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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4057
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:52:00 -
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This thread is not about Empire Semantics and generalisations....
But why do you consider your character to be a "Good Guy" in New Eden, or if you are the opposite, why you consider your character to be a "Bad Guy" .
So which one are you?
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Canari Elphus
Ancient Exiles
879
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:56:00 -
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"good, bad, Im the guy with the gun"
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Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
111
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:01:00 -
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I consider Minmatar as good with many bad decisions. We have a reason that we're "angry and violent". Being enslaved is not fun. Families were ripped apart because of it and no trust between tribes.
I also dislike how a lot of people assume we're some blood thirsty savages that flip out about everything. If anything our Sanmatar is just a douchebag, but eh I'm just a young merc and I prefer to keep my mouth closed about politics. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Cult of War
998
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:05:00 -
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I'm Bad guy who sometimes makes good decisions, but at the end of the day i'm all about "F*ck you, got mine"
For the Empire!
Dual tanking is a sin.
Well fuck me I can say fuck in my sig, who knew?
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
412
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:08:00 -
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Neural leaning towards good.
I'm just a logi. I have no ties or loyalties to any faction, race, or corp. All I want to do is roam the battlefields and rep, revive, supply, and assist those that aren't shooting at me. No real reason. Just a way to kill time with my immortal life.
Why? That's a good question. Why? |
21yrOld Knight
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
276
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:11:00 -
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I would see myself as the bad guy to some. I have my own reasons they're not tied to fw.
I don't fight for the Amarr. I fight with them.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7016
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:20:00 -
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Most of the people I kill just respawn anyways.
I fight against capitalistic corporatism and slavery. I love the idea of meritocracy more than democracy, but profit motive should never be more important than the national/public good in government. I don't support slavery, no matter what religious nonsense is used to justify it.
Regarding mortals that I do murder, sometimes there are necessary casualties for the cause of freedom.
I generally try to be a nice guy, and try to help people.
Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1797
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:24:00 -
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I'm a cynical good guy.
Bottom line, Michael Arck will extend a hand to his corpmates and teammates. Mike doesn't like underhand dealings and prefers being transparent in his interactions with our mercernaries. Mike is about what's right and doing it the right way with an understanding that some extremities must be employed at times to get the job done. But those extremities are only done against his own enemies and that of the State.
The Caldari way has saved Michael's life. For that he will die and fight for their true freedom. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4058
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:26:00 -
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Interesting answers..... I would consider True as a Good Guy.... but I don't like Good guys. I like BAD GUYS EVIL GUYS SO EVIL!
They make for better characters anyway.... neutral characters are also very entertaining, can be noble sometimes....and utter coward other times.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Sage E'LOS
3
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:28:00 -
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"There is a fight going on inside all of us. It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil - He is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego. The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The one who wins - is the one you feed." - Ancient Human Legend
I understand that i am not a perfect immortal, I have made mistakes and i have had a hand in everything that has happened to me, good and bad. But, I am a man that strives for peace - and I use that ancient legend to determine my inner thoughts and strive to keep them clean.
A clear answer to your question however, I will say - I am a man that tries to be good.
Always pass on what you have learned
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2683
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:31:00 -
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I consider myself to be Sgt Kirk
The newer the berry the dumber the juice.
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1782
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:39:00 -
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I try to share hard won knowledge about the immortal soldier business.
I try to analyze instead of just regurgitating the current rhetoric.
I try to win without absolutely crushing the spirits of the rookies because a larger community is a healthier community.
I consider myself a good guy.
AKA: Rees Noturana https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1201
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:41:00 -
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I would have to say that I am a good guy. I believe that all people have the right to do what they want as long as it doesn't stop someone else from doing what they want. I don't follow religious doctrines or force my views on others. The rights of the individual is the most important thing we have and that freedom should never be changed or infringed.
The ability for one to choose their own destiny is paramount and any entity that tries to take that right is away should be destroyed. Tolerance is a virtue that free peoples enjoy and tyrants do not understand. I fight the good fight, I fight for those who cannot, I fight for the individual and their right to do as they please. I am not for anarchy or mob rule but I do believe in the rule of law, as long as that law preserves the individual.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10094
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:43:00 -
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My guy is somewhat lost trying to get things done to excuse yesterday and promise tomorrow.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\= Advanced Laser Rifle =// Unlocked
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4059
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:44:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:I would have to say that I am a good guy. I believe that all people have the right to do what they want as long as it doesn't stop someone else from doing what they want. I don't follow religious doctrines or force my views on others. The rights of the individual is the most important thing we have and that freedom should never be changed or infringed.
The ability for one to choose their own destiny is paramount and any entity that tries to take that right is away should be destroyed. Tolerance is a virtue that free peoples enjoy and tyrants do not understand. I fight the good fight, I fight for those who cannot, I fight for the individual and their right to do as they please. I am not for anarchy or mob rule but I do believe in the rule of law, as long as that law preserves the individual.
As do I.... we could have been brothers if it weren't for our blood.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Cult of War
1001
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:45:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Interesting answers..... I would consider True as a Good Guy.... but I don't like Good guys. I like BAD GUYS EVIL GUYS SO EVIL!
They make for better characters anyway.... neutral characters are also very entertaining, can be noble sometimes....and utter coward other times.
Whenever i think of neutral characters always think of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H06kpn2C3Fk
^futurama fans will enjoy.
For the Empire!
Dual tanking is a sin.
Well fuck me I can say fuck in my sig, who knew?
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VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
120
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:55:00 -
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I would have to say i am chaotic good - after all i am insane right? no goody goody or big and bad..but insane..oh glorious insane...not 514 but still insane - with a touch of food poisoning
The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity!
i should make an Everything Nixon Corp
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1201
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:11:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:True Adamance wrote:Interesting answers..... I would consider True as a Good Guy.... but I don't like Good guys. I like BAD GUYS EVIL GUYS SO EVIL!
They make for better characters anyway.... neutral characters are also very entertaining, can be noble sometimes....and utter coward other times. Whenever i think of neutral characters always think of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H06kpn2C3Fk^futurama fans will enjoy.
I endorse this message and encourage everyone to watch more Futurama.
Bender: I've had it up to here with this place. I'm off to the Head Museum to hang out with classy heads like me who appreciate the finer things: poetry, philosophy, hats. So long, coffin stuffers!... Uh, could one of you coffin stuffers please carry me?
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Jadek Menaheim
Xer Cloud Consortium
284
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:13:00 -
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My corp members have deemed me CEO Nixon...so take that morality alignment however you choose. 
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2396
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:17:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:This thread is not about Empire Semantics and generalisations....
But why do you consider your character to be a "Good Guy" in New Eden, or if you are the opposite, why you consider your character to be a "Bad Guy" .
So which one are you?
I think Amarr ppl are the Bad guys.
Me being a Real life atheist i really usually dont get involved in religious stuff.MORE reason to Role play as an Amarr Crusader LOL.
If i fin out some other race is more ''evil'' than the amarr, hmm...
I like being the villain...
The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4065
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:24:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote:This thread is not about Empire Semantics and generalisations....
But why do you consider your character to be a "Good Guy" in New Eden, or if you are the opposite, why you consider your character to be a "Bad Guy" .
So which one are you? I think Amarr ppl are the Bad guys. Me being a Real life atheist i really usually dont get involved in religious stuff.MORE reason to Role play as an Amarr Crusader LOL. If i fin out some other race is more ''evil'' than the amarr, hmm... I like being the villain...
You cant represent those factions....yet....
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Oswald Rehnquist
519
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:09:00 -
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Throughout history (real history) we tend to label peeps as good or evil but that is mainly to frame a picture to label a large group as above or below average decency to be able to justify giving them more or less power. Individuals may be evil/good but large groups of people are just hierarchies operating under certain laws and morals. All groups have leaders and opposition occurs when these diverging hierarchies compete to extend their law/morals over other people which is akin to competing for expanding the clan. There are defensive maneuvers hierarchies can take to prevent people from being siphon off and there are offensive moves hierarchies can make to collect more individuals. Essentially its just power play through framing.
So when it comes to the 4 empires of New Eden, none, but the characteristics of the Gallente perfectly represent the aspects of society that I lothe.
The Amarr / Min literally is represented as the Roman v Germanic barbarians conflicts, which held a more order vs chaos dichotomy.
The Gallente / Caldari conflict is modern politics vs turn of the century politics, with the Caldari representing 18 to early 20th century views (which held a more hands off approach of governing, stronger work ethnic, less protection, community>individual mindset) and the Gallente representing late 20-21 century views (which values more government centralization, individualism, hedonism, etc).
The last thing to remember is in real life, its the losers of wars are get universally labeled as evil (especially within the last 2 centuries). This is not just a stroke of coincidence but just as aspect of the winners being able to frame transactions however they see fit.
Below 28 dB
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Minako Nakajima
Vortex State Empire
Dark Taboo
28
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:42:00 -
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Anti Hero
"The world we've come to love can often seem to collapse around us." // Terminally Insane
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4069
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:44:00 -
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Minako Nakajima wrote:Anti Hero
Like Roland Deschain of Gilead....what an Anti hero he was.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
638
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:54:00 -
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Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1205
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:04:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1484620#post1484620
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4070
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:05:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe.
See that's where I disagree but I appreciate your opinion and input.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
638
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:09:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe. See that's where I disagree but I appreciate your opinion and input.
Where do you think is the flaw in that? |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1205
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:13:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe. See that's where I disagree but I appreciate your opinion and input. Where do you think is the flaw in that?
Gal = USA
Cal = Russia
Amarr = China
Min = Middle East
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
584
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:17:00 -
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The impression that there are "Good guys" and "Bad guys" or an ultimate good an evil in EVE is false entirely. Everything is a shade of grey, every empire has their good sides, and their bad sides.
Gallente - The only "true democracy", but very corrupt and often contradict their own ideals and laws for "security"
Caldari - Corporate meritocracy. Very xenophobic and distrusting of outsiders, but has New Eden's biggest economy and one of the strongest navies when compared to size.
Minmatar - Violent and impulsive, often go to unreasonable lengths to make "justice" happen(battle of Colelie prime example). However, they are the most resilient and adaptive of all the empires.
Amarr - Religious theocracy, promotes slavery. However, slavery is not as bad as you might assume, and the Amarr have the lowest crime rates and corruption in all of New Eden, and sport the largest armies and navies.
Nothing is black and white in the New Eden universe.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier
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Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
278
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:19:00 -
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I would be lawful good if I could. But at the moment we're all just dudes shooting other dudes. I feel there's a lack of meta game and there should be more of a sense of connection with the EVE universe before there can be true good and bad guys.
'Insert witty signature here'
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
780
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:36:00 -
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I think the only "good guys" in new eden are the Sisters of EVE. Everyone else is neutral or evil with 'good' intentions.
The Caldari seem to be Lawful Neutral. The law is everything to them, and ISK is their law. The intentions of the Caldari are easy to understand and usually based solely on reason.
The Minmatar are Chaotic Neutral. They live a pretty unstructured lifestyle, and their intentions are their own. Can't be reasoned with, but are not evil.
The Amarr are Lawful Evil. They follow the guidance of their God regardless of what that guidance is, even if that means enslaving an entire race of people and performing inhumane experiments on them. All in the name of everlasting universal peace... as long as you are faithful.
The Gallente are Chaotic Evil. Sex, Drugs, and above all, Power. They want to hold all the cards, and will do anything to get the upper hand, and they have done many very bad things to get it. They stand for freedom... but are willing to sacrifice freedom for power.
The Sisters of EVE are probably Neutral Good. Their intentions are to help the downtrodden, and open the EVE gate. Easily some of the most honourable people in New Eden.
The various pirate factions are different flavors of Evil. They are all in it for themselves only. Some are more evil than others, Sansha's Nation is much more evil than the Guristas for instance.
[+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94]
Burner of faces.
The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
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Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
580
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:38:00 -
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There are no good guys, there are no bad guys, there are people, and there are targets.
which are you?
Dust514 Stats, Have you updated today?
I do maths, and sit in a corner.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4070
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:45:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe. See that's where I disagree but I appreciate your opinion and input. Where do you think is the flaw in that?
The Gallente have noble concepts but so do the Amarr, like with all democracies such is fine in peace time but ultimately is a weak kind of government that doesn't have the same drive and motivation as monarchies, dictatorships, and such.
I dislike the Gallente because I see lies in everything they stand for, nothing personal, and this has no bearing on my opinions IRL, but to me the Gallente stink of false promises and empty words.
The Amarr promise a much harder path but one that is ultimately going to be better for humanity in the long run, that ends in the same place as the Gallente. Civil liberties are nice sure, but unity and solidarity, even at the cost of our freedoms are ultimately going to benefit humanity more in the environment New Eden is.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
638
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:54:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe. See that's where I disagree but I appreciate your opinion and input. Where do you think is the flaw in that? Gal = USA Cal = Russia Amarr = China Min = Middle East
Lol I like it, sorta makes sense. Only I think that USA is 2/3 Cal + 1/3 Gal. |
Lea Silencio
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
632
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:57:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I'm Bad guy who sometimes makes good decisions, but at the end of the day i'm all about "F*ck you, got mine"
Done things so bad i can't even speak of them...
Lol...I think I am the exact opposite of Vik. I'm used to being the good guy...the "voice of reason", but I do have a somewhat evil side that comes out in me if pushed. I think we all do. I operate on an honor system but irritate me and I may decide to take a sh!t on your KDR in games...for fun.
Purification.
It's what I do.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2105
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:01:00 -
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Good to those I care for, and the newberrys, indifferent to all else.
Need proof:
Sinboto and blood have cleaned an objective Valto the Sver squadron's logi goes in for the hack, Sinboto having seen the unnoticed RE yells at him to jump off, two members of another squadron rush in for an easy hack only to be terminated by the detonated RE........which Sinboto had shot with his MD.
When asked why he'd done it by Valto at a later time he replied with: "Because it nabbed me a free 12 points and a hack, unlike my affection for you and your wellbeing I care not for them or their gear."
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 2
A grunt of STB
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
715
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:01:00 -
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Neutral. Boba Fett is my hero. He does it for the money and so do EVE and DUST characters.
If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen!
-Steven Wright
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Aseair
The Immortal 514
35
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:03:00 -
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You want to ask if I'm a good guy or a bad guy? Pssh. I'm a mercenary.
You want to pay me to stab that guy over there because your ideals are different? Cool.
Oh, yeah, but guess what? He just offered me more to stab you instead 
Memento vos sunt immortales
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
683
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:05:00 -
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I am always good. It's the kind of guy I am, even my bad guys are good. I don't like to stray too far from reality. |
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
780
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:09:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe. See that's where I disagree but I appreciate your opinion and input. Where do you think is the flaw in that? The Gallente have noble concepts but so do the Amarr, like with all democracies such is fine in peace time but ultimately is a weak kind of government that doesn't have the same drive and motivation as monarchies, dictatorships, and such. I dislike the Gallente because I see lies in everything they stand for, nothing personal, and this has no bearing on my opinions IRL, but to me the Gallente stink of false promises and empty words. The Amarr promise a much harder path but one that is ultimately going to be better for humanity in the long run, that ends in the same place as the Gallente. Civil liberties are nice sure, but unity and solidarity, even at the cost of our freedoms are ultimately going to benefit humanity more in the environment New Eden is.
I wouldn't say democracies can only function well in peace time.
I will use my home, the US, as an example. It's definitely a democracy, and definitely a world power. It has the largest military in the world, and has only had 11 years of peace time since it was founded, less than 5% of its time as a nation has been without conflict. We thrive on war and conflict it seems. I would expand further on this, but I don't want to get too heavily into US politics.
It would be more accurate to say democracies work slower than other govt' types.
[+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94]
Burner of faces.
The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
927
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:17:00 -
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Chaotic Good FTW!!!!
"Just another piece of duct tape"
Equality Event
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Zero Notion
Wraith Company
306
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:43:00 -
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Good? Bad? Frivolous and meaningless concepts of the foolish. Immortal beings are beyond such moral compartmentalizing, beyond those exercises in restriction that bind them to their death-aware reality. Any mortal meanderings that hope to define the nature of a thing are shaped by their pitifully short years; they could never dream of the wants and desires that an immortal mercenary comes to suffuse their being with. The eyes of the men and women who had lived in the now burnt out husks of the planets we have scoured show the truth of things - they might as well have been looking upon furious, divine messengers who have come to speak the glorious message of War.
And that message is: Carnage.
Good? Bad? Ask them whose cities and worlds we use to stage our brutal wars. Ask those that cower in the ruined shells of their cities after we have sated our thirst for the violence that drives us into our deathless war.
You can ask them if you can find any survivors in the ashes.
I never bother with the opinion of mere ants myself.
(As told by an Amarrian immortal super soldier implanted with alien neurotechnology: surely nothing could ever go wrong with that! Personally, I don't see my dude as good or bad or neutral. He's just in motion, acting in the moment, responding to those moments in a terrible display of violence.) |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4071
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:21:00 -
[44] - Quote
Zero Notion wrote:Good? Bad? Frivolous and meaningless concepts of the foolish. Immortal beings are beyond such moral compartmentalizing, beyond those exercises in restriction that bind them to their death-aware reality. Any mortal meanderings that hope to define the nature of a thing are shaped by their pitifully short years; they could never dream of the wants and desires that an immortal mercenary comes to suffuse their being with. The eyes of the men and women who had lived in the now burnt out husks of the planets we have scoured show the truth of things - they might as well have been looking upon furious, divine messengers who have come to speak the glorious message of War.
And that message is: Carnage.
Good? Bad? Ask them whose cities and worlds we use to stage our brutal wars. Ask those that cower in the ruined shells of their cities after we have sated our thirst for the violence that drives us into our deathless war.
You can ask them if you can find any survivors in the ashes.
I never bother with the opinion of mere ants myself.
(As told by an Amarrian immortal super soldier implanted with alien neurotechnology: surely nothing could ever go wrong with that! Personally, I don't see my dude as good or bad or neutral. He's just in motion, acting in the moment, responding to those moments in a terrible display of violence.)
You represent a great danger that I hope never fully manifests in our kind.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
956
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:30:00 -
[45] - Quote
I'm not good or evil, I'm mad!
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1206
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Posted - 2013.11.11 11:30:00 -
[46] - Quote
Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Neutral. Boba Fett is my hero. He does it for the money and so do EVE and DUST characters.
Jango ( may be spelled wrong) did for money and an unaltered clone and Boba did it for revenge on the Jedis that killed his father. All good reasons.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1206
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Posted - 2013.11.11 11:35:00 -
[47] - Quote
Fizzer94 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe. See that's where I disagree but I appreciate your opinion and input. Where do you think is the flaw in that? The Gallente have noble concepts but so do the Amarr, like with all democracies such is fine in peace time but ultimately is a weak kind of government that doesn't have the same drive and motivation as monarchies, dictatorships, and such. I dislike the Gallente because I see lies in everything they stand for, nothing personal, and this has no bearing on my opinions IRL, but to me the Gallente stink of false promises and empty words. The Amarr promise a much harder path but one that is ultimately going to be better for humanity in the long run, that ends in the same place as the Gallente. Civil liberties are nice sure, but unity and solidarity, even at the cost of our freedoms are ultimately going to benefit humanity more in the environment New Eden is. I wouldn't say democracies can only function well in peace time. I will use my home, the US, as an example. It's definitely a democracy, and definitely a world power. It has the largest military in the world, and has only had 11 years of peace time since it was founded, less than 5% of its time as a nation has been without conflict. We thrive on war and conflict it seems. I would expand further on this, but I don't want to get too heavily into US politics. It would be more accurate to say democracies work slower than other govt' types.
We live in a represtative republic - which a type of a democracy - not a full blow democracy. A democracy is basically mob rule. We don't have much peace time because we deploy all over the world instead of minding our business.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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Cpl Foster USMC
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
308
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Posted - 2013.11.11 12:34:00 -
[48] - Quote
bad guy...because...
I don't care who wins...I'm just here for the killin'...
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Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard
Templis Dragonaors
95
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:19:00 -
[49] - Quote
I'm fighting for the greater good of my people, but some might suggest my methods are to... harsh on the Federation troops. I've been called a murder by the enemy many times over. I only wish to break their morale and kill as many Galleneteans as possible. The humans are always so scared of death it amuses me of what they'll do to stay alive. |
Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
313
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:29:00 -
[50] - Quote
My character is a 7 foot 4 tall misanthropic massmurdering rethard, but that loves animals. Especially kittens. |
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
218
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:01:00 -
[51] - Quote
I'm just a guy trying to get paid. Though I do admit I enjoy it a bit more if I'm paid to shoot Amarr .
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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MySpaceTom
Xer Cloud Consortium
39
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:53:00 -
[52] - Quote
I am good.
"I am Jadek's medulla oblongata. Without me, Jadek could not regulate his heart rate, blood pressure, or breathing."
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Jadu Wen
Xer Cloud Consortium
150
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Posted - 2013.11.11 17:54:00 -
[53] - Quote
MySpaceTom wrote:I am good. "I am Jadek's medulla oblongata. Without me, Jadek could not regulate his heart rate, blood pressure, or breathing."
There you go again; trolling the forums with your alts. Quite clever sir!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
865
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:01:00 -
[54] - Quote
In the eyes of many, I would be a hero.
But from all the awful atrocities I committed before becoming immortal, I'd consider myself to be very "bad" indeed.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
719
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:23:00 -
[55] - Quote
Fizzer94 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ludvig Enraga wrote:Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe. See that's where I disagree but I appreciate your opinion and input. Where do you think is the flaw in that? The Gallente have noble concepts but so do the Amarr, like with all democracies such is fine in peace time but ultimately is a weak kind of government that doesn't have the same drive and motivation as monarchies, dictatorships, and such. I dislike the Gallente because I see lies in everything they stand for, nothing personal, and this has no bearing on my opinions IRL, but to me the Gallente stink of false promises and empty words. The Amarr promise a much harder path but one that is ultimately going to be better for humanity in the long run, that ends in the same place as the Gallente. Civil liberties are nice sure, but unity and solidarity, even at the cost of our freedoms are ultimately going to benefit humanity more in the environment New Eden is. I wouldn't say democracies can only function well in peace time. I will use my home, the US, as an example. It's definitely a democracy, and definitely a world power. It has the largest military in the world, and has only had 11 years of peace time since it was founded, less than 5% of its time as a nation has been without conflict. We thrive on war and conflict it seems. I would expand further on this, but I don't want to get too heavily into US politics. It would be more accurate to say democracies work slower than other govt' types.
The U.S. is a republic. We're a nation based on law. Democracy is an ideal. Capitalism is our basis and we don't have much peacetime because we like to **** things up. You must always keep any potential enemy destabilized and split. It's a tough job but as long as you are at the top of the heap it is your duty. Because the next guy is just going to do the same to you.
It is the spartan ideal.
If we were a democracy we'd be dead in the water because democracy is one step right of anarchy.
If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen!
-Steven Wright
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
719
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Posted - 2013.11.11 22:24:00 -
[56] - Quote
I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There is no one I'd rather be than me.
If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen!
-Steven Wright
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4076
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:04:00 -
[57] - Quote
Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There is no one I'd rather be than me.
IM GONNA WRECKIT!
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles
2822
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:07:00 -
[58] - Quote
All who like anime are good,
Those that don't are truly evil.
GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢
Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà
Forum Warrior LV. 2
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DozersMouse XIII
Ultramarine Corp
0
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:08:00 -
[59] - Quote
i'm a saint and a sinner
50/50 |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4076
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:08:00 -
[60] - Quote
DJINN Marauder wrote:All who like anime are good,
Those that don't are truly evil.
I suppose I am good unless you define specific shows.... then I'm probably ******.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Kasira Vorrikesh
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.11.12 07:48:00 -
[61] - Quote
I don't really understand how much freedom a Dust character has, lore-wise. It certainly can't be as much freedom as an EVE capsuleer, right? Beyond that, our ability to travel seems limited to what our employers provide; are we, for example, able to use our clones for personal reasons that fall outside of whatever's stipulated in a contract? How are we selected, or how do we qualify, for the cloning process to begin with?
Maybe I'm missing something, I don't know. To answer your question, I'll go from the perspective of an EVE pilot instead though, because I understand that concept better.
I'd be a pirate. Selfish, occasionally ruthless, but generally trustworthy and honorable unless crossed; anyone who crosses me dies slowly and painfully if I have the opportunity to capture them. I'd either work solo or as a privateer (not sure if EVE lore has state-sponsored piracy) for Caldari/Amarr, against Gallente/Matar and other pirates. I'd have a covert ops ship with a crew of Ni-Kunni, Deteis, Khanid, and maybe a few Achura and a couple of rogue Sebiestor and Intaki for flavor.
Oh, the adventures we'd have. I envision it as being very Firefly-esque. I might dabble in corporate espionage, sabotage, and assassination if I get bored; but only for "good" (as in, my own) reasons.
I couldn't work directly for any of the major factions; don't take orders well. Thus the "consultant" capacity would be ideal. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
721
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:11:00 -
[62] - Quote
Kasira Vorrikesh wrote:I don't really understand how much freedom a Dust character has, lore-wise. It certainly can't be as much freedom as an EVE capsuleer, right? Beyond that, our ability to travel seems limited to what our employers provide; are we, for example, able to use our clones for personal reasons that fall outside of whatever's stipulated in a contract? How are we selected, or how do we qualify, for the cloning process to begin with?
Maybe I'm missing something, I don't know. To answer your question, I'll go from the perspective of an EVE pilot instead though, because I understand that concept better.
I'd be a pirate. Selfish, occasionally ruthless, but generally trustworthy and honorable unless crossed; anyone who crosses me dies slowly and painfully if I have the opportunity to capture them. I'd either work solo or as a privateer (not sure if EVE lore has state-sponsored piracy) for Caldari/Amarr, against Gallente/Matar and other pirates. I'd have a covert ops ship with a crew of Ni-Kunni, Deteis, Khanid, and maybe a few Achura and a couple of rogue Sebiestor and Intaki for flavor.
Oh, the adventures we'd have. I envision it as being very Firefly-esque. I might dabble in corporate espionage, sabotage, and assassination if I get bored; but only for "good" (as in, my own) reasons.
I couldn't work directly for any of the major factions; don't take orders well. Thus the "consultant" capacity would be ideal.
We are all trapped in a small little room.
If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen!
-Steven Wright
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Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1503
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:15:00 -
[63] - Quote
Meh.
It is all determinant of what end of the scrambler your on.
For the State!
For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
1205
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:19:00 -
[64] - Quote
Canari Elphus wrote:"good, bad, Im the guy with the gun"
pretty much sums it up, my character is a merc, I do bad things and I do good things, but more often then not I couldn't care less about most red and blue dots. |
ELITE INQUISITOR
Eternal Beings
12
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:55:00 -
[65] - Quote
Dirty deeds done dirt cheap. Nuff said
If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
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HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
325
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:56:00 -
[66] - Quote
As a gallente its obvious we are the true voice and protectors of good in the universe. We are the good guys.
The only good guys.
You are welcome for my leadership
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1174
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:19:00 -
[67] - Quote
GOOD
*BAD*
WHAT THE HELL?! 
Really? How about we let the good lads here decide. SURT GODS END. GOOD GUY? OR BAD GUY? |
Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1251
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Posted - 2013.11.12 15:51:00 -
[68] - Quote
"There is no good and no bad, there is just flesh"
"Please don't"
GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
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