Why on earth would you want to be forced into pairing weapons with suits just to get the most out of them?

This game lets you create all sorts of ingenious varieties of fits. Finding an interesting way of using a suit's bonus encourages us to be creative. Limiting those bonuses to a specific suit & rifle combo just turns us into generic footsoldiers.

But the racial has 5 highs which allows you to go 2 Complex DMG plus 1 Complex DMG sidearm along with your 100 rounds SMG or 4 shot per clip Flaylock.

Doesnt seem that bad.

Yes i agree i think that every assault suit should get a bonus related to the racial weapon tech. Since the Rail and Combat rifle will be introduced soon I don't see a problem with doing this. They perhaps didn't do this at first because if you think about it:

If you were a minnie assault with a bonus to CR but if the CR wasn't out you would get a bonus to a non-existent weapon.

This won't be the case soon and I would think this would change with updates or even hot-fixes if able. The bonus minmatar have with SMG somewhat reflects this concept but now that the CR will be released then it should be changed to perhaps a bonus to clip size of the Combat Rifle?? I not sure what the caldari bonus would be but of course it should be related to the Rail Rifle. Hopefully this will be changed within reasonable time.

I'd like to see all assault suits get a not quite direct damage boost to their racial weapons (laser heat build up, projectile clip size, plasma reload?, rail range?).

And then add in another assault type suit with a generic bonus (shield amount?, shield recharge/delay, armour amount, armour rep, speed, etc).

Yes and no,

The Caldari assault should get a reduction to spool up time (all light rail weapons should have spool up time)

The Amarr is good,


The other two are harder to come by, light projectile weapon clip for minmatar might work, not sure for the gallente.

While I understand your complaint, I'd like to direct you to the M209. 100 rounds with this thing deals a world of hurt.

I would love to have a minni assault dropsuit for my AV fit. Proto swarms in prime slot. Proto assault scram pistol in sidearm(With much need ammo boost). f*ck up tanks and infantry in all match.

But besides that, the bonus does suck.

With just a 0.2 spool up time on the rail rifle, that bonus would be almost useless.

How about a reduction in damage falloff for rail weapons? It would technically be boosting range (fitting for the caldari) but won't actually add any range to the gun.

A reload bonus to plasma weapons seems fitting for the Gallente.

An increase to projectile weapon clip capacity seems fitting. Especially since Jagerblitzen said clip capacity was the biggest hinderance to the combat rifle.

I'm not saying that there has to be something to force you to play that way. The Amarr weapons, for example, are perfectly usable without the Assault or Heavy's skill bonuses. Using the suit gives you further bonuses to those weapons, but doesn't break them. The other suits have a series of eclectic at best skills. How many times have you taken advantage of larger Sidearm clips? At least the Caldari and Gallente have skills that match up their racial somewhat to their suit, with Gallente getting a discount to PG usage of Hybrids, while Caldari get to jump back into the fray faster with a smaller Shield Recharge frame. The Minmatar one gives no real bonus to combat unless you handicap yourself into using sidearms as your main weaponry.

So, to copy your phrasing. Why on Earth would you be against pairing weapons and suits for actually useful bonuses?

That is nice, but wouldn't you rather get more shots for a primary weapon? Or if the bonus I'd prefer (bigger clips on projectile weapons) goes through, it would effect SMGs and the CR. Plus, ask yourself how many times you have to fire past the weapon's natural clip threshold. That tells you how much you depend on the suit bonus. If it isn't that often...

To start, I answered that final question in my first response.

Of course the weapons are viable outside the suits that boost their performance. That's not the issue. The issue is giving someone a bonus that they can't use just because they didn't want to play the way someone else told them to.

The shield bonus for Caldari is great because they already have excellent shield stats, and anyone picking that suit does so for that reason. Similarly the sidearm bonus is effective because not only does nearly everybody field a sidearm, but because the Minmatar suit is the most likely to be in the kind of CQC battles where a reload can cost you your life.

These are versatile bonuses. They apply whether you're running with a sniper or a mass driver or anything in between.
A great example is Taz 666. He has his swarm launcher maxed out, and his SMG is viable as a primary. He hasn't abided by some pre-conceived notion of what his suit should have equipped, rather he has found a way to make the suit's bonus perfectly compliment his playstyle.

Now think about those Gallente who run a scrambler rifle. It's an amazing setup to behold, but because it doesn't fit into the racial purity you want to establish, the setup gets nothing. In fact it gets worse than nothing. It loses out on a bonus for not playing the game the way you wanted it to.

I think this idea undermines one of the core concepts of Dust.

I agree with that, but I would increase the spool up time to something like .4 or .5,

Damage fall off is a good a good substitute though

There's other sidearms, and more coming as well like the Magsec SMG and Ion Pistol. If the bonus affected total clip size for ScR Pistols instead of base clip size, it could very well be one of the best assault racial bonuses in the game.

craziest title to a thread ever.

Didn't feel like gussying it up as some huge problem that everyone hates. Just stated the truth. Although the whole bonuses thing will be something that effects everyone eventually, as long as CCP holds on the no-respec thing.

[quote=Chunky Munkey]

1. Your speech is nice, but you're simply misunderstanding something.

DUST is about 'customization' as is EVE, but there are obviously better fits here or there, and each ship has bonuses for its equipment. All the bonuses we have in DUST are placeholders. Whether you like them or not, most of them are changing once they fix some bug in the code that prevents them from doing so. Your whole 'We should be able to make whatever we want' schtick is valid, but it is just as valid as my 'Suits should have bonuses towards their racial attributes.

2. Secondly, you're little 'racial purity' line is laughable. Gals with ScRs already exist, and they're already missing out on the Amarr Assault bonus. Are you implying that you don't want the Amarr Assault to have that bonus, or that I am wrong for liking it? It makes sense for the suits to be better with their races guns. The suits were designed to use them. Ignoring that just to cry foul over what damage this would do to 'customization' is fruitless and uneducated.

3. Should I ask CCP to remove all the racial turret and tanking bonuses off of EVE ships because it promotes using that race's turrets above all others? Should we ask them to remove the Amarr Assault's bonus because it promotes the use of Amarr weaponry on an Amarr suit?

4. One symptom of this is the Logistics 'problem. The whole reason Logistics suits are such proficient killers is due to the lack of decent racial bonuses. If the only thing deciding how good a suit is is it's fitting, why not pick the suit with the biggest and best slot assignment? You even get equipment slots on the side!

5. The core concept of DUST is EVE on foot. Stop defending useless bonuses for no other reason than preventing good bonuses from effecting suit builds. It would be laughable if I couldn't tell you weren't serious. Especially thanks to that Scrambler Rifle line. Now it's just sad.

craziest title to a thread ever.