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TechMechMeds
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:07:00 -
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I can't believe you don't know considering you have played as long as me or longer if you was in closed beta. I'm not sure who started pointing out the FACT but you should know seriously, are you trying to troll?
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:10:00 -
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In fact, use the regular ar or mlt, see how you can unload a whole clip without much kick, now do that with a duvolle and see how you have to stop every 15 ish shots to steady your aim.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:21:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:In fact, use the regular ar or mlt, see how you can unload a whole clip without much kick, now do that with a duvolle and see how you have to stop every 15 ish shots to steady your aim. I've heard this countless of times, but never saw proof, and it was always unknown randoms that if asked nobody could tell whey they were.
Well I'm not a random, there are many social circles in dust.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:22:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:Who ever said it is right, AR gets tweaked here and there silently as tonot **** off AR users, I have used AR's since the begining of closed Beta. At current YES The BPO AR is more Accurate and kicks less, and YES the Duvole has more recoil and kicks more making it less accurate. The Duvole DOES have more range and damage of course making it a deadly weapon anyway. To say this is a myth is stupidity, its very true no matter what the stats on the actual gun say. Stealth nerfs are annoying but its somthing AR users should be used to.
There you go.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:29:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:STABBEY wrote:Who ever said it is right, AR gets tweaked here and there silently as tonot **** off AR users, I have used AR's since the begining of closed Beta. At current YES The BPO AR is more Accurate and kicks less, and YES the Duvole has more recoil and kicks more making it less accurate. The Duvole DOES have more range and damage of course making it a deadly weapon anyway. To say this is a myth is stupidity, its very true no matter what the stats on the actual gun say. Stealth nerfs are annoying but its somthing AR users should be used to. I just compared the two, side by side, using a black eagle suit to quickly switch between the two. They behave the same. Also, dispersion is lower between the tiers.
Maybe you will actually notice it while shooting at someone provided your not just denying it and honestly haven't noticed it.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:34:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:In Chromosome it was true... Now it just simply isn't true.
Hence the death of the 'exile' on every merc's fitting list.
You must be trolling.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:41:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Cat Merc wrote:STABBEY wrote:Who ever said it is right, AR gets tweaked here and there silently as tonot **** off AR users, I have used AR's since the begining of closed Beta. At current YES The BPO AR is more Accurate and kicks less, and YES the Duvole has more recoil and kicks more making it less accurate. The Duvole DOES have more range and damage of course making it a deadly weapon anyway. To say this is a myth is stupidity, its very true no matter what the stats on the actual gun say. Stealth nerfs are annoying but its somthing AR users should be used to. I just compared the two, side by side, using a black eagle suit to quickly switch between the two. They behave the same. Also, dispersion is lower between the tiers. Maybe you will actually notice it while shooting at someone provided your not just denying it and honestly haven't noticed it. It just doesn't exist. I kept both AR's aimed at the same place. Fired a full mag and saw where it was aimed when one's recoil was done. Then switched to the other using R2 to see where the other was done. I could not tell the difference, they both ended in the same place within margin of error. (Sometimes duvolle kicked less, sometimes Toxin kicked less, but it was 50/50)
Thats crazy because I use my toxin for the fact its has basically no recoil compared to the duvolle and slightly less than a gek making every single shot land almost guaranteed. I use it specifically against duvolle users as I can keep the iron sight on them for longer than they possibly can on me as well. Works a charm.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:45:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
Thats crazy because I use my toxin for the fact its has basically no recoil compared to the duvolle and slightly less than a gek making every single shot land almost guaranteed. I use it specifically against duvolle users as I can keep the iron sight on them for longer than they possibly can on me as well. Works a charm.
Placebo most likely.
Riiiight, you are denying it, understood.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:46:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:This was made more obvious after 1.2 and after a week of playing with each rifle BPO+Proto I asked CCP about it, this change did happen and is still in effect.
CCP's response when I asked about this topic:
Hello,
Thank you for contacting DUST 514 Customer Support.
Yes we can see that you have high level of Assault rifle skills.
We are constantly making a change to find the best possible balance for our players.
The current setting may not be necessarily how it is going to be in the future.
If you strongly feel something need to change, please visit the link provided below to file a proper feedback report because our development team is checking the page constantly to improve the game play in DUST 514.
Please scroll down to find Feedback/Request.
Best Regards,
GM Avantgarde
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
This.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:48:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
Thats crazy because I use my toxin for the fact its has basically no recoil compared to the duvolle and slightly less than a gek making every single shot land almost guaranteed. I use it specifically against duvolle users as I can keep the iron sight on them for longer than they possibly can on me as well. Works a charm.
Placebo most likely. Riiiight, you are denying it, understood. Maybe you were denying that you were wrong all along after side by side comparison?
Not at all, stabbey even showed evidence, I'm fine with being wrong when I'm wrong.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 17:51:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
Thats crazy because I use my toxin for the fact its has basically no recoil compared to the duvolle and slightly less than a gek making every single shot land almost guaranteed. I use it specifically against duvolle users as I can keep the iron sight on them for longer than they possibly can on me as well. Works a charm.
Placebo most likely. Riiiight, you are denying it, understood. Maybe you were denying that you were wrong all along after side by side comparison? Shooting at a wall is a bad test, you need to actually play 2-5 games with the BPO shooting at actual people in combat normally, Then do that with the Proto. Of course you see no difference shooting a wall.. ITS A DAMNED WALL lol Play normal for your expirement 
He doesn't even notice, I am baffled completely because he's not a nub either.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:14:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:There could be a difference for Cat and me because I have all AR skills maxed out and have for months. Maybe it is different for him then it is me, but with ALL skills maxed playing hundreds of games with both I can see and feel the difference. I've never used any other main weapon, people that use multiple weapons may just not notice it.
I use the toxin for the reduced kick allowing for prolonged shots fired on target with no re adjustment, nah cat has maxed skills as well. Its just another post stating how it is that gets denied based on, well, a supposed test thats apparently more valid than your confirmation from CCP which shouldn't have been needed as its obvious anyway lol.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:18:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP wrote:Cat Merc wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:
He doesn't even notice, I am baffled completely because he's not a nub either.
Limiting the amount of factors affecting the test is a #1 priority when doing such tests. In combat there are too many factors that could skew the results. You guys need a crash test dummy like the HMG video has. I am currently trying to think of a way to more accurately test it, and then record it.
Just video a match with a duvolle then a match with a mlt or regular ar, making sure you are holding down the fire button as long as possible so its clear how easily you can keep more shots on target due to reduced recoil on the mlt or regular ar, I could use my phone but the quality sucks and it seems ridiculous to me you can't notice it when you have even tested it yourself lol. Shocking.
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