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CharCharOdell
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:47:00 -
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Let's assume 18 mil of my 22 mil SP is in tanks. We all know I'm getting that refunded. Wouldnt the infantry like a respec, too?
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Vegetation Monster
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
66
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:49:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Let's assume 18 mil of my 22 mil SP is in tanks. We all know I'm getting that refunded. Wouldnt the infantry like a respec, too?
yeah give infantry a chance to spec into tank and give them a respec..
jk, i just want to go with the fotm.
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1784
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:52:00 -
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Yes, let's all spec into Gallente Assault, assault rifles and prototype nanohives.
AKA: Rees Noturana https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
854
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:55:00 -
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talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right.
don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be.  |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:57:00 -
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You got a point I think. What if most of tankers just say screw tanks, and go infantry. We could have Fotm wave any way the SP is reimbursed.
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CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
7497
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:57:00 -
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low genius wrote:talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right. don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be.
A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it.
THE TERROR!!
Fan Fiction
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
1388
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:05:00 -
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Will all the points from vehicles be refunded? Or just the ones for assault dropships and what not? |
EternalRMG
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
583
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:10:00 -
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This is the biggest content update so far, so i thinl that we deserve a full respec one last time
and if you give us a respec or not people are going to spec on the ftm anyways
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Duster Since: July 2012
Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
415
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:13:00 -
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People, please understand that FOTM will happen with or without the respec. The time constant of the FOTM is just larger when you train it the regular way. People right now are giving up heavies and specing into medium frsmes because heavies are broken.
A respec can save this game.
#rescuedust514
#respecsdoesnotequalfotm
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CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1266
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:13:00 -
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They won't be able to justify anything else than a full respec.
For starters all vehicles will be revamped entirely. AV is getting nerfed as well, meaning that some people might want that SP elsewhere.
The AV changes might not warrant a respec by itself, but coupled with the vehicle revamp it's just best with a full respec.
Some people say that only SP invested into vehicles should be refunded. I seriously fail to see how that even makes remotely sense. Vehicles will be quite different after these changes and some people might want to skill into them. Without a full respec they can't. Yes, choices should have consequences, but these people spent their SP at a time where vehicles were different than they will be now.
Another thing is, why should vehicle pilots get the option to skill out of vehicles when infantry people can't skill into vehicles? This wouldn't make any sense. The only way it would was if vehicle pilots weren't allowed to spend their refunded SP anywhere but in vehicles. Again, choices have consequences, so once a vehicle pilot always a vehicle pilot, except for the fact that vehicles will be in a very different state and vehicle pilots might not have skilled into them in the first place knowing this.
To sum it up, vehicles especially, but other things as well such as AV, will be in a different state than before and the "choices have consequences" can't be applied in this situation. Therefore a full respec to everyone is the best and most fair solution.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
415
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:19:00 -
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Alsp, CCP has confirmed that some kind of respec mechanic is going to be implemented in the long term. A fps cant be good without some kind of respec in the long term to make the game feel fresh.
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:20:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:low genius wrote:talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right. don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be. A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it. THE TERROR!!
It didn't help last time and it won't help this time. Refunding points doesn't make the game any more interesting or fun. If they refund all SP the same posts begging for more respecs will be up in a month because they didn't understand what they were doing, CCP tweaked something, some thing is OP/UP, noobs don't have a chance and the classic-I want to have more fun with a different gun. It will not be more fun because the game needs content not a wasted effort to pacify QQers.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:22:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote: A fps cant be good without some kind of respec in the long term to make the game feel fresh.
How is that?
It is getting to the point of craziness now. Please explain how refunded SP will make the game more fun or interesting?
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:23:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Alsp, CCP has confirmed that some kind of respec mechanic is going to be implemented in the long term.
Where did you read this? I don't ever remember seeing this.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:24:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:This is the biggest content update so far, so i thinl that we deserve a full respec one last time
and if you give us a respec or not people are going to spec on the ftm anyways
So in a year when there is twice as many suits and weapons will you need another respec?
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1243
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:24:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:You got a point I think. What if most of tankers just say screw tanks, and go infantry. We could have Fotm wave any way the SP is reimbursed.
how could 0.1% of the player base cause a fotm wave?
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
416
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:26:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:low genius wrote:talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right. don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be. A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it. THE TERROR!! It didn't help last time and it won't help this time. Refunding points doesn't make the game any more interesting or fun. If they refund all SP the same posts begging for more respecs will be up in a month because they didn't understand what they were doing, CCP tweaked something, some thing is OP/UP, noobs don't have a chance and the classic-I want to have more fun with a different gun. It will not be more fun because the game needs content not a wasted effort to pacify QQers.
Im repeating myself to make myself clear: This game is still in beta, we would not see fixes on core mechanics still if it wasnt.
Big changes to the game in 1.6, even bigger in 1.7 than uprising 1.0.
CCP has confirmed respec mechanic on dust 514 round table at EVE vegas 2013.
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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Needless Sacermendor
Red Fox Brigade
576
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:26:00 -
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You've also got to throw in an ISK items buyback if you're going to offer full respecs ... stocks of vehicles are no use if you're speccing out of them, nor are stacks of proto dropsuits if you're going into vehicles.
Personally I'm against respecs, reallocation is the fairest way to deal with racial variants of suits and weapons ... and the changes to the skill tree for vehicles was completely unnecessary ... all these 'windows of opportunity' could have been achieved with very minor changes to the skill tree we have, with the addition of some ammo skills and offset by some reduction in other areas with reimbursement of those skills that are reduced in cost. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:26:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:People, please understand that FOTM will happen with or without the respec. The time constant of the FOTM is just larger when you train it the regular way. People right now are giving up heavies and specing into medium frsmes because heavies are broken.
A respec can save this game.
#rescuedust514
#respecsdoesnotequalfotm
Define how the game will be saved with refunded SP. The game will be exactly the same and most will do the same thing they are doing now. CONTENT, CONTENT, CONTENT and MORE CONTENT will be the only thing that saves the game.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:low genius wrote:talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right. don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be. A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it. THE TERROR!!
Doubt it. It will not change anything about how people make choices and the game is constantly changing. Offering respecs is a pipe dream that makes you feel better for a while but doesn't address the real problem of the game being bland.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2113
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:30:00 -
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What about them, unless a class or subclass is being removed or greatly changed I see no problem.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 2
A grunt of STB
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:30:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:low genius wrote:talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right. don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be. A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it. THE TERROR!! It didn't help last time and it won't help this time. Refunding points doesn't make the game any more interesting or fun. If they refund all SP the same posts begging for more respecs will be up in a month because they didn't understand what they were doing, CCP tweaked something, some thing is OP/UP, noobs don't have a chance and the classic-I want to have more fun with a different gun. It will not be more fun because the game needs content not a wasted effort to pacify QQers. Im repeating myself to make myself clear: This game is still in beta, we would not see fixes on core mechanics still if it wasnt. Big changes to the game in 1.6, even bigger in 1.7 than uprising 1.0. CCP has confirmed respec mechanic on dust 514 round table at EVE vegas 2013.
Yeah because no other game in the history of time has released and changed.
It is not in Beta because the developers says its not. I say you are 14 but that doesn't make me right just like what you say doesn't make the game a beta.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
416
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:30:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:People, please understand that FOTM will happen with or without the respec. The time constant of the FOTM is just larger when you train it the regular way. People right now are giving up heavies and specing into medium frsmes because heavies are broken.
A respec can save this game.
#rescuedust514
#respecsdoesnotequalfotm Define how the game will be saved with refunded SP. The game will be exactly the same and most will do the same thing they are doing now. CONTENT, CONTENT, CONTENT and MORE CONTENT will be the only thing that saves the game.
And how to get the opportunity to choose between every racial dropsuit in the game when the skills in the skill tree still are so specialized? Respecs until skill tree is revamped somehow.
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1784
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:32:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:People, please understand that FOTM will happen with or without the respec. The time constant of the FOTM is just larger when you train it the regular way. People right now are giving up heavies and specing into medium frsmes because heavies are broken.
A respec can save this game.
#rescuedust514
#respecsdoesnotequalfotm Define how the game will be saved with refunded SP. The game will be exactly the same and most will do the same thing they are doing now. CONTENT, CONTENT, CONTENT and MORE CONTENT will be the only thing that saves the game.
Content is king. Unfortunately, we'll have to listen to half the players complain that they can't be prototype in new suits and weapons on the very first day without a respec. Let's just ignore the fact that the drive to achieve something new is critical. Let's just give it to everyone without any effort.
AKA: Rees Noturana https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:32:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:You got a point I think. What if most of tankers just say screw tanks, and go infantry. We could have Fotm wave any way the SP is reimbursed. how could 0.1% of the player base cause a fotm wave?
Same way 1% get a respec.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
416
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:36:00 -
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Content is king. For example if a tech 2 dropsuit is releaded so that you can continue specializing into an assault frame. Basic content is the foundation of the game. That foundation cannot be what we see today? If so, how could we ever make well informed decisions for our future merc careers?
Grind is not king.
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:36:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:People, please understand that FOTM will happen with or without the respec. The time constant of the FOTM is just larger when you train it the regular way. People right now are giving up heavies and specing into medium frsmes because heavies are broken.
A respec can save this game.
#rescuedust514
#respecsdoesnotequalfotm Define how the game will be saved with refunded SP. The game will be exactly the same and most will do the same thing they are doing now. CONTENT, CONTENT, CONTENT and MORE CONTENT will be the only thing that saves the game. And how to get the opportunity to choose between every racial dropsuit in the game when the skills in the skill tree still are so specialized? Respecs until skill tree is revamped somehow.
This game will NEVER stop changing, what don't you people understand. This is how CCP works and how the game is. You do understand that specialization means you specialize in something? That means that you spend you time and SP doing the same thing, if you don't want to specialize then don't and spread your SP around.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:37:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:People, please understand that FOTM will happen with or without the respec. The time constant of the FOTM is just larger when you train it the regular way. People right now are giving up heavies and specing into medium frsmes because heavies are broken.
A respec can save this game.
#rescuedust514
#respecsdoesnotequalfotm Define how the game will be saved with refunded SP. The game will be exactly the same and most will do the same thing they are doing now. CONTENT, CONTENT, CONTENT and MORE CONTENT will be the only thing that saves the game. Content is king. Unfortunately, we'll have to listen to half the players complain that they can't be prototype in new suits and weapons on the very first day without a respec. Let's just ignore the fact that the drive to achieve something new is critical. Let's just give it to everyone without any effort.
Might as well, and while we are at it add respecs for AUR so it is pay to win.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:39:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Content is king. For example if a tech 2 dropsuit is releaded so that you can continue specializing into an assault frame. Basic content is the foundation of the game. That foundation cannot be what we see today? If so, how could we ever make well informed decisions for our future merc careers?
Grind is not king.
So what you want is to be spoon fed? We need another brainless shooter that offers nothing but run and gun tactics and a bland lobby shooter.
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
855
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:42:00 -
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:44:00 -
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I am going to hate having to quit this game over CCP acquiescing to a bunch of QQers and people who feel like they deserve something for playing a game. The content we have is the basic of basics, what don't you see about that. The game is continuously changing and will until they turn the server off.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
416
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:46:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Content is king. For example if a tech 2 dropsuit is releaded so that you can continue specializing into an assault frame. Basic content is the foundation of the game. That foundation cannot be what we see today? If so, how could we ever make well informed decisions for our future merc careers?
Grind is not king. So what you want is to be spoon fed? We need another brainless shooter that offers nothing but run and gun tactics and a bland lobby shooter.
Lol. Like this game is soooo complex now. Everyone and their mother can theorycraft the best fitting in the game with HP mods, dmg mods and AR or ScR.
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:48:00 -
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I still haven't seen a well thought out reason that justifies giving back SP. Try playing the game instead of whining about how it sucks. There is no end game and trying to act like there is only makes it worse. Prototype gear doesn't make you that much better because if you are not good at the game, like me, then prototype gear only makes you go broke and complain more.
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1490
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:50:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:You got a point I think. What if most of tankers just say screw tanks, and go infantry. We could have Fotm wave any way the SP is reimbursed.
We have to get a respec. They are completely changing the skills.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:51:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Content is king. For example if a tech 2 dropsuit is releaded so that you can continue specializing into an assault frame. Basic content is the foundation of the game. That foundation cannot be what we see today? If so, how could we ever make well informed decisions for our future merc careers?
Grind is not king. So what you want is to be spoon fed? We need another brainless shooter that offers nothing but run and gun tactics and a bland lobby shooter. Lol. Like this game is soooo complex now. Everyone and their mother can theorycraft the best fitting in the game with HP mods, dmg mods and AR or ScR.
So how does refunding SP change that? The problem isn't caused by the inalienably to change styles it is the instability of people to change their thinking on how a game should be. We are playing CCP's vision of how their universe is not how all other games are played.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1209
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:54:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:You got a point I think. What if most of tankers just say screw tanks, and go infantry. We could have Fotm wave any way the SP is reimbursed. We have to get a respec. They are completely changing the skills.
Booooooo. Another junk way of thinking. Do we need one every time something is added or changed? When and where does it end? The skills and gear will NEVER stop changing just like the other game they make. This isn't a regular game and the quicker we get that in our heads the faster we can move along to better things.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1651
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:57:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:You got a point I think. What if most of tankers just say screw tanks, and go infantry. We could have Fotm wave any way the SP is reimbursed. We have to get a respec. They are completely changing the skills. Booooooo. Another junk way of thinking. Do we need one every time something is added or changed? When and where does it end? The skills and gear will NEVER stop changing just like the other game they make. This isn't a regular game and the quicker we get that in our heads the faster we can move along to better things.
You are a ******* idiot
Have you looked at the new vehicle tree, the mods the hulls the weapons
They are changing everything about the tree, removing modes, removing skills and changing the skill descriptions etc
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Tectonic Fusion
535
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:09:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Yes, let's all spec into Gallente Assault, assault rifles and prototype nanohives.
Or Caldari Assault FTW!!!
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1210
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:11:00 -
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So no vehicle will work? Pilots want to be pilots in the vehicles they like. I understand that the skill tree is changing but it will still be vehicle related and probably similar to what we have now. You are telling me that a HAV pilot will stop being a pilot for a HAV? Why even put vehicles back in the game then? Why do they need the SP back only to turn around and do the same type of thing with the SP? I am not saying that some SP needs to be refunded for skills that are removed but a total respec for everyone is junk.
The skill requirements for vehicles will still be there and probably in the same type tree. You are going to have to skill into the exact same skill that they refunded because the skill is needed to use vehicles.
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1494
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:15:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:You got a point I think. What if most of tankers just say screw tanks, and go infantry. We could have Fotm wave any way the SP is reimbursed. We have to get a respec. They are completely changing the skills. Booooooo. Another junk way of thinking. Do we need one every time something is added or changed? When and where does it end? The skills and gear will NEVER stop changing just like the other game they make. This isn't a regular game and the quicker we get that in our heads the faster we can move along to better things. You are a ******* idiot Have you looked at the new vehicle tree, the mods the hulls the weapons They are changing everything about the tree, removing modes, removing skills and changing the skill descriptions etc
I think he didn't understand what I meant.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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RedBleach LeSanglant
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
462
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:16:00 -
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I severely doubt there will be a general refund. A refund on removed skills or removed vehicles, sure. BUT CCP needs data, they need people to keep playing tanks and dropships and lavs to see if what they have done varies too greatly from their intentions in actual play.
Perhaps after testing - 2-3 months in my opinion, which is not the one that counts, and the weapons and suits are deployed we might see a general respec. I don't believe it will happen before that - but i wouldn't say no if it did. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
865
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:17:00 -
[42] - Quote
All of my SP being refunded for vehicles are already going to be put to use elsewhere. HAVs are just so boring.
As for my infantry SP? Yeah sure. I'd love to get a refund of stuff I'd never use, such as Dropsuit command level 5.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
420
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:37:00 -
[43] - Quote
Zion Shad wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Is there a plan to give out a respec before the game turns to version 2.0? They r looking at a way so you can respec. Now they not sure how you may pay or it being balanced but it will come
URL: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1408205#post1408205
Unless Zion Shad decided to troll the whole community while being in EVE Vegas, I think this is legitimate.
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1218
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Posted - 2013.11.12 02:31:00 -
[44] - Quote
Spectral Clone wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:low genius wrote:talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right. don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be. A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it. THE TERROR!! It didn't help last time and it won't help this time. Refunding points doesn't make the game any more interesting or fun. If they refund all SP the same posts begging for more respecs will be up in a month because they didn't understand what they were doing, CCP tweaked something, some thing is OP/UP, noobs don't have a chance and the classic-I want to have more fun with a different gun. It will not be more fun because the game needs content not a wasted effort to pacify QQers. Im repeating myself to make myself clear: This game is still in beta, we would not see fixes on core mechanics still if it wasnt. Big changes to the game in 1.6, even bigger in 1.7 than uprising 1.0. CCP has confirmed respec mechanic on dust 514 round table at EVE vegas 2013.
Just wanted to add this quote from the eve forums that I found today that was posted on the 6th of November 2013.
quote=To Be Me]eve is in beta still the final product to come out in a few more years (decades).. errr i mean maybe it will come out one day, who knows!
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Here is the thread about writing eve 2.0.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3837066#post3837066
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Gunmouse
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
124
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Posted - 2013.11.12 02:35:00 -
[45] - Quote
Offer a respec, if you want it, you lose all your assets including officer weapons. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1221
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:23:00 -
[46] - Quote
The Robot Devil wrote:So no vehicle will work? Pilots want to be pilots in the vehicles they like. I understand that the skill tree is changing but it will still be vehicle related and probably similar to what we have now. You are telling me that a HAV pilot will stop being a pilot for a HAV? Why even put vehicles back in the game then? Why do they need the SP back only to turn around and do the same type of thing with the SP? I am not saying that some SP needs to be refunded for skills that are removed but a total respec for everyone is junk.
The skill requirements for vehicles will still be there and probably in the same type tree. You are going to have to skill into the exact same skill that they refunded because the skill is needed to use vehicles.
Did you look at the chart comparing the current skills to the proposed skills?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1222
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:35:00 -
[47] - Quote
Yes the ones removed will be returned. That is not a respec. That is paying the person what they are owed. They have to do that but if the skill isn't removed then it shouldn't be refunded.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
7525
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:38:00 -
[48] - Quote
The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:low genius wrote:talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right. don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be. A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it. THE TERROR!! It didn't help last time and it won't help this time. Refunding points doesn't make the game any more interesting or fun. If they refund all SP the same posts begging for more respecs will be up in a month because they didn't understand what they were doing, CCP tweaked something, some thing is OP/UP, noobs don't have a chance and the classic-I want to have more fun with a different gun. It will not be more fun because the game needs content not a wasted effort to pacify QQers.
The last respec kept me from straight up quitting this game after over a year of dedicated borderline religious play, so I'd say respecs heal more than harm, personally.
Fan Fiction
\ Broke Dropship Pilot /
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KryptixX
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
430
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:44:00 -
[49] - Quote
The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:low genius wrote:talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right. don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be. A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it. THE TERROR!! It didn't help last time and it won't help this time. Refunding points doesn't make the game any more interesting or fun.
Speak for yourself. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1223
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:50:00 -
[50] - Quote
I have SP in vehicles for shield transporting and then in some modules to help say alive for a few more cycles but I am not a vehicle specialist. Vehicle support is fun but doesn't pay and I went lots of matches 0/5 0WP while helping HAV pilots. I would love to have that SP back but if the skill isn't removed then I shouldn't get it back. Please don't misinterpret my hard line stances on respecs as not caring about pilots and vehicle because I tried for months to provide vehicle support with limited success. I spent time/ISK/SP doing something for nothing with nothing to show for it but a 0.75 KDR and a wall let missing millions. Not to mention all the SP I missed by not providing infantry logistics.
Try playing three or four straight matches running full advanced gear and matching LAV and only making about 5 kills and getting nothing for support while lossing at least two LAVs and about 10-15 suits because I would fight for my pilot in the HAV an not let AV grenades take them down.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
924
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:54:00 -
[51] - Quote
I understand what FOTM means, but what do the letters stand for?
What the fox say?
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KryptixX
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
431
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Posted - 2013.11.12 19:55:00 -
[52] - Quote
Xender17 wrote:I understand what FOTM means, but what do the letters stand for?
Flavor of the moment/month |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
4917
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:05:00 -
[53] - Quote
Reav Hannari wrote:Yes, let's all spec into Gallente Assault, assault rifles and prototype nanohives.
Please do so I can laugh at you.
Level 4 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
909
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Posted - 2013.11.12 20:28:00 -
[54] - Quote
I want a respec but for the record I was Gallente Assault before it was cool
Do not eat the yellow snow
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EternalRMG
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
585
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:04:00 -
[55] - Quote
As ive said before;
I Want a respec to:
Get away from being a gallogi and return to being a DropShip Pilot
Get Gallente light to lvl 3, in order to be prepared for Pilots Suits
Max Out EVERY Vehicle Upgrades Skill
Make people scream when they see my derpship in the air
"Fight Togheter; Win Together"
Duster Since: July 2012
Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
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Syeven Reed
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
162
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:05:00 -
[56] - Quote
Spectral Clone wrote:People, please understand that FOTM will happen with or without the respec. The time constant of the FOTM is just larger when you train it the regular way. People right now are giving up heavies and specing into medium frsmes because heavies are broken.
A respec can save this game.
#rescuedust514
#respecsdoesnotequalfotm
Agreed, I will most likely be specing into a heavy, as I am Minmatar I don't see it as much of an option right now.
Gÿé Syeven 514
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
DROID EXILES
536
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:06:00 -
[57] - Quote
The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:low genius wrote:talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right. don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be. A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it. THE TERROR!! It didn't help last time and it won't help this time. Refunding points doesn't make the game any more interesting or fun. If they refund all SP the same posts begging for more respecs will be up in a month because they didn't understand what they were doing, CCP tweaked something, some thing is OP/UP, noobs don't have a chance and the classic-I want to have more fun with a different gun. It will not be more fun because the game needs content not a wasted effort to pacify QQers.
stop. a respec DID help the game last time and it DOES make the game fun and interesting. we're only asking for one. just because YOU are specced into what you want doesn't mean all of us are. there is no way they could justify anything less than a full respec, and if they dont give a respec, then they will lose alot of vets who have been getting their hopes for it.
How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
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Evolution-7
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
170
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:25:00 -
[58] - Quote
EternalRMG wrote:This is the biggest content update so far, so i thinl that we deserve a full respec one last time
and if you give us a respec or not people are going to spec on the ftm anyways
Can't be the last time because, when full racial variations come out. People will say the same thing. We deserve a respec one last time....
Veteran Pilot
"Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."
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ACE OF JOKERS
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
0
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:26:00 -
[59] - Quote
CharCharOdell wrote:Let's assume 18 mil of my 22 mil SP is in tanks. We all know I'm getting that refunded. Wouldnt the infantry like a respec, too?
Well i have a LOT of SP invested into AV and AV fitting , so i think vehicle drivers DESERVE a respec,but in order to be fair it would be easier for everyone to get 1. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4108
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:36:00 -
[60] - Quote
ACE OF JOKERS wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Let's assume 18 mil of my 22 mil SP is in tanks. We all know I'm getting that refunded. Wouldnt the infantry like a respec, too? Well i have a LOT of SP invested into AV and AV fitting , so i think vehicle drivers DESERVE a respec,but in order to be fair it would be easier for everyone to get 1.
Yeah it would be easier to respect everyone...though remember how long it takes for CCP to get those respecs implemented.....
Oh and I know that its you Checkmate.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1511
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:47:00 -
[61] - Quote
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:low genius wrote:talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right. don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be. A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it. THE TERROR!! It didn't help last time and it won't help this time. Refunding points doesn't make the game any more interesting or fun. If they refund all SP the same posts begging for more respecs will be up in a month because they didn't understand what they were doing, CCP tweaked something, some thing is OP/UP, noobs don't have a chance and the classic-I want to have more fun with a different gun. It will not be more fun because the game needs content not a wasted effort to pacify QQers. stop. a respec DID help the game last time and it DOES make the game fun and interesting. we're only asking for one. just because YOU are specced into what you want doesn't mean all of us are. there is no way they could justify anything less than a full respec, and if they dont give a respec, then they will lose alot of vets who have been getting their hopes for it.
People said that they were asking for one last time, and the time before, and the time before...... The only reason why I want a partial (notice that I said partical) is so I won't lose SP from skills that are being removed, and some skills are being completely altered.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
The Shadow Eclipse
375
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:50:00 -
[62] - Quote
Spectral Clone wrote:
A respec can save this game.
#rescuedust514
#respecsdoesnotequalfotm
Until they **** up the respec they had and cry for another when something new comes along.... D+¬j+á vu?
GôêGÆ+GÆ+GƦ
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ACE OF JOKERS
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
0
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:33:00 -
[63] - Quote
Reav Hannari wrote:Yes, let's all spec into Gallente LOGI, assault rifles and prototype nanohives.
Fixed* |
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