Why on earth would you want to be forced into pairing weapons with suits just to get the most out of them?

This game lets you create all sorts of ingenious varieties of fits. Finding an interesting way of using a suit's bonus encourages us to be creative. Limiting those bonuses to a specific suit & rifle combo just turns us into generic footsoldiers.

But the racial has 5 highs which allows you to go 2 Complex DMG plus 1 Complex DMG sidearm along with your 100 rounds SMG or 4 shot per clip Flaylock.

Doesnt seem that bad.

Yes i agree i think that every assault suit should get a bonus related to the racial weapon tech. Since the Rail and Combat rifle will be introduced soon I don't see a problem with doing this. They perhaps didn't do this at first because if you think about it:

If you were a minnie assault with a bonus to CR but if the CR wasn't out you would get a bonus to a non-existent weapon.

This won't be the case soon and I would think this would change with updates or even hot-fixes if able. The bonus minmatar have with SMG somewhat reflects this concept but now that the CR will be released then it should be changed to perhaps a bonus to clip size of the Combat Rifle?? I not sure what the caldari bonus would be but of course it should be related to the Rail Rifle. Hopefully this will be changed within reasonable time.

While I understand your complaint, I'd like to direct you to the M209. 100 rounds with this thing deals a world of hurt.

To start, I answered that final question in my first response.

Of course the weapons are viable outside the suits that boost their performance. That's not the issue. The issue is giving someone a bonus that they can't use just because they didn't want to play the way someone else told them to.

The shield bonus for Caldari is great because they already have excellent shield stats, and anyone picking that suit does so for that reason. Similarly the sidearm bonus is effective because not only does nearly everybody field a sidearm, but because the Minmatar suit is the most likely to be in the kind of CQC battles where a reload can cost you your life.

These are versatile bonuses. They apply whether you're running with a sniper or a mass driver or anything in between.
A great example is Taz 666. He has his swarm launcher maxed out, and his SMG is viable as a primary. He hasn't abided by some pre-conceived notion of what his suit should have equipped, rather he has found a way to make the suit's bonus perfectly compliment his playstyle.

Now think about those Gallente who run a scrambler rifle. It's an amazing setup to behold, but because it doesn't fit into the racial purity you want to establish, the setup gets nothing. In fact it gets worse than nothing. It loses out on a bonus for not playing the game the way you wanted it to.

I think this idea undermines one of the core concepts of Dust.

There's other sidearms, and more coming as well like the Magsec SMG and Ion Pistol. If the bonus affected total clip size for ScR Pistols instead of base clip size, it could very well be one of the best assault racial bonuses in the game.

craziest title to a thread ever.

ITT- people who need to use their side arms more. Pistols and SMGs will eat your silly little ARs alive indoors friends.

I've numbered your arguments to make this easier.

1. Saying "CCP have done it before, therefore they should do it again." Is not an argument in favour of anything.

2. Yes Gals with ScRs already exist. That's my point. You want to penalise people for picking the weapon they want and the suit they want. Those GalScRs are all logis from what I've seen, because the Assault forces them to use weapons they don't want.

3. This isn't EVE. No matter how much you want it to be.

4. Your idea would only exacerbate this problem. A person will pick a suit they want, but will see that the assault version tells them to use a rifle they don't. So what will they do? They'll choose logistics instead, to get a similar suit with more versatility and perhaps even a bonus they can use.

5. This is classic projection: I'm not defending useless bonuses, you are. All Caldari Assaults benefit from their bonus. All Minmatar Assaults benefit from theirs. You're the one defending bonuses that will be unusable by a large portion of the community.

I'm calling for suit bonuses that play to the strengths of the suits. Freeing it up to the player how to best utilise them.
You're calling for AR 514 to be expanded upon, and rolled out universally.

You know, this is actually a very good point. For all those light-on-content patches we've been getting as of late, 1.5 and 1.6, for examples, changing the suit bonuses would have been an EXCELLENT "filler" for these patches that would have had a tremendously positive impact in the game. Changes like having a Gallente assault suit NOT have a bonus related to shields would go far in satiating the players' desires for a more racially-reflective game.

In fact, if we are to have future light-on-content patches in 1.8 and beyond (nothing confirmed, just speculating), then adjusting racial suit bonuses is one of those things that can be done where there doesn't need to be shiny new things but still has a very real effect and impact on the game.

The Min Assault is suited for flanking in for CQC just as the bonus suggests. Side arms beat just about any light weapon in CQC. It's a tankier scout. I also run scout mk.0 which has a very specific bonus to, again, a side arm. Minnie's are CQC. They're not meant to excel in long range engagements.

In my opinion the bonus allows you make weapons like the scrambler pistol into a more viable main, the SMG into a baby HMG, and the flaylock... well, the flaylock sucks but if it didn't it would make it great as well. Just because the bonus does not make a light weapon better doesn't make it useless. It increases your overall potential damage output before having to reload. That is an offensive skill that no other suit has. It gives you a massive advantage offensively within 15 to 20m.

While the Amarr suit's complement their specific weaponry which I'm sure is nice I am quite happy with my bonus and would be very displeased if it changed.

OOOOOOOOOH! I have the little square thing on my avatar picture on my last post, and I still have no damn clue what the hell it means.

Giving each assault suit a bonus to their respective racial weapons would go a long way in defining the assault's role. So long as the bonus isn't a direct increase to damage.
While the heavies could have bonuses to extenders and plates.

Forced is a harsh word.
My friend uses an SCR with a Gal Logi, and to extreme effect.
But the Amarr Assault elevates it further.

Skip the patronising.
You want to limit the diversity of a game that tries to encourage it.

If you want to run a light weapon on your Minny Assault, you can. More importantly you can run ANY light weapon, without any worry of inadvertently gimping yourself. As I said before, the nature of the suit is the most likely of the four to utilise a sidearm. As such, the bonus benefits the suit, rather than any particular weapon. Leaving it up to you to find a way to enjoy or capitalise upon it.

This is why people want armour bonuses for the Gallente. Because even without any bonuses, it is thought of as the armour tanking suit, even though personally I think of it as the suit with the low slots.
Another reason I'm relatively comfortable with the Amarr Assault bonus is that, as we can see from these forums, the Amarr are the most popular for role-play. So equipping them with Amarr weapons is much more common.

What you want is to implement a rule of role-play-or-else. All assault suits filling the same role, and penalising them when they don't adhere. You cannot say the same for what I am advocating.

Sooo if I play in an amarr suit, I am FORCED to play with either a scrambler or laser rifle, because otherwise it won't be as effective?

Now I understand the lore behind, and eve logistics behind it! But if you were to do it, it would need to be incredibly subtle, enough that you aren't forced to match them!

Now in the amarr example the current bonus works well, it doesn't actually increase mag size, it just allows you to fire for longer periods of time!

So if you are gonna do it, don't over do it. And make it a racial weapon bonus so you have 3 perks a suit!

I'm just going to stop replying to you after this Zero.
This is not Eve. Just because these are the kinds of bonuses in one game is not good justification for putting them in another.
I've been over this three times already. You don't seem to be responding to the points I'm making about the gameplay implications, just repeating the same adherence to an inconsequential pattern.