DUST Search - Skill Respec for Pilots? What about everyone else?

Spectral Clone wrote:

The Robot Devil wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

low genius wrote:

talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right.

don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be. Pirate

A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it.

THE TERROR!!

It didn't help last time and it won't help this time. Refunding points doesn't make the game any more interesting or fun. If they refund all SP the same posts begging for more respecs will be up in a month because they didn't understand what they were doing, CCP tweaked something, some thing is OP/UP, noobs don't have a chance and the classic-I want to have more fun with a different gun. It will not be more fun because the game needs content not a wasted effort to pacify QQers.

Im repeating myself to make myself clear: This game is still in beta, we would not see fixes on core mechanics still if it wasnt.
Big changes to the game in 1.6, even bigger in 1.7 than uprising 1.0.
CCP has confirmed respec mechanic on dust 514 round table at EVE vegas 2013.

Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.

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The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1209	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:44:00 - [31] - Quote I am going to hate having to quit this game over CCP acquiescing to a bunch of QQers and people who feel like they deserve something for playing a game. The content we have is the basic of basics, what don't you see about that. The game is continuously changing and will until they turn the server off. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 416	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:46:00 - [32] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Content is king. For example if a tech 2 dropsuit is releaded so that you can continue specializing into an assault frame. Basic content is the foundation of the game. That foundation cannot be what we see today? If so, how could we ever make well informed decisions for our future merc careers? Grind is not king. So what you want is to be spoon fed? We need another brainless shooter that offers nothing but run and gun tactics and a bland lobby shooter. Lol. Like this game is soooo complex now. Everyone and their mother can theorycraft the best fitting in the game with HP mods, dmg mods and AR or ScR. +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. CCP please make our decisions matter. "AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1209	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:48:00 - [33] - Quote I still haven't seen a well thought out reason that justifies giving back SP. Try playing the game instead of whining about how it sucks. There is no end game and trying to act like there is only makes it worse. Prototype gear doesn't make you that much better because if you are not good at the game, like me, then prototype gear only makes you go broke and complain more. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1490	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:50:00 - [34] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: You got a point I think. What if most of tankers just say screw tanks, and go infantry. We could have Fotm wave any way the SP is reimbursed. We have to get a respec. They are completely changing the skills. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1209	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:51:00 - [35] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Content is king. For example if a tech 2 dropsuit is releaded so that you can continue specializing into an assault frame. Basic content is the foundation of the game. That foundation cannot be what we see today? If so, how could we ever make well informed decisions for our future merc careers? Grind is not king. So what you want is to be spoon fed? We need another brainless shooter that offers nothing but run and gun tactics and a bland lobby shooter. Lol. Like this game is soooo complex now. Everyone and their mother can theorycraft the best fitting in the game with HP mods, dmg mods and AR or ScR. So how does refunding SP change that? The problem isn't caused by the inalienably to change styles it is the instability of people to change their thinking on how a game should be. We are playing CCP's vision of how their universe is not how all other games are played. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1209	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:54:00 - [36] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: You got a point I think. What if most of tankers just say screw tanks, and go infantry. We could have Fotm wave any way the SP is reimbursed. We have to get a respec. They are completely changing the skills. Booooooo. Another junk way of thinking. Do we need one every time something is added or changed? When and where does it end? The skills and gear will NEVER stop changing just like the other game they make. This isn't a regular game and the quicker we get that in our heads the faster we can move along to better things. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1651	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:57:00 - [37] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: You got a point I think. What if most of tankers just say screw tanks, and go infantry. We could have Fotm wave any way the SP is reimbursed. We have to get a respec. They are completely changing the skills. Booooooo. Another junk way of thinking. Do we need one every time something is added or changed? When and where does it end? The skills and gear will NEVER stop changing just like the other game they make. This isn't a regular game and the quicker we get that in our heads the faster we can move along to better things. You are a ******* idiot Have you looked at the new vehicle tree, the mods the hulls the weapons They are changing everything about the tree, removing modes, removing skills and changing the skill descriptions etc
Tectonic Fusion 535	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:09:00 - [38] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Yes, let's all spec into Gallente Assault, assault rifles and prototype nanohives. Or Caldari Assault FTW!!! Solo Player Squad status: Locked
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1210	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:11:00 - [39] - Quote So no vehicle will work? Pilots want to be pilots in the vehicles they like. I understand that the skill tree is changing but it will still be vehicle related and probably similar to what we have now. You are telling me that a HAV pilot will stop being a pilot for a HAV? Why even put vehicles back in the game then? Why do they need the SP back only to turn around and do the same type of thing with the SP? I am not saying that some SP needs to be refunded for skills that are removed but a total respec for everyone is junk. The skill requirements for vehicles will still be there and probably in the same type tree. You are going to have to skill into the exact same skill that they refunded because the skill is needed to use vehicles. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1494	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:15:00 - [40] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: You got a point I think. What if most of tankers just say screw tanks, and go infantry. We could have Fotm wave any way the SP is reimbursed. We have to get a respec. They are completely changing the skills. Booooooo. Another junk way of thinking. Do we need one every time something is added or changed? When and where does it end? The skills and gear will NEVER stop changing just like the other game they make. This isn't a regular game and the quicker we get that in our heads the faster we can move along to better things. You are a ******* idiot Have you looked at the new vehicle tree, the mods the hulls the weapons They are changing everything about the tree, removing modes, removing skills and changing the skill descriptions etc I think he didn't understand what I meant. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!

RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 462	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:16:00 - [41] - Quote I severely doubt there will be a general refund. A refund on removed skills or removed vehicles, sure. BUT CCP needs data, they need people to keep playing tanks and dropships and lavs to see if what they have done varies too greatly from their intentions in actual play. Perhaps after testing - 2-3 months in my opinion, which is not the one that counts, and the weapons and suits are deployed we might see a general respec. I don't believe it will happen before that - but i wouldn't say no if it did.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 865	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:17:00 - [42] - Quote All of my SP being refunded for vehicles are already going to be put to use elsewhere. HAVs are just so boring. As for my infantry SP? Yeah sure. I'd love to get a refund of stuff I'd never use, such as Dropsuit command level 5. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 420	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:37:00 - [43] - Quote Zion Shad wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Is there a plan to give out a respec before the game turns to version 2.0? They r looking at a way so you can respec. Now they not sure how you may pay or it being balanced but it will come URL: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1408205#post1408205 Unless Zion Shad decided to troll the whole community while being in EVE Vegas, I think this is legitimate. +¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13. CCP please make our decisions matter. "AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1218	Posted - 2013.11.12 02:31:00 - [44] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: low genius wrote: talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right. don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be. A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it. THE TERROR!! It didn't help last time and it won't help this time. Refunding points doesn't make the game any more interesting or fun. If they refund all SP the same posts begging for more respecs will be up in a month because they didn't understand what they were doing, CCP tweaked something, some thing is OP/UP, noobs don't have a chance and the classic-I want to have more fun with a different gun. It will not be more fun because the game needs content not a wasted effort to pacify QQers. Im repeating myself to make myself clear: This game is still in beta, we would not see fixes on core mechanics still if it wasnt. Big changes to the game in 1.6, even bigger in 1.7 than uprising 1.0. CCP has confirmed respec mechanic on dust 514 round table at EVE vegas 2013. Just wanted to add this quote from the eve forums that I found today that was posted on the 6th of November 2013. quote=To Be Me]eve is in beta still the final product to come out in a few more years (decades).. errr i mean maybe it will come out one day, who knows! [/quote] Here is the thread about writing eve 2.0. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3837066#post3837066 Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 124	Posted - 2013.11.12 02:35:00 - [45] - Quote Offer a respec, if you want it, you lose all your assets including officer weapons.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1221	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:23:00 - [46] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: So no vehicle will work? Pilots want to be pilots in the vehicles they like. I understand that the skill tree is changing but it will still be vehicle related and probably similar to what we have now. You are telling me that a HAV pilot will stop being a pilot for a HAV? Why even put vehicles back in the game then? Why do they need the SP back only to turn around and do the same type of thing with the SP? I am not saying that some SP needs to be refunded for skills that are removed but a total respec for everyone is junk. The skill requirements for vehicles will still be there and probably in the same type tree. You are going to have to skill into the exact same skill that they refunded because the skill is needed to use vehicles. Did you look at the chart comparing the current skills to the proposed skills? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1222	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:35:00 - [47] - Quote Yes the ones removed will be returned. That is not a respec. That is paying the person what they are owed. They have to do that but if the skill isn't removed then it shouldn't be refunded. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7525	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:38:00 - [48] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: low genius wrote: talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right. don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be. A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it. THE TERROR!! It didn't help last time and it won't help this time. Refunding points doesn't make the game any more interesting or fun. If they refund all SP the same posts begging for more respecs will be up in a month because they didn't understand what they were doing, CCP tweaked something, some thing is OP/UP, noobs don't have a chance and the classic-I want to have more fun with a different gun. It will not be more fun because the game needs content not a wasted effort to pacify QQers. The last respec kept me from straight up quitting this game after over a year of dedicated borderline religious play, so I'd say respecs heal more than harm, personally. Fan Fiction \ Broke Dropship Pilot /
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 430	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:44:00 - [49] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: low genius wrote: talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right. don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be. A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it. THE TERROR!! It didn't help last time and it won't help this time. Refunding points doesn't make the game any more interesting or fun. Speak for yourself.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1223	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:50:00 - [50] - Quote I have SP in vehicles for shield transporting and then in some modules to help say alive for a few more cycles but I am not a vehicle specialist. Vehicle support is fun but doesn't pay and I went lots of matches 0/5 0WP while helping HAV pilots. I would love to have that SP back but if the skill isn't removed then I shouldn't get it back. Please don't misinterpret my hard line stances on respecs as not caring about pilots and vehicle because I tried for months to provide vehicle support with limited success. I spent time/ISK/SP doing something for nothing with nothing to show for it but a 0.75 KDR and a wall let missing millions. Not to mention all the SP I missed by not providing infantry logistics. Try playing three or four straight matches running full advanced gear and matching LAV and only making about 5 kills and getting nothing for support while lossing at least two LAVs and about 10-15 suits because I would fight for my pilot in the HAV an not let AV grenades take them down. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.

Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 924	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:54:00 - [51] - Quote I understand what FOTM means, but what do the letters stand for? What the fox say?
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 431	Posted - 2013.11.12 19:55:00 - [52] - Quote Xender17 wrote: I understand what FOTM means, but what do the letters stand for? Flavor of the moment/month
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4917	Posted - 2013.11.12 20:05:00 - [53] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Yes, let's all spec into Gallente Assault, assault rifles and prototype nanohives. Please do so I can laugh at you. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 909	Posted - 2013.11.12 20:28:00 - [54] - Quote I want a respec but for the record I was Gallente Assault before it was cool Do not eat the yellow snow
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 585	Posted - 2013.11.12 21:04:00 - [55] - Quote As ive said before; I Want a respec to: Get away from being a gallogi and return to being a DropShip Pilot Get Gallente light to lvl 3, in order to be prepared for Pilots Suits Max Out EVERY Vehicle Upgrades Skill Make people scream when they see my derpship in the air "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 162	Posted - 2013.11.12 21:05:00 - [56] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: People, please understand that FOTM will happen with or without the respec. The time constant of the FOTM is just larger when you train it the regular way. People right now are giving up heavies and specing into medium frsmes because heavies are broken. A respec can save this game. #rescuedust514 #respecsdoesnotequalfotm Agreed, I will most likely be specing into a heavy, as I am Minmatar I don't see it as much of an option right now. Gÿé Syeven 514
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR DROID EXILES 536	Posted - 2013.11.12 22:06:00 - [57] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: low genius wrote: talking about how something is wanted doesn't mean it's something that is right. don't troll the noobs who don't understand how bad a respec would be. A respec would be so bad it would let people make informed decisions and play the game the way they want to play it. THE TERROR!! It didn't help last time and it won't help this time. Refunding points doesn't make the game any more interesting or fun. If they refund all SP the same posts begging for more respecs will be up in a month because they didn't understand what they were doing, CCP tweaked something, some thing is OP/UP, noobs don't have a chance and the classic-I want to have more fun with a different gun. It will not be more fun because the game needs content not a wasted effort to pacify QQers. stop. a respec DID help the game last time and it DOES make the game fun and interesting. we're only asking for one. just because YOU are specced into what you want doesn't mean all of us are. there is no way they could justify anything less than a full respec, and if they dont give a respec, then they will lose alot of vets who have been getting their hopes for it. How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
Evolution-7 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 170	Posted - 2013.11.12 22:25:00 - [58] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: This is the biggest content update so far, so i thinl that we deserve a full respec one last time and if you give us a respec or not people are going to spec on the ftm anyways Can't be the last time because, when full racial variations come out. People will say the same thing. We deserve a respec one last time.... Veteran Pilot "Fight on and fly on to the last drop of blood and the last drop of fuel, to the last beat of the heart."
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 0	Posted - 2013.11.12 22:26:00 - [59] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Let's assume 18 mil of my 22 mil SP is in tanks. We all know I'm getting that refunded. Wouldnt the infantry like a respec, too? Well i have a LOT of SP invested into AV and AV fitting , so i think vehicle drivers DESERVE a respec,but in order to be fair it would be easier for everyone to get 1.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4108	Posted - 2013.11.12 22:36:00 - [60] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Let's assume 18 mil of my 22 mil SP is in tanks. We all know I'm getting that refunded. Wouldnt the infantry like a respec, too? Well i have a LOT of SP invested into AV and AV fitting , so i think vehicle drivers DESERVE a respec,but in order to be fair it would be easier for everyone to get 1. Yeah it would be easier to respect everyone...though remember how long it takes for CCP to get those respecs implemented..... Oh and I know that its you Checkmate. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"



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