DUST Search - Good Guys and Bad Guys

Fizzer94 wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Ludvig Enraga wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Ludvig Enraga wrote:

Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe.

See that's where I disagree but I appreciate your opinion and input.

Where do you think is the flaw in that?

The Gallente have noble concepts but so do the Amarr, like with all democracies such is fine in peace time but ultimately is a weak kind of government that doesn't have the same drive and motivation as monarchies, dictatorships, and such.

I dislike the Gallente because I see lies in everything they stand for, nothing personal, and this has no bearing on my opinions IRL, but to me the Gallente stink of false promises and empty words.

The Amarr promise a much harder path but one that is ultimately going to be better for humanity in the long run, that ends in the same place as the Gallente. Civil liberties are nice sure, but unity and solidarity, even at the cost of our freedoms are ultimately going to benefit humanity more in the environment New Eden is.

I wouldn't say democracies can only function well in peace time.

I will use my home, the US, as an example. It's definitely a democracy, and definitely a world power. It has the largest military in the world, and has only had 11 years of peace time since it was founded, less than 5% of its time as a nation has been without conflict. We thrive on war and conflict it seems. I would expand further on this, but I don't want to get too heavily into US politics.

It would be more accurate to say democracies work slower than other govt' types.

Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.

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Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 278	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:19:00 - [31] - Quote I would be lawful good if I could. But at the moment we're all just dudes shooting other dudes. I feel there's a lack of meta game and there should be more of a sense of connection with the EVE universe before there can be true good and bad guys. 'Insert witty signature here'
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 780	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:36:00 - [32] - Quote I think the only "good guys" in new eden are the Sisters of EVE. Everyone else is neutral or evil with 'good' intentions. The Caldari seem to be Lawful Neutral. The law is everything to them, and ISK is their law. The intentions of the Caldari are easy to understand and usually based solely on reason. The Minmatar are Chaotic Neutral. They live a pretty unstructured lifestyle, and their intentions are their own. Can't be reasoned with, but are not evil. The Amarr are Lawful Evil. They follow the guidance of their God regardless of what that guidance is, even if that means enslaving an entire race of people and performing inhumane experiments on them. All in the name of everlasting universal peace... as long as you are faithful. The Gallente are Chaotic Evil. Sex, Drugs, and above all, Power. They want to hold all the cards, and will do anything to get the upper hand, and they have done many very bad things to get it. They stand for freedom... but are willing to sacrifice freedom for power. The Sisters of EVE are probably Neutral Good. Their intentions are to help the downtrodden, and open the EVE gate. Easily some of the most honourable people in New Eden. The various pirate factions are different flavors of Evil. They are all in it for themselves only. Some are more evil than others, Sansha's Nation is much more evil than the Guristas for instance. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 580	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:38:00 - [33] - Quote There are no good guys, there are no bad guys, there are people, and there are targets. which are you? Dust514 Stats, Have you updated today? I do maths, and sit in a corner.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4070	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:45:00 - [34] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe. See that's where I disagree but I appreciate your opinion and input. Where do you think is the flaw in that? The Gallente have noble concepts but so do the Amarr, like with all democracies such is fine in peace time but ultimately is a weak kind of government that doesn't have the same drive and motivation as monarchies, dictatorships, and such. I dislike the Gallente because I see lies in everything they stand for, nothing personal, and this has no bearing on my opinions IRL, but to me the Gallente stink of false promises and empty words. The Amarr promise a much harder path but one that is ultimately going to be better for humanity in the long run, that ends in the same place as the Gallente. Civil liberties are nice sure, but unity and solidarity, even at the cost of our freedoms are ultimately going to benefit humanity more in the environment New Eden is. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 638	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:54:00 - [35] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe. See that's where I disagree but I appreciate your opinion and input. Where do you think is the flaw in that? Gal = USA Cal = Russia Amarr = China Min = Middle East Lol I like it, sorta makes sense. Only I think that USA is 2/3 Cal + 1/3 Gal.
Lea Silencio Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 632	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:57:00 - [36] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'm Bad guy who sometimes makes good decisions, but at the end of the day i'm all about "F*ck you, got mine" Done things so bad i can't even speak of them... Lol...I think I am the exact opposite of Vik. I'm used to being the good guy...the "voice of reason", but I do have a somewhat evil side that comes out in me if pushed. I think we all do. I operate on an honor system but irritate me and I may decide to take a sh!t on your KDR in games...for fun. Purification. It's what I do.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2105	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:01:00 - [37] - Quote Good to those I care for, and the newberrys, indifferent to all else. Need proof: Sinboto and blood have cleaned an objective Valto the Sver squadron's logi goes in for the hack, Sinboto having seen the unnoticed RE yells at him to jump off, two members of another squadron rush in for an easy hack only to be terminated by the detonated RE........which Sinboto had shot with his MD. When asked why he'd done it by Valto at a later time he replied with: "Because it nabbed me a free 12 points and a hack, unlike my affection for you and your wellbeing I care not for them or their gear." Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 715	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:01:00 - [38] - Quote Neutral. Boba Fett is my hero. He does it for the money and so do EVE and DUST characters. If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen! -Steven Wright
Aseair The Immortal 514 35	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:03:00 - [39] - Quote You want to ask if I'm a good guy or a bad guy? Pssh. I'm a mercenary. You want to pay me to stab that guy over there because your ideals are different? Cool. Oh, yeah, but guess what? He just offered me more to stab you instead Memento vos sunt immortales
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 683	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:05:00 - [40] - Quote I am always good. It's the kind of guy I am, even my bad guys are good. I don't like to stray too far from reality.

Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 780	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:09:00 - [41] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe. See that's where I disagree but I appreciate your opinion and input. Where do you think is the flaw in that? The Gallente have noble concepts but so do the Amarr, like with all democracies such is fine in peace time but ultimately is a weak kind of government that doesn't have the same drive and motivation as monarchies, dictatorships, and such. I dislike the Gallente because I see lies in everything they stand for, nothing personal, and this has no bearing on my opinions IRL, but to me the Gallente stink of false promises and empty words. The Amarr promise a much harder path but one that is ultimately going to be better for humanity in the long run, that ends in the same place as the Gallente. Civil liberties are nice sure, but unity and solidarity, even at the cost of our freedoms are ultimately going to benefit humanity more in the environment New Eden is. I wouldn't say democracies can only function well in peace time. I will use my home, the US, as an example. It's definitely a democracy, and definitely a world power. It has the largest military in the world, and has only had 11 years of peace time since it was founded, less than 5% of its time as a nation has been without conflict. We thrive on war and conflict it seems. I would expand further on this, but I don't want to get too heavily into US politics. It would be more accurate to say democracies work slower than other govt' types. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 927	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:17:00 - [42] - Quote Chaotic Good FTW!!!! "Just another piece of duct tape" Equality Event
Zero Notion Wraith Company 306	Posted - 2013.11.11 09:43:00 - [43] - Quote Good? Bad? Frivolous and meaningless concepts of the foolish. Immortal beings are beyond such moral compartmentalizing, beyond those exercises in restriction that bind them to their death-aware reality. Any mortal meanderings that hope to define the nature of a thing are shaped by their pitifully short years; they could never dream of the wants and desires that an immortal mercenary comes to suffuse their being with. The eyes of the men and women who had lived in the now burnt out husks of the planets we have scoured show the truth of things - they might as well have been looking upon furious, divine messengers who have come to speak the glorious message of War. And that message is: Carnage. Good? Bad? Ask them whose cities and worlds we use to stage our brutal wars. Ask those that cower in the ruined shells of their cities after we have sated our thirst for the violence that drives us into our deathless war. You can ask them if you can find any survivors in the ashes. I never bother with the opinion of mere ants myself. (As told by an Amarrian immortal super soldier implanted with alien neurotechnology: surely nothing could ever go wrong with that! Personally, I don't see my dude as good or bad or neutral. He's just in motion, acting in the moment, responding to those moments in a terrible display of violence.)
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4071	Posted - 2013.11.11 10:21:00 - [44] - Quote Zero Notion wrote: Good? Bad? Frivolous and meaningless concepts of the foolish. Immortal beings are beyond such moral compartmentalizing, beyond those exercises in restriction that bind them to their death-aware reality. Any mortal meanderings that hope to define the nature of a thing are shaped by their pitifully short years; they could never dream of the wants and desires that an immortal mercenary comes to suffuse their being with. The eyes of the men and women who had lived in the now burnt out husks of the planets we have scoured show the truth of things - they might as well have been looking upon furious, divine messengers who have come to speak the glorious message of War. And that message is: Carnage. Good? Bad? Ask them whose cities and worlds we use to stage our brutal wars. Ask those that cower in the ruined shells of their cities after we have sated our thirst for the violence that drives us into our deathless war. You can ask them if you can find any survivors in the ashes. I never bother with the opinion of mere ants myself. (As told by an Amarrian immortal super soldier implanted with alien neurotechnology: surely nothing could ever go wrong with that! Personally, I don't see my dude as good or bad or neutral. He's just in motion, acting in the moment, responding to those moments in a terrible display of violence.) You represent a great danger that I hope never fully manifests in our kind. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 956	Posted - 2013.11.11 10:30:00 - [45] - Quote I'm not good or evil, I'm mad! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1206	Posted - 2013.11.11 11:30:00 - [46] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Neutral. Boba Fett is my hero. He does it for the money and so do EVE and DUST characters. Jango ( may be spelled wrong) did for money and an unaltered clone and Boba did it for revenge on the Jedis that killed his father. All good reasons. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1206	Posted - 2013.11.11 11:35:00 - [47] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe. See that's where I disagree but I appreciate your opinion and input. Where do you think is the flaw in that? The Gallente have noble concepts but so do the Amarr, like with all democracies such is fine in peace time but ultimately is a weak kind of government that doesn't have the same drive and motivation as monarchies, dictatorships, and such. I dislike the Gallente because I see lies in everything they stand for, nothing personal, and this has no bearing on my opinions IRL, but to me the Gallente stink of false promises and empty words. The Amarr promise a much harder path but one that is ultimately going to be better for humanity in the long run, that ends in the same place as the Gallente. Civil liberties are nice sure, but unity and solidarity, even at the cost of our freedoms are ultimately going to benefit humanity more in the environment New Eden is. I wouldn't say democracies can only function well in peace time. I will use my home, the US, as an example. It's definitely a democracy, and definitely a world power. It has the largest military in the world, and has only had 11 years of peace time since it was founded, less than 5% of its time as a nation has been without conflict. We thrive on war and conflict it seems. I would expand further on this, but I don't want to get too heavily into US politics. It would be more accurate to say democracies work slower than other govt' types. We live in a represtative republic - which a type of a democracy - not a full blow democracy. A democracy is basically mob rule. We don't have much peace time because we deploy all over the world instead of minding our business. Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
Cpl Foster USMC Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 308	Posted - 2013.11.11 12:34:00 - [48] - Quote bad guy...because... I don't care who wins...I'm just here for the killin'...
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis Dragonaors 95	Posted - 2013.11.11 15:19:00 - [49] - Quote I'm fighting for the greater good of my people, but some might suggest my methods are to... harsh on the Federation troops. I've been called a murder by the enemy many times over. I only wish to break their morale and kill as many Galleneteans as possible. The humans are always so scared of death it amuses me of what they'll do to stay alive.
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 313	Posted - 2013.11.11 15:29:00 - [50] - Quote My character is a 7 foot 4 tall misanthropic massmurdering rethard, but that loves animals. Especially kittens.

Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 218	Posted - 2013.11.11 16:01:00 - [51] - Quote I'm just a guy trying to get paid. Though I do admit I enjoy it a bit more if I'm paid to shoot Amarr . No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
MySpaceTom Xer Cloud Consortium 39	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:53:00 - [52] - Quote I am good. "I am Jadek's medulla oblongata. Without me, Jadek could not regulate his heart rate, blood pressure, or breathing." 4920616d204a6164656b204d656e616865696d277320526167696e672042696c652044756374
Jadu Wen Xer Cloud Consortium 150	Posted - 2013.11.11 17:54:00 - [53] - Quote MySpaceTom wrote: I am good. "I am Jadek's medulla oblongata. Without me, Jadek could not regulate his heart rate, blood pressure, or breathing." There you go again; trolling the forums with your alts. Quite clever sir! GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûäGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûÇGûäGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûäGûä GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûê ? SoonGäó
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 865	Posted - 2013.11.11 18:01:00 - [54] - Quote In the eyes of many, I would be a hero. But from all the awful atrocities I committed before becoming immortal, I'd consider myself to be very "bad" indeed. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 719	Posted - 2013.11.11 22:23:00 - [55] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Galente are the true 'good guy'. But they are too two dimmensional cardboard 'democracy' that would have long collapsed in the real world, let alone a futuristic king of the hill universe. I like Caldari because they are the most realistic representation of what future states would be like - aggressive transnational corporations bound by shifting alliances. All other races are just silly cartoons that could never have existed in a real sci-fi universe. See that's where I disagree but I appreciate your opinion and input. Where do you think is the flaw in that? The Gallente have noble concepts but so do the Amarr, like with all democracies such is fine in peace time but ultimately is a weak kind of government that doesn't have the same drive and motivation as monarchies, dictatorships, and such. I dislike the Gallente because I see lies in everything they stand for, nothing personal, and this has no bearing on my opinions IRL, but to me the Gallente stink of false promises and empty words. The Amarr promise a much harder path but one that is ultimately going to be better for humanity in the long run, that ends in the same place as the Gallente. Civil liberties are nice sure, but unity and solidarity, even at the cost of our freedoms are ultimately going to benefit humanity more in the environment New Eden is. I wouldn't say democracies can only function well in peace time. I will use my home, the US, as an example. It's definitely a democracy, and definitely a world power. It has the largest military in the world, and has only had 11 years of peace time since it was founded, less than 5% of its time as a nation has been without conflict. We thrive on war and conflict it seems. I would expand further on this, but I don't want to get too heavily into US politics. It would be more accurate to say democracies work slower than other govt' types. The U.S. is a republic. We're a nation based on law. Democracy is an ideal. Capitalism is our basis and we don't have much peacetime because we like to **** things up. You must always keep any potential enemy destabilized and split. It's a tough job but as long as you are at the top of the heap it is your duty. Because the next guy is just going to do the same to you. It is the spartan ideal. If we were a democracy we'd be dead in the water because democracy is one step right of anarchy. If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen! -Steven Wright
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 719	Posted - 2013.11.11 22:24:00 - [56] - Quote I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There is no one I'd rather be than me. If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen! -Steven Wright
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4076	Posted - 2013.11.11 23:04:00 - [57] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There is no one I'd rather be than me. IM GONNA WRECKIT! "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 2822	Posted - 2013.11.11 23:07:00 - [58] - Quote All who like anime are good, Those that don't are truly evil. GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 0	Posted - 2013.11.11 23:08:00 - [59] - Quote i'm a saint and a sinner 50/50
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4076	Posted - 2013.11.11 23:08:00 - [60] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: All who like anime are good, Those that don't are truly evil. I suppose I am good unless you define specific shows.... then I'm probably ******. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"



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