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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.09 16:32:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Maybe 1.8?
It only makes sense.
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Samoset Detrium
G.R.A.V.E
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Posted - 2013.12.09 16:46:00 -
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With assault rifles as they stand anyways, at the proto level vs. similar tiered opposite weaponry, the Single Shot Scrambler Rifle is far more deadly than the normal one. Even if its more effective vs shields than armor, and the assault rifle vice versa, With a base damage above 70 per shot compared to the Duvolle's 37.4, That thing still puts out more damage than the damage modded plus Prof. V assault rifle, I wouldn't be surprised if that were still true when it comes to the Balac's Gar Officers AR. Ive run the math on my own Duvolle with mods.
Duvolle Assault Rifle:
37.4 Dam per Shot
1 Enhanced Damage mod. 5%
Prof III for 9%
14% total.
That rounds out to 43 damage per shot
With full Prof and complex mods
15% to Prof V
2 Complex for 16% ((?))
31% total
That rounds out to 49 Dam per Shot.
That's still a big gap even if we say Scramblers are at 72 dam per shot
Not to mention when we have players who have great aim and a good trigger finger to boot.
The only drawback to not firing fast for them would be the heatbuild up or even feedback damage if they get overzealous.
Any decent player who works with this in mind can still be able to not crosh that threshold easily, they will watch their finger and their aim and make their shots count.
Even with the penalty to armor, that still puts AR's at a high disadvantage when it comes to fighting against a SR. not to mention the SR is more accurate than the Assault because there is no recoil from continuous fire, none that I have experienced myself anyways when I tried out the SR.
Just putting this out there.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.09 16:49:00 -
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Pretty much every weapon and suit is balanced at standard, it's the bonuses and slot layout that pushes some things into the OP territory.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
SoonGäó514
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Marlin Kirby
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RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.09 16:51:00 -
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I also want to note that the Amarr arguably has the worst militia med-frame suit in the game. It can't repair itself.
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Tallen Ellecon
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RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.09 18:04:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:I also want to note that the Amarr arguably has the worst militia med-frame suit in the game. It can't repair itself.
Really? No lows? Damn.
The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
SoonGäó514
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Marlin Kirby
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RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.09 18:11:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:I also want to note that the Amarr arguably has the worst militia med-frame suit in the game. It can't repair itself. Really? No lows? Damn.
Nope. So the argument that giving the militia suit their faction weapon would make the Amarr suits OP simply isn't true.
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Chief-Shotty
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.12.10 00:10:00 -
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Yes starter fits should have their racial weapon variant and be introduced to some of the racial combat philosophy. However you have to remember not only do militia variants have a lower clip size but they come with an increased cpu/pg cost compared to the standard variant. I think depending on the weapon some suits may not have the cpu/pg resource to be able to wield them in the starter fit. Remember new players wont have any SP invested into core skills, could potentially create a cpu/pg bump to all suits and tiers.
Trust in the Rust!
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J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.10 01:55:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Can you make the new rifles the new default weapons on the starter fits for the non Gallente players? I think if we want the 4 rifles to have a balance we need to start having new players have an equal opportunity to try different ones. Similarly can the sidearms on the default suits also be racially based (when the new Ga and Ca pistols are released)? In Eve the race doesn't limit your choices, but it does introduce you to certain ships and weapons first depending on your race.
Over time this could make it much more likely that there will be a little more balance in rifle variants. People are just starting to warm up to the Scrambler rifle, it would be nice if it replaced the AR on the Amarr starter suits.
Agreed
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
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Posted - 2013.12.10 01:56:00 -
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Imagine if this were introduced
Ccp could make the academy battles mim vs amarr cal vs gal or cal amarr vs gal mimnatar
I just think it would help newbs a bit with finding how deep eve lore is
A bunch of newberries wondering why all the other players are usong different weapons and look different
Christ is lord
Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now.
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:00:00 -
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First we need Militia variants of all of them.
I'd also like a militia variant of the laser rifle and mass driver. Don't see why there is a problem with having them.
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.12.10 11:28:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:We only have two light anti-armor weapons right now and one of them is terrible and isn't very fast or guided.
You're talking about the Plasma Cannon? You are talking about the Plasma Cannon. It isn't AV. Read the description, it says Anti-Infantry. It's not fast guided because it's CQC. Gallente Tech is not hard to understand, guys! (Sorry for the hate, but it seriously looks like I have to remind the community that the Plasma Cannon does its job fine every week)
Anyways: +1 to OP, he's got good ideas. :D
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Timothy Reaper
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.12.10 11:33:00 -
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+1 and bump.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.10 13:42:00 -
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Artificer Ghost wrote:Marlin Kirby wrote:We only have two light anti-armor weapons right now and one of them is terrible and isn't very fast or guided. You're talking about the Plasma Cannon? You are talking about the Plasma Cannon. It isn't AV. Read the description, it says Anti-Infantry. It's not fast guided because it's CQC. Gallente Tech is not hard to understand, guys! (Sorry for the hate, but it seriously looks like I have to remind the community that the Plasma Cannon does its job fine every week) Anyways: +1 to OP, he's got good ideas. :D
Yes, I was talking about the PLC. I thought it worked like the traditional RPG. It only makes sense from appearance.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.29 08:49:00 -
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*cough*
Tarn chose peace. Tallen chose war. Where is my Gallente sidearm?
SoonGäó514
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Stephen Seneca
Providence Guard
Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2013.12.30 01:54:00 -
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So, this post is on life support. Lets bring it back, it makes too much sense to euthanize. Personally would like to see frontline/medic/AV/sniper militia fits of all races available to everyone regardless of race. You will be able to get a taste of a variety of weapons right away as a new player and would improve the experience.
That would be alot of fits, so call them Frontline - A/C/G/M and introduce customizable folders into the fitting menu.
Again, this is a must.
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Keep your stick on the ice and get the pucks in deep, eh.
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.09 11:13:00 -
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*clears throat*
Tarn chose peace. Tallen chose war. Where is my Gallente sidearm?
SoonGäó514
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Kovinis Sparagas
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.09 11:22:00 -
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I agree and support this stuff
I support BPO removal;
RDV to take your vehicles back;
and racial weapons on starter fits
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.13 08:13:00 -
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1.8?
Tarn chose peace. Tallen chose war. Where is my Gallente sidearm?
SoonGäó514
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.13 15:24:00 -
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I think you need to change the title.
The not Logic Bomb!
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bogeyman m
Learning Coalition College
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Posted - 2014.01.14 23:33:00 -
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Chief-Shotty wrote:Yes starter fits should have their racial weapon variant and be introduced to some of the racial combat philosophy. However you have to remember not only do militia variants have a lower clip size but they come with an increased cpu/pg cost compared to the standard variant. I think depending on the weapon some suits may not have the cpu/pg resource to be able to wield them in the starter fit. Remember new players wont have any SP invested into core skills, could potentially create a cpu/pg bump to all suits and tiers.
Agreed. But it stands to reason that any racial specific technology would be designed by/for that race. As such, all racial weapons should be *slightly* easier to use by said race, making racial suit/eqyipment/weapon optimization easier. |
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
DUST University
Ivy League
114
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Posted - 2014.01.15 00:40:00 -
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I don't see the harm in this.
As part of this, there should be a push for at least a short and long range racial side arm and heavy weapon, too. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.15 06:40:00 -
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bogeyman m wrote:
Agreed. But it stands to reason that any racial specific technology would be designed by/for that race. As such, all racial weapons should be *slightly* easier to use by said race, making racial suit/eqyipment/weapon optimization easier.
No SP should be pre spent for any character. No race should give have an inherent bonus. If an optional tutorial wants to guide a character by giving them free books towards a particular race or weapon that's fine.
All we need are the free starter suits that are unique to every race already have unique weapons as well.
Where is my Gallente sidearm?
SoonGäó514
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.15 15:24:00 -
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To be honest, I'm curious as to why we don't have every militia weapon yet.
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:40:00 -
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We don't have this yet?
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.17 16:07:00 -
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Updated
Where is my Gallente sidearm?
SoonGäó514
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.17 23:48:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Updated
I second this update.
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Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
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Posted - 2014.01.18 00:47:00 -
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We still don't have full sets, we still have quite a lot of holes even with the new additions
Frontline Plasma Rifle/ *Missing*
AV: PLC/ *Missing*
Medic Plasma Rifle/ Ion Pistol
Sniper *Missing*/ Ion Pistol
Frontline: Scr Rifle/ *Missing*
AV: *Missing*/ *Missing*
Medic: Scr Rifle/ *Missing*
Sniper: Laser Rifle?/ *Missing*
Frontline: Rail Rifle/ Magsec
AV: Swarm Launcher/ Magsec
Medic: Rail Rifle/ Bolt Pistol
Sniper: Sniper Rifle/ Bolt Pistol
Frontline:Combat Rifle/ SMG
AV: *Missing*/ SMG
Medic: Combat Rifle/ *Missing*
Sniper: *Missing*/ *Missing* |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.31 20:34:00 -
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Asha Starwind wrote:We still don't have full sets, we still have quite a lot of holes even with the new additions. Doesn't make sense to do it with sommany missing racials
Gallente
Frontline Plasma Rifle/ *Missing*
AV: PLC/ *Missing*
Medic Plasma Rifle/ Ion Pistol
Sniper *Missing*/ Ion Pistol
Amarr
Frontline: Scr Rifle/ *Missing*
AV: *Missing*/ *Missing*
Medic: Scr Rifle/ Scr Pistol
Sniper: Laser Rifle?/ Scr Pistol
Caldari
Frontline: Rail Rifle/ Magsec
AV: Swarm Launcher/ Magsec
Medic: Rail Rifle/ Bolt Pistol
Sniper: Sniper Rifle/ Bolt Pistol
Minmatar
Frontline:Combat Rifle/ SMG
AV: *Missing*/ SMG
Medic: Combat Rifle/ Flaylock
Sniper: *Missing*/ Flaylock
Great!!!
Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514
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Emperor1349
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.02 02:12:00 -
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bump
If you have a poor gun game no proto suit can help you.
If you have a good gun game no proto suit is needed.
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Marlin Kirby
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.04.02 02:55:00 -
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Seven weapons to go.
I guess it's going to take another year at this rate.
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