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KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2373	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:24:00 - [1] - Quote we have The SCR. A weapon that has very HIGH DPS as its MAIN advantage.... ITS BEING CONSIDERED FOR A NERF? Yes this is a rant. Why would you want to NERF a weapon that already requires SO,MUCH, from the user? GÖªLv 3 light weapons (compared to the Lv 1 needed for ARs) GÖªVERY HIGH CPU and PG usage GÖªOVERHEAT mechanic GÖªIn order to Use it to its fullest, An AMarr Assault is preferred (Being the only weapon needs a specific suit to be used better. The laser rifle does not directly apply since it overheats LESS the higher the Tier of the weapon. SCR dont have this) GÖªSemi Auto , not Full auto that TRULY abuses AA mechanics So lets see. Many players have used the weapon saying its the next FOTM and then had to go BACK to their ARs after they learned they actually take some skill. They got killed by an imperial and after realizing the POTENTIAL DPS of the SCR , they whined and got a NERF scheduled for the Scrambler Rifle? Andi say POTENTIAL DPS, because this is in the imaginary scenario you dont miss a single shot,because missing a SCR shot is missing on 80+ PLUS adding overheat to the weapon, while missing an AR bullet is only missing 45 with no consequences. So this is it then? I've already specd into: GÇóScouts GÇóHeavies GÇóAV GÇóHMG GÇóNova knifes GÇóShoguns GÇóCommandos They all got some sort of NERF over the time and as they are NOW they are UP. The commando just has always sucked... And now the only weapon that Works and is BALANCED (Because it IS powerful but it has Way too many drawbacks) and you are considering in NERFING it? 1st-DONT 2nd-If you do nerf it, i want a respec. To be a FOTM chaser as many others. Ive always tried to avoid FOTM trying to look for my own style.Since the SCR came out i've been using it, it felt ,..MINE. If you nerf it i not only DONT want to use SCRs anymore but i will even stop caring about Faction war all together. I would be a Fully pledged Merc. Main reason i stick with amarr (as a Dust player with not a lot of EVE history knowledge) Is because i feel comfort in their weapons,dropsuits and banner. If you take this away from me, then whats the point? 3rd- If you dont give me a respect to go FOTM hunting after you NERF my SCR, you've lost another player . YAY CCP. Rant over. F* you all QQ that are getting the SCR nerfed, SRLSY, F* you. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4047	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:25:00 - [2] - Quote Your rage is strong.... "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1066	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:26:00 - [3] - Quote Neeeeeeerrrf the scr its op all hail Ar 514 "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 194	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:31:00 - [4] - Quote i Think having a variant-tipe of all the Ar is stupid. What's the purpose in having both FULL auto and manual in the same rifle class? Plasma Ar: Full-auto- low range- high DMG Minmatar Ar : Burst- Med dmg, med range, Burst SCR: As it's now, it perfect. Rail Rifle: Full Auto, Long range, Low DMG So when you pick a rifle you know that you have some drawback. Having both full auto and single shot in every class iis really stupid and also make difficult balance the gun game. ...and may the FORGE be with you.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 150	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:36:00 - [5] - Quote What makes you think or have you read somewhere the SCR is getting a nerf. I doubt this is true, there are two new weapons on the way which are more powerful than all the current weapons we have so dropping the damage doesn't make sense. !
Llast 326 An Arkhos 407	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:37:00 - [6] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: >RAGE< I for one agree with you on a number of points about the SCR, it is not an easy weapon to use. And requires more SP than the AR. I actually believe that the AR is to easy to skill into for what it does, and was pondering the value of a skill tree based on Faction choice. Where the Faction determines the skilling cost of weapons. Okay off that tangent I do not feel that the SCR is need of a Nerf, most certainly not until after we have enough content to balance the weapons with each other. I am that Some Margin of Error
General John Ripper 39872	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:40:00 - [7] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: What makes you think or have you read somewhere the SCR is getting a nerf. I doubt this is true, there are two new weapons on the way which are more powerful than all the current weapons we have so dropping the damage doesn't make sense. ! This is just what I wanted to ask. Where is your source that they are thinking of nerfing it? I gave all my isk to Lady Killington and she is giving it away to a few lucky mercs! Message her for more info!
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2373	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:45:00 - [8] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: What makes you think or have you read somewhere the SCR is getting a nerf. I doubt this is true, there are two new weapons on the way which are more powerful than all the current weapons we have so dropping the damage doesn't make sense. ! This is just what I wanted to ask. Where is your source that they are thinking of nerfing it? I've been hearing this for WEEKS now , and in a post True Adamance just told me it was.I usually dont pay attention to the nonsense players say in the forums, but since its adamance and i kind of trust him i took it seriously. Plus. Confirmed or not confirmed , its not any mystery CCP does anything in their power to make AR users happy and it wouldnt be strange for them to try and NERF the SCR. Anyhow, Nerf or no nerf, my rage agains SCR QQ stands. My position IF the SCR gets nerfed, stands too... The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 25	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:45:00 - [9] - Quote Yo it's Oz , my oz account got the nerf hammer for so called " ranting" so carefull, these Ar clowns report anything that's outside their tunnel vision, I feel your pain. I want the scr for my scout but scared of the nerf, I too have had my whole point system screwed, I mean damn the sg finally became usefull after waiting since may! My min scout is crap, novas crap, faylock crap, skilled a logi an gallente scout to adv, but I'm scared to go proto on min logistic due to these morons wanting it nerfed to side arms, I don't even tank with a rifle, I speed shotgun, scanner an links an bombs. I tried a AR last night on a neo gallente scout all platted up an I think is the way but damn I hate rifles, I want the auto scr for range an dps on my scout but I think I ll play it safe an get pro 5 on a pistol, rok the min scout wit 2x complex side arm damage an ish smg, their the only safe weapon non nerf " knock on wood". Anyway be careful of the forum rats.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2373	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:47:00 - [10] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: I want the auto scr for range an dps on my scout but I think I ll play it safe an get pro 5 on a pistol, rok the min scout wit 2x complex side arm damage an ish smg, their the only safe weapon non nerf " knock on wood". Anyway be careful of the forum rats. GÖªASCR DOES NOT have more range than the ARs,at least not as it is. GÖªF forum rats I truly dont give a s* anymore. They nerf the SCR, this game is dead to me anyways.... The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....

Cosgar ParagonX 7611	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:48:00 - [11] - Quote Mass Driver, Grenades, Forge Guns, Flaylock, Shotguns, ScR Pistol and ScR, what do they all have in common? People get butt hurt over alpha damage. I don't think the ScR is going to be nerfed, maybe re-balanced along with everything since hit detection is fixed, but not a nerf. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1235	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:52:00 - [12] - Quote Nerf the amarr suit problem solved...you dumb hippies are going to get my carthum nerfed because they won't stop with just the regular scrambler I'm everyone's type
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 936	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:53:00 - [13] - Quote The charge shot mechanic needs to have more overheat. Non Amarr Assault users should only be allowed one or two follow up shots after a charged shot (or maybe even auto overheat when releasing a charge shot). Amarr Assault, obviously, will be able to throw down 25% more bullets before overheat. The purpose is to help alleviate DPS issues (charge shot + spam) and to make the charge shot a more situational mechanic that rewards "marksmanship", or in other words, rewards headshots. Currently, I can charge a shot, hip fire in CQC, and if I miss, I still have 12 rounds before overheat (more than enough to take down a blueberry or at least do critical damage), or If I landed a direct hit, I got lucky. In long range, people don't even stand a chance unless there are multiple enemies team firing on me.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2375	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:55:00 - [14] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Nerf the amarr suit problem solved...you dumb hippies are going to get my carthum nerfed because they won't stop with just the regular scrambler NERF.THE.AMARR.SUIT> ARE YOU INSANE!>? The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2376	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:01:00 - [15] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: The charge shot mechanic needs to have more overheat. Non Amarr Assault users should only be allowed one or two follow up shots after a charged shot (or maybe even auto overheat when releasing a charge shot). Amarr Assault, obviously, will be able to throw down 25% more bullets before overheat. The purpose is to help alleviate DPS issues (charge shot + spam) and to make the charge shot a more situational mechanic that rewards "marksmanship", or in other words, rewards headshots. Currently, I can charge a shot, hip fire in CQC, and if I miss, I still have 12 rounds before overheat (more than enough to take down a blueberry or at least do critical damage), or If I landed a direct hit, I got lucky. In long range, people don't even stand a chance unless there are multiple enemies team firing on me. ok 1st:Non Amarr Assault users should only be allowed one or two follow up shots after a charged shot (or maybe even auto overheat when releasing a charge shot). Amarr Assault, obviously, will be able to throw down 25% more bullets before overheat. HOW MUCH, is 25% of 1 or 2 more bullets? 0.5 bullets more? So a PROTO amarr SCR user has the right after investing SP in the weapon AND the suit that GOES with the weapon,the right to shoot 1 more bullet after a charged shot than none amarr useras,for a grand total of 3. Seems Crappy to me.I think i deserve after the MASSIVE SP investment in both Proto SCR and PROTO AMarr assault FOR the SCR , to get tentitled at LEAST to 10shots after a charged one,you know to be able to kill AT LEAST 2 enemies, seems fair considering with a 60 bullet clip of a duvolle i can kill 5+ Redberries... The purpose is to help alleviate DPS issues (charge shot + spam) and to make the charge shot a more situational mechanic that rewards "marksmanship", or in other words, rewards headshots. There are no DPS issues. The Weapon overheats whether you liek it or not,making it a GREAT 1 v 1 weapon, a sucky weapon vs Groups / squads of 3+ enemies. SITUATIONAL weapon bro. Currently, I can charge a shot, hip fire in CQC, and if I miss, I still have 12 rounds before overheat (more than enough to take down a blueberry or at least do critical damage), or If I landed a direct hit, I got lucky. Again you are talking about a 1 v 1 engagement. What if there are 2 or 3+ of them? its not like you have a Duvolle that can kill them all in 12 bullets with PERFECT accuracy. In long range, people don't even stand a chance unless there are multiple enemies team firing on me. Both LAser Rifles , AR rifles will make short of a SCR user in ''long range'' your best bet is mid range combat with SCR.(Sadly) The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
8213 Grade No.2 629	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:01:00 - [16] - Quote The first day I used the SCR, is the day I knew it was a matter of time before it was pegged by the nerf hammer. I won't be surprised if CCP nerfed it, because gosh forbid that gun gets into skilled hands. Just because someone makes it look easy, doesn't mean it is. This gun has balance built into it, and it has multiple counters to it in game... but that's not enough apparently. BLAME THE IGNORANCE! 99% of my SCR kills come from some guy who thinks he can charge right at me or Its me shooting someone in the back running away, because they didn't take their position into account. "I'm a Prototype with 1000HP, nothing can kill me la la la dee la... WHAT? Killed by an SCR in 20 shots!? NERF!!!!!" Semi-auto weapons in this game already get nerfed enough because of lag. Next will be profile dampeners. Even though the best Scanner can scan through the best Dampening setup.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1138	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:04:00 - [17] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Nerf the amarr suit problem solved...you dumb hippies are going to get my carthum nerfed because they won't stop with just the regular scrambler NERF.THE.AMARR.SUIT> ARE YOU INSANE!>? This Amarr are the most underpowered as a race, if anything they need the smallest of buffs across the board. The ScR is fine in my opinion, especially if comparing it to the Assault Rifle. The AScR I can't talk about as I've never nutted up and used it. I have ScR to IV, just never thought to use it. I'll have an opinion later :3 ECM Equipment
Canari Elphus Ancient Exiles 870	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:05:00 - [18] - Quote I am fine with adding a little more heat to the charge shot but if they mess with the base damage or the ROF I too will be gone. I enjoy the risk/reward of the SCR over the spray AR and is the reason I spec'd into it. Proud Sponsor of the United Lamp Post Defense Fund. "Protecting Our Skies For A Better Tomorrow" ¯¯¯¦¬¯`GÇó.__Gÿ+
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1236	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:05:00 - [19] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Nerf the amarr suit problem solved...you dumb hippies are going to get my carthum nerfed because they won't stop with just the regular scrambler NERF.THE.AMARR.SUIT> ARE YOU INSANE!>? No you're right don't nerf what actually makes the scr op nerf the scr so its useless unless you have amarr assault I'm everyone's type
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1109	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:07:00 - [20] - Quote Source for nerf rage? ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 100/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù

8213 Grade No.2 631	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:08:00 - [21] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: The charge shot mechanic needs to have more overheat. Non Amarr Assault users should only be allowed one or two follow up shots after a charged shot (or maybe even auto overheat when releasing a charge shot). Amarr Assault, obviously, will be able to throw down 25% more bullets before overheat. The purpose is to help alleviate DPS issues (charge shot + spam) and to make the charge shot a more situational mechanic that rewards "marksmanship", or in other words, rewards headshots. Currently, I can charge a shot, hip fire in CQC, and if I miss, I still have 12 rounds before overheat (more than enough to take down a blueberry or at least do critical damage), or If I landed a direct hit, I got lucky. In long range, people don't even stand a chance unless there are multiple enemies team firing on me. ... I stopped reading after you said 1-2 follow up shots before over heat. So, if I can only be allowed to do 500 damage before I have to wait 4 seconds for my gun to cool down? So anything that isn't a starter fit can kill me? Last I checked, the AR was allowed to do 1800 damage before running out of ammo. The MD gets 1200. The sniper gets 1000, The SCR gets 1200 to IF you land every shot after the Charge Shot; a perfect volley. So if it does the same amount of damage as every other weapon, why does it get gimped? It shouldn't be the user's fault that he out played the other guy, because his gun requires the MOST SKILL IN GAME to be dominate with it.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 994	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:09:00 - [22] - Quote what is with all these recent scram rifle threads? For the Empire! Dual tanking is a sin. Well fuck me I can say fuck in my sig, who knew?
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2380	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:10:00 - [23] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Nerf the amarr suit problem solved...you dumb hippies are going to get my carthum nerfed because they won't stop with just the regular scrambler NERF.THE.AMARR.SUIT> ARE YOU INSANE!>? No you're right don't nerf what actually makes the scr op nerf the scr so its useless unless you have amarr assault The SCR is not OP in ANY way. Is the player that makes it OP or Crappy. ''nerf the scr so its useless unless you have amarr assault'' I would LOVE this , but kills diversity sadly.Its already difficult enough to use SCR without aMarr ass as it is... The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2471	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:11:00 - [24] - Quote So you are ranting based on a rumor, while you are presenting it as fact; am I missing something? Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2380	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:13:00 - [25] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: So you are ranting based on a rumor, while you are presenting it as fact; am I missing something? Nope, you are not,its more liek a Threat BASED on a rumor. Nerf the SCR , and im leaving. PLUS SUM delicious rant vs butthurtz QQer vs SCR. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1333	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:13:00 - [26] - Quote The Scrambler Rifle is the most balanced weapon in this game. I swear, when people say that the SR is OP, I ask them if they think the AR is OP. Of course they tell me no, but look at the AR for a second: -No kick or dispersion when ADS for 30 shots (half a clip), which resets when trigger is let go. -Can hit perfectly on target at 100 meters away by abusing this ^ -Can chew through 650 hp per second by aiming at a player's body and holding a button. The AR should feel like the AR from Halo, or Resistance, or ANY OTHER GAME. I mean is it really that hard to understand this? If you've ever played another FPS, you know that ARs are balanced by dispersion at range. Other long-range weapons dominate ARs because ARs can't punch a whole clip into another player's skull at long distances as ADS only tightens the spread a bit instead of REMOVING IT ALTOGETHER. ARs in other games feel like the HMG in this game. The AR in this game feels like an automatic sniper. Gah. At least the combat rifle is coming. I'm excited for that. Links: List of Important Topics I make logistics videos!
8213 Grade No.2 631	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:16:00 - [27] - Quote This may be a rumor. But quite honestly, its about time we take PREVENTATIVE measure against' CCP's bullsh*t. Because quite frankly, have their patch updates are things nobody talks about in-game, on the forums, on twitter, etc... Where do they get these ideas? They are off in their own little world, thinking they know what's best for the FPS community, when they are rookies to the game. I hope its a rumor, but I've been hearing it in-game over squad chats more and more this week... Can't CCP just stop with the nerf/buffs until all the weapons get put into the game? Can't they just do that for once?
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2380	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:17:00 - [28] - Quote 8213 wrote: This may be a rumor. But quite honestly, its about time we take PREVENTATIVE measure against' CCP's bullsht. Because quite frankly, have their patch updates are things nobody talks about in-game, on the forums, on twitter, etc... Where do they get these ideas? They are off in their own little world, thinking they know what's best for the FPS community, when they are rookies to the game. I hope its a rumor, but I've been hearing it in-game over squad chats more and more this week... Can't CCP just stop with the nerf/buffs until all the weapons get put into the game? Can't they just do that for once? THANK YOU>* Im not going to wait till they ACTUALLY nerf it to rant.... The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 936	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:20:00 - [29] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Protocake JR wrote: The charge shot mechanic needs to have more overheat. Non Amarr Assault users should only be allowed one or two follow up shots after a charged shot (or maybe even auto overheat when releasing a charge shot). Amarr Assault, obviously, will be able to throw down 25% more bullets before overheat. The purpose is to help alleviate DPS issues (charge shot + spam) and to make the charge shot a more situational mechanic that rewards "marksmanship", or in other words, rewards headshots. Currently, I can charge a shot, hip fire in CQC, and if I miss, I still have 12 rounds before overheat (more than enough to take down a blueberry or at least do critical damage), or If I landed a direct hit, I got lucky. In long range, people don't even stand a chance unless there are multiple enemies team firing on me. ok 1st:Non Amarr Assault users should only be allowed one or two follow up shots after a charged shot (or maybe even auto overheat when releasing a charge shot). Amarr Assault, obviously, will be able to throw down 25% more bullets before overheat. HOW MUCH, is 25% of 1 or 2 more bullets? 0.5 bullets more? So a PROTO amarr SCR user has the right after investing SP in the weapon AND the suit that GOES with the weapon,the right to shoot 1 more bullet after a charged shot than none amarr useras,for a grand total of 3. Seems Crappy to me.I think i deserve after the MASSIVE SP investment in both Proto SCR and PROTO AMarr assault FOR the SCR , to get tentitled at LEAST to 10shots after a charged one,you know to be able to kill AT LEAST 2 enemies, seems fair considering with a 60 bullet clip of a duvolle i can kill 5+ Redberries... The purpose is to help alleviate DPS issues (charge shot + spam) and to make the charge shot a more situational mechanic that rewards "marksmanship", or in other words, rewards headshots. There are no DPS issues. The Weapon overheats whether you liek it or not,making it a GREAT 1 v 1 weapon, a sucky weapon vs Groups / squads of 3+ enemies. SITUATIONAL weapon bro. Currently, I can charge a shot, hip fire in CQC, and if I miss, I still have 12 rounds before overheat (more than enough to take down a blueberry or at least do critical damage), or If I landed a direct hit, I got lucky. Again you are talking about a 1 v 1 engagement. What if there are 2 or 3+ of them? its not like you have a Duvolle that can kill them all in 12 bullets with PERFECT accuracy. In long range, people don't even stand a chance unless there are multiple enemies team firing on me. Both LAser Rifles , AR rifles will make short of a SCR user in ''long range'' your best bet is mid range combat with SCR.(Sadly) I stopped reading after after b. You've misunderstood me and/or the way the gun works. What I asked for is a greater heat build up value for the charged shot so that non ammar assaults can use up to two follow up shots immediately after a charge shot. Amarr Assault reduces heat the heat build up of regular AND charge shots. In other words, Amarr Assault will give you the same bonus as it does now because it effects heat build up. IT DOES NOT MULTIPLY THE REMAINDER OF POTENTIAL SHOTS LEFT BY 25% OR WHATEVER CRAZY MATH YOU THOUGHT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. Also, you seem to have a very novice mentality of the scrambler rifle and other weapons (like ARs and LRs). Your arguments are riddled with more emotion than logic and rationality. Due to your obvious scrubbiness, gross misunderstanding of the Scr and other weapons you have lost all credibility. The only thing you can offer is a novice point of view.
Eris Ernaga State Patriots 685	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:23:00 - [30] - Quote Scrambler rifles use to take skill before Aim Assist now they are just as OP. Ba bang baby

Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 249	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:27:00 - [31] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: Scrambler rifles use to take skill before Aim Assist now they are just as OP. Flaming balls of fire inbound.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4050	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:27:00 - [32] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: General John Ripper wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: What makes you think or have you read somewhere the SCR is getting a nerf. I doubt this is true, there are two new weapons on the way which are more powerful than all the current weapons we have so dropping the damage doesn't make sense. ! This is just what I wanted to ask. Where is your source that they are thinking of nerfing it? I've been hearing this for WEEKS now , and in a post True Adamance just told me it was.I usually dont pay attention to the nonsense players say in the forums, but since its adamance and i kind of trust him i took it seriously. Plus. Confirmed or not confirmed , its not any mystery CCP does anything in their power to make AR users happy and it wouldnt be strange for them to try and NERF the SCR. Anyhow, Nerf or no nerf, my rage agains SCR QQ stands. My position IF the SCR gets nerfed, stands too... Lol I know as little as you about this game.... its my opinion that it will be.... I am naturally pessimistic.... "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2383	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:28:00 - [33] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Due to your obvious scrubbiness, gross misunderstanding of the Scr and other weapons you have lost all credibility. The only thing you can offer is a novice point of view. Well now this is YOUR opinion.And i dont give a crp about it X3 As it is Killing anything BUT 1 reddot at the time is very hard with the SCR DUE to the Overheat mechanic. You think since you come and talk pretty you are right? No bro ,words are words and the SCR needs no change, again in anycase , a RANGE buff. Your idea is stupid , plain and simple. By reducing the amount of shots fired AFTER the charged shot to 1 or 2 you are atually giving the SCR the the WORST DPS of all light weapons. Writing skills 10 Ideas 1 The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....*
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2384	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:29:00 - [34] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: Scrambler rifles use to take skill before Aim Assist now they are just as OP. What weapon do you use as main weapon? And dont lie because i'll find out. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 2801	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:30:00 - [35] - Quote Honestly the scrambler rifle (semi auto variant) is a really good weapon. It's extremely good in 1v1 situations however in 1v2s and up its hard because you will overheat unless they are mlt gear noobs. The AR is equally as good, though I would say that the scrambler takes more skill. I think the nerfing is coming from ppl who lose to it in 1v1 situations. So yeah it's OP in 1v1s Edit: it should be OP in 1v1s. It's an amarr weapon after all. Just like the scrambler pistol is OP in close range 1v1s GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 2
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2384	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:32:00 - [36] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Source for nerf rage? CCP tendency to nerf any good weapons that are not ARs and random Rumors. :3 The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
Canari Elphus Ancient Exiles 873	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:35:00 - [37] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Source for nerf rage? CCP tendency to nerf any good weapons that are not ARs and random Rumors. :3 Well, the one thing to keep in mind is that they never nerfed the MD despite numerous rage posts on the forums. If anything, their recent history with non-AV weaponry has been to buff it. Proud Sponsor of the United Lamp Post Defense Fund. "Protecting Our Skies For A Better Tomorrow" ¯¯¯¦¬¯`GÇó.__Gÿ+
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1141	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:37:00 - [38] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Nerf the amarr suit problem solved...you dumb hippies are going to get my carthum nerfed because they won't stop with just the regular scrambler NERF.THE.AMARR.SUIT> ARE YOU INSANE!>? No you're right don't nerf what actually makes the scr op nerf the scr so its useless unless you have amarr assault Aren't all weapons supposed to have elements of this? That's how it is in EVE after all. And if you are complaining about the AScR, doesn't it just not overheat period, due to the low heat buildup inherent in its model? The Amarr suit doe not add any DPS to the ScR, just DPM because you can fire more shots before having to stop. It allows you more margin of error and the ability to attempt multiple takedowns, but doesn't help you directly. ECM Equipment
Vegetation Monster The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 63	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:39:00 - [39] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: we have The SCR. A weapon that has very HIGH DPS as its MAIN advantage.... ITS BEING CONSIDERED FOR A NERF? Yes this is a rant. Why would you want to NERF a weapon that already requires SO,MUCH, from the user? GÖªLv 3 light weapons (compared to the Lv 1 needed for ARs) GÖªVERY HIGH CPU and PG usage GÖªOVERHEAT mechanic GÖªIn order to Use it to its fullest, An AMarr Assault is preferred (Being the only weapon needs a specific suit to be used better. The laser rifle does not directly apply since it overheats LESS the higher the Tier of the weapon. SCR dont have this) GÖªSemi Auto , not Full auto that TRULY abuses AA mechanics GÖªThe weapon has a 120% BONUS vs shields that sounds good on paper, but when you consider the 80% efficiency vs ARMOR you know, the thing you need to get through to ACTUALLY KILL THE ENEMY, then it becomes a proble. EVEN MORE considering armor tanking is the flavor of the month. So lets see. Many players have used the weapon saying its the next FOTM and then had to go BACK to their ARs after they learned they actually take some skill. They got killed by an imperial and after realizing the POTENTIAL DPS of the SCR , they whined and got a NERF scheduled for the Scrambler Rifle? Andi say POTENTIAL DPS, because this is in the imaginary scenario you dont miss a single shot,because missing a SCR shot is missing on 80+ PLUS adding overheat to the weapon, while missing an AR bullet is only missing 45 with no consequences. So this is it then? I've already specd into: GÇóScouts GÇóHeavies GÇóAV GÇóHMG GÇóNova knifes GÇóShoguns GÇóCommandos They all got some sort of NERF over the time and as they are NOW they are UP. The commando just has always sucked... And now the only weapon that Works and is BALANCED (Because it IS powerful but it has Way too many drawbacks) and you are considering in NERFING it? 1st-DONT 2nd-If you do nerf it, i want a respec. To be a FOTM chaser as many others. Ive always tried to avoid FOTM trying to look for my own style.Since the SCR came out i've been using it, it felt ,..MINE. If you nerf it i not only DONT want to use SCRs anymore but i will even stop caring about Faction war all together. I would be a Fully pledged Merc. Main reason i stick with amarr (as a Dust player with not a lot of EVE history knowledge) Is because i feel comfort in their weapons,dropsuits and banner. If you take this away from me, then whats the point? 3rd- If you dont give me a respect to go FOTM hunting after you NERF my SCR, you've lost another player . YAY CCP. Rant over. ** you all QQ that are getting the SCR nerfed, SRLSY, ** u. now you know what tankers feel. Btw- their are no positives to tanks other than distracting the other team with a juicy isk prize. B Double O T Y
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1142	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:41:00 - [40] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: we have The SCR. A weapon that has very HIGH DPS as its MAIN advantage.... ITS BEING CONSIDERED FOR A NERF? Yes this is a rant. Why would you want to NERF a weapon that already requires SO,MUCH, from the user? GÖªLv 3 light weapons (compared to the Lv 1 needed for ARs) GÖªVERY HIGH CPU and PG usage GÖªOVERHEAT mechanic GÖªIn order to Use it to its fullest, An AMarr Assault is preferred (Being the only weapon needs a specific suit to be used better. The laser rifle does not directly apply since it overheats LESS the higher the Tier of the weapon. SCR dont have this) GÖªSemi Auto , not Full auto that TRULY abuses AA mechanics GÖªThe weapon has a 120% BONUS vs shields that sounds good on paper, but when you consider the 80% efficiency vs ARMOR you know, the thing you need to get through to ACTUALLY KILL THE ENEMY, then it becomes a proble. EVEN MORE considering armor tanking is the flavor of the month. So lets see. Many players have used the weapon saying its the next FOTM and then had to go BACK to their ARs after they learned they actually take some skill. They got killed by an imperial and after realizing the POTENTIAL DPS of the SCR , they whined and got a NERF scheduled for the Scrambler Rifle? Andi say POTENTIAL DPS, because this is in the imaginary scenario you dont miss a single shot,because missing a SCR shot is missing on 80+ PLUS adding overheat to the weapon, while missing an AR bullet is only missing 45 with no consequences. So this is it then? I've already specd into: GÇóScouts GÇóHeavies GÇóAV GÇóHMG GÇóNova knifes GÇóShoguns GÇóCommandos They all got some sort of NERF over the time and as they are NOW they are UP. The commando just has always sucked... And now the only weapon that Works and is BALANCED (Because it IS powerful but it has Way too many drawbacks) and you are considering in NERFING it? 1st-DONT 2nd-If you do nerf it, i want a respec. To be a FOTM chaser as many others. Ive always tried to avoid FOTM trying to look for my own style.Since the SCR came out i've been using it, it felt ,..MINE. If you nerf it i not only DONT want to use SCRs anymore but i will even stop caring about Faction war all together. I would be a Fully pledged Merc. Main reason i stick with amarr (as a Dust player with not a lot of EVE history knowledge) Is because i feel comfort in their weapons,dropsuits and banner. If you take this away from me, then whats the point? 3rd- If you dont give me a respect to go FOTM hunting after you NERF my SCR, you've lost another player . YAY CCP. Rant over. ** you all QQ that are getting the SCR nerfed, SRLSY, ** u. now you know what tankers feel. Amarr have been suffering in this game far before HAV players :p Literally, Heavy and HMG nerfs hit before the removal of the Marauder class HAVs. ECM Equipment

KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2387	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:43:00 - [41] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: now you know what tankers feel Yup true that but i aint going to make 3000 posts about this. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1237	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:49:00 - [42] - Quote Zero Harpuia wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Nerf the amarr suit problem solved...you dumb hippies are going to get my carthum nerfed because they won't stop with just the regular scrambler NERF.THE.AMARR.SUIT> ARE YOU INSANE!>? No you're right don't nerf what actually makes the scr op nerf the scr so its useless unless you have amarr assault Aren't all weapons supposed to have elements of this? That's how it is in EVE after all. And if you are complaining about the AScR, doesn't it just not overheat period, due to the low heat buildup inherent in its model? The Amarr suit doe not add any DPS to the ScR, just DPM because you can fire more shots before having to stop. It allows you more margin of error and the ability to attempt multiple takedowns, but doesn't help you directly. You guys should read the whole fkn thread the scr is not op maybe if someone has an amarr assault and really fast trigger finger...ascr overheats half way into second clip..I've been pro5 in scramblers since they were released so km sure I know how they work I was saying the only reason why it seems op is cuz the amarr assault and to nerf it before you nerf the damn gun I'm everyone's type
Gabriella Grey The Neutral Zone 85	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:52:00 - [43] - Quote I don't think they will Nerf the scrambler. As it is now all the weapons at the moment since the update have been turned on their heads. Some needing better hit detection, and other things that plagued them. The weapons that seem to have suffered from this update are the semi-automatic scrambler rifles, scrambler pistols, HMG's, and turrets in general. All variants of the AR seem to have a range and no fall off. Sadly at the moment this includes the assault scrambler as well. I have seen quite a few people picked off with one from a longer distance than they are normally allowed. Though it is also more evident that even the Militia AR clearly has a big advantage than the other class of guns by the increase in their use in players who are skilled in other weapons trying to make a difference in matches. I am sure CCP will fix this soon as the lack of diversity will significantly cut player interests. I have to give it to team kong though. They are trying to implement two very big serious reworks in 1.7. Adding and adjusting infantry weapons, while fixing vehicles. If this gets pulled off successfully just in time for the holidays, I am sure CCP will increase their fan base. You also have to wonder how the Dev's are who are working non stop on these patch updates. Has to be brutal!
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2387	Posted - 2013.11.11 01:56:00 - [44] - Quote I know ppl. I know. You know what would happen if the SCR gets nerfed? = GÖªBest case scenario, i get a respec, then i look at the weapons and decide, either go FOTM(combat or/and Rail rifles maybe?) or be faithful to my style ,and just stick with SMGs. GÖªMake a Good SMG loadout. GÖªenjoy my time with it. GÖªAnd in 1 or 2 month i'll see the first: ''SMG are OP, i could not kill with my Combar rifle at Optimal range'' or some OTHER BS. GÖªSMG gets nerfed GÖªI'll throw myself out of the window. See my dilema here? I want to live. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 79	Posted - 2013.11.11 02:48:00 - [45] - Quote I THINK YOU SHOULD USE MORE CAPITALS AND BOLDING! Also, you should provide source material for RANTS like this! RAWRRAWRRAWR!
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2390	Posted - 2013.11.11 02:51:00 - [46] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: I THINK YOU SHOULD USE MORE CAPITALS AND BOLDING! Also, you should provide source material for RANTS like this! RAWRRAWRRAWR! Most people dont , talk out of their aes most of the time,so i dont see the necessity to provide Source when most threads dont either.... . Take it as a preventive rant... The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....**
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 572	Posted - 2013.11.11 03:35:00 - [47] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: we have The SCR. A weapon that has very HIGH DPS as its MAIN advantage.... ITS BEING CONSIDERED FOR A NERF? Yes this is a rant. Why would you want to NERF a weapon that already requires SO,MUCH, from the user? GÖªLv 3 light weapons (compared to the Lv 1 needed for ARs) GÖªVERY HIGH CPU and PG usage GÖªOVERHEAT mechanic GÖªIn order to Use it to its fullest, An AMarr Assault is preferred (Being the only weapon needs a specific suit to be used better. The laser rifle does not directly apply since it overheats LESS the higher the Tier of the weapon. SCR dont have this) GÖªSemi Auto , not Full auto that TRULY abuses AA mechanics GÖªThe weapon has a 120% BONUS vs shields that sounds good on paper, but when you consider the 80% efficiency vs ARMOR you know, the thing you need to get through to ACTUALLY KILL THE ENEMY, then it becomes a proble. EVEN MORE considering armor tanking is the flavor of the month. So lets see. Many players have used the weapon saying its the next FOTM and then had to go BACK to their ARs after they learned they actually take some skill. They got killed by an imperial and after realizing the POTENTIAL DPS of the SCR , they whined and got a NERF scheduled for the Scrambler Rifle? Andi say POTENTIAL DPS, because this is in the imaginary scenario you dont miss a single shot,because missing a SCR shot is missing on 80+ PLUS adding overheat to the weapon, while missing an AR bullet is only missing 45 with no consequences. So this is it then? I've already specd into: GÇóScouts GÇóHeavies GÇóAV GÇóHMG GÇóNova knifes GÇóShoguns GÇóCommandos They all got some sort of NERF over the time and as they are NOW they are UP. The commando just has always sucked... And now the only weapon that Works and is BALANCED (Because it IS powerful but it has Way too many drawbacks) and you are considering in NERFING it? 1st-DONT 2nd-If you do nerf it, i want a respec. To be a FOTM chaser as many others. Ive always tried to avoid FOTM trying to look for my own style.Since the SCR came out i've been using it, it felt ,..MINE. If you nerf it i not only DONT want to use SCRs anymore but i will even stop caring about Faction war all together. I would be a Fully pledged Merc. Main reason i stick with amarr (as a Dust player with not a lot of EVE history knowledge) Is because i feel comfort in their weapons,dropsuits and banner. If you take this away from me, then whats the point? 3rd- If you dont give me a respect to go FOTM hunting after you NERF my SCR, you've lost another player . YAY CCP. Rant over. ** you all QQ that WANT the SCR nerfed, SRLSY, ** u. Dude why? i spent months skilling into this thing. I have proto and 2 profic and now they saying its getting a nerf. why the hell did i spend all of that time for? You ccp members need to put your foot down and stop listening to the losers who only want the ar to be useful.
DildoMcnutz Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 306	Posted - 2013.11.11 04:03:00 - [48] - Quote I think the whole Scr is getting a nerf is a prediction based on what it will become in 1.7, the range buff is huge, right now the damage i can put out with it is absolutely insane and im getting even more range. The charge shots do crazy damage even in my effective range and now that range is being buffed to 98m!? HOT DAMN! The new optimal is further than the current effective so i think it will be harvesting its fair share of tears come december
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 362	Posted - 2013.11.11 04:03:00 - [49] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: What makes you think or have you read somewhere the SCR is getting a nerf. I doubt this is true, there are two new weapons on the way which are more powerful than all the current weapons we have so dropping the damage doesn't make sense. ! Oh fearless leader, please do me the honor of answering my abysmal question. I know it may be too much to ask but do me the courtesy of answering it. What will happen when you put out weapons that are MORE POWERFUL than the MOST POWERFUL guns in the game? Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 362	Posted - 2013.11.11 04:05:00 - [50] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: I think the whole Scr is getting a nerf is a prediction based on what it will become in 1.7, the range buff is huge, right now the damage i can put out with it is absolutely insane and im getting even more range. The charge shots do crazy damage even in my effective range and now that range is being buffed to 98m!? HOT DAMN! The new optimal is further than the current effective so i think it will be harvesting its fair share of tears come december Why do you think this is good for the game? Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E

DildoMcnutz Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 308	Posted - 2013.11.11 04:10:00 - [51] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: DildoMcnutz wrote: I think the whole Scr is getting a nerf is a prediction based on what it will become in 1.7, the range buff is huge, right now the damage i can put out with it is absolutely insane and im getting even more range. The charge shots do crazy damage even in my effective range and now that range is being buffed to 98m!? HOT DAMN! The new optimal is further than the current effective so i think it will be harvesting its fair share of tears come december Why do you think this is good for the game? I never said it would be good for the game, im stating the reason why i and others probably feel the scrambler will be retuned a bit after december, it will have too much range IMO. but we will see what happens
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2396	Posted - 2013.11.11 04:12:00 - [52] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: Cenex Langly wrote: DildoMcnutz wrote: I think the whole Scr is getting a nerf is a prediction based on what it will become in 1.7, the range buff is huge, right now the damage i can put out with it is absolutely insane and im getting even more range. The charge shots do crazy damage even in my effective range and now that range is being buffed to 98m!? HOT DAMN! The new optimal is further than the current effective so i think it will be harvesting its fair share of tears come december Why do you think this is good for the game? I never said it would be good for the game, im stating the reason why i and others probably feel the scrambler will be retuned a bit after december, it will have too much range IMO. but we will see what happens I think the Rail Rifles will be a good counter vs Scramblers. PLUS Duvolles will still own EVERYTHING inside the 35 mts range, this is not even in doubt.... The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
SoTarian PoParrazi Shining Flame Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2013.11.11 04:17:00 - [53] - Quote just dumped 2mil SP into SCR... Why... did I ever use the HMG?....
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2396	Posted - 2013.11.11 04:19:00 - [54] - Quote SoTarian PoParrazi wrote: just dumped 2mil SP into SCR... Why... did I ever use the HMG?.... Heh. And the SCR does work with Heavies because one of its advantages is that you really DONT need a lot of ammo. Second,Amarr Sentinels DONT feel the impact of SCR rifle FEEDBAKC damage Third, while overheated; Just crouch and then sprint to reset the animation. Tada, Heavy with SCR :3 Still, its not AR huh... The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
Aisha Ctarl PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1683	Posted - 2013.11.11 04:37:00 - [55] - Quote I swear if they nerf the SCR I may have to give anonymous a ring... Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 939	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:09:00 - [56] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: I swear if they nerf the SCR I may have to give anonymous a ring... I think the importance thing to realize is that we need to begin discussing balance rather than crying about a potential nerf. Currently, the scrambler rifle has always been a vets best kept secret. You know why? Because it's not an AR. The imperial scrambler rifle has flown underneath the radar for two reasons: 1) It's ineffective in PC because of the sever performance issues (I can go more into depth on this subject). 2) Scrubs, for some reason, have this notion that the imperial takes a godly amount of skill to use. You think you got one shot because that guys is skilled? Nope. I just spammed the hell out R1. What makes the scram so potent is that it can unleash damage CONSIDERABLEY FASTER than any other gun. And if you start with a charge shot? You've got yourself a, roughly, 500 hp worth of instantanous damage + the 12 rounds of spam you can unleash in less than 2 seconds. I don't want the scram to be nerfed alongside the TAC rifle, it just needs to be balanced better if it wishes to keep it's Alfa DPS.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2077	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:11:00 - [57] - Quote Imperial is the next Tac AR but better
ReGnYuM Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1289	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:32:00 - [58] - Quote SCR is broken and will be even more broken in 1.7 If you continue to squabble in your ignorance it is your funeral. If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR > EVERYTHING
8213 Grade No.2 637	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:37:00 - [59] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: SCR is broken and will be even more broken in 1.7 If you continue to squabble in your ignorance it is your funeral. I'm almost afraid to ask you, but define broken.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 779	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:45:00 - [60] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Imperial is the next Tac AR but better Except it is actually worse than the old TAC AR in many ways. Con's: -less optimum range than the TAC AR -overheats, really easily -laser, not hybrid (not technically worse, but armor has since become a FotM) -it actually has less DPS than the old TAC AR did Not quite a Con, but worth mentioning. -Optical Sight vs ACOG-like scope. I prefer it actually, but I've seen people whine about it. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.

Dengru Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 138	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:46:00 - [61] - Quote Scrambler rifle users seem want to think there is a essential difference between them and other AR users, and that theres some trick and skill to their weapon others cannot pick up on Just like mass driver users liked to think there was a difference between them an other players, and we all remember what happened when everyone spec into proto MDs. People are gonna see..
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2079	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:50:00 - [62] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Imperial is the next Tac AR but better Except it is actually worse than the old TAC AR in many ways. Con's: -less optimum range than the TAC AR -overheats, really easily -laser, not hybrid (not technically worse, but armor has since become a FotM) -it actually has less DPS than the old TAC AR did Not quite a Con, but worth mentioning. -Optical Sight vs ACOG-like scope. I prefer it actually, but I've seen people whine about it. It does more damage per bullet than the TAC AR....rof is up to the trigger man. A lot of this stuff sounds good on paper, but practically, the Imperial is a bigger beast than the TAC AR. The only problem with it is that it overheats. And that is only a problem in CQC situations.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 779	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:54:00 - [63] - Quote Dengru wrote: Scrambler rifle users seem want to think there is a essential difference between them and other AR users, and that theres some trick and skill to their weapon others cannot pick up on Just like mass driver users liked to think there was a difference between them an other players, and we all remember what happened when everyone spec into proto MDs. People are gonna see.. Except there is undoubtedly more skill required to use the ScR effectively than there is to use the AR effectively. If you think they take less than or equal skill than an AR, you are delusional. The ScR has actual drawbacks, something the AR is really lacking. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2079	Posted - 2013.11.11 05:56:00 - [64] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Dengru wrote: Scrambler rifle users seem want to think there is a essential difference between them and other AR users, and that theres some trick and skill to their weapon others cannot pick up on Just like mass driver users liked to think there was a difference between them an other players, and we all remember what happened when everyone spec into proto MDs. People are gonna see.. Except there is undoubtedly more skill required to use the ScR effectively than there is to use the AR effectively. If you think they take less than or equal skill than an AR, you are delusional. The ScR has actual drawbacks, something the AR is really lacking. Besides overheating...what is the difference between the two??
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 779	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:00:00 - [65] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Imperial is the next Tac AR but better Except it is actually worse than the old TAC AR in many ways. Con's: -less optimum range than the TAC AR -overheats, really easily -laser, not hybrid (not technically worse, but armor has since become a FotM) -it actually has less DPS than the old TAC AR did Not quite a Con, but worth mentioning. -Optical Sight vs ACOG-like scope. I prefer it actually, but I've seen people whine about it. It does more damage per bullet than the TAC AR....rof is up to the trigger man. A lot of this stuff sounds good on paper, but practically, the Imperial is a bigger beast than the TAC AR. The only problem with it is that it overheats. And that is only a problem in CQC situations. Are you really forgetting how bad the TAC AR was? It actually replaced Duvolles comepletely. No other weapon has been OP enough to do that, not even the MDs. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2080	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:06:00 - [66] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Imperial is the next Tac AR but better Except it is actually worse than the old TAC AR in many ways. Con's: -less optimum range than the TAC AR -overheats, really easily -laser, not hybrid (not technically worse, but armor has since become a FotM) -it actually has less DPS than the old TAC AR did Not quite a Con, but worth mentioning. -Optical Sight vs ACOG-like scope. I prefer it actually, but I've seen people whine about it. It does more damage per bullet than the TAC AR....rof is up to the trigger man. A lot of this stuff sounds good on paper, but practically, the Imperial is a bigger beast than the TAC AR. The only problem with it is that it overheats. And that is only a problem in CQC situations. Are you really forgetting how bad the TAC AR was? It actually replaced Duvolles comepletely. No other weapon has been OP enough to do that, not even the MDs. I picked up the Imperial and stopped using the Duvolle and the Carthum Assault Scr. The only reason I put it down is because it overheats rather quickly in CQC. But then when I fit an smg in my Cal Assault suit, I have no problem. Will be better once I get my amarr suit.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 779	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:13:00 - [67] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Dengru wrote: Scrambler rifle users seem want to think there is a essential difference between them and other AR users, and that theres some trick and skill to their weapon others cannot pick up on Just like mass driver users liked to think there was a difference between them an other players, and we all remember what happened when everyone spec into proto MDs. People are gonna see.. Except there is undoubtedly more skill required to use the ScR effectively than there is to use the AR effectively. If you think they take less than or equal skill than an AR, you are delusional. The ScR has actual drawbacks, something the AR is really lacking. Besides overheating...what is the difference between the two?? Semi Auto rather than Full auto? Laser instead of Hybrid? Secondary Fire option? The differences are quite obvious. Do you honestly think the AR takes more skill to use effectively than the ScR? [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
Zatara Rought Imperfects 1639	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:16:00 - [68] - Quote TBH I keep hearing about how the scr is OP, but when I use it on my alt (still haven't specc'd it on main yet, don't ask me why ) it doesn't feel way OP until I use a scanner. Knowing every enemies position (I guess most scouts don't use complex damps) just makes the charge shot so easy, and when it overheats I switch to my sidearm. The fact is the dps output has a drawback, sure. The overheat mechanic definitely limits me, but overall with 3 damage mods I can put down 1k damage in a around a second, and the recoil isn't unwieldy. And if I happen to overheat while fighting a just switch to my scrambler pistol and own the rest. Another thing. The charged allows you to handle multiple enemies way easier when they are closing the distance than the ar. In practice you charge a shot and peekaboo out of cover and take out a guy before they have time to react, where the sustained fire from the ar ends up costing you more because of the inevitable return fire. This assumes you have cover of course. I think the coming range buff could be dangerous. No one likes to spec something that is or becomes op. It hurts me to tell other the gallente logi needs a nerf. But I know it does. I'm not positive the scrambler needs a nerf...however I do think the amarr assault + scr is op. The number of shots you can take after a charged shot is just...well it's AMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAZZZZAAAAAAAANNNNGGGG! That's Masternader to you scrub. Skype me @ Zatara.Rought CCP's Motto: "SoonGäó"
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2081	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:20:00 - [69] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Dengru wrote: Scrambler rifle users seem want to think there is a essential difference between them and other AR users, and that theres some trick and skill to their weapon others cannot pick up on Just like mass driver users liked to think there was a difference between them an other players, and we all remember what happened when everyone spec into proto MDs. People are gonna see.. Except there is undoubtedly more skill required to use the ScR effectively than there is to use the AR effectively. If you think they take less than or equal skill than an AR, you are delusional. The ScR has actual drawbacks, something the AR is really lacking. Besides overheating...what is the difference between the two?? Semi Auto rather than Full auto? Laser instead of Hybrid? Secondary Fire option? The differences are quite obvious. Do you honestly think the AR takes more skill to use effectively than the ScR? You can't compare the Imperial to the Duvolle. You would have to compare the Imperial to the Tac AR and the Carthum to the Duvolle. And when you do that, you see that there isn't much difference as far as requiring skill. To me, the scrambler rifle is an assault rifle deviant.....both uses the same shooting mechanics. They just have different qualities as far as bonuses to shield and penalties to armor.
Aqua-Regia 551	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:21:00 - [70] - Quote Been seeing lot of player go to the ScR as of late, maybe it time to nerf it before it get out of hand. You ScR better hope CCP release the other new AR in 1.7 and not move it up to 1.8,1.9, to 2.0. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2081	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:24:00 - [71] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: Been seeing lot of player go to the ScR as of late, maybe it time to nerf it before it get out of hand. You ScR better hope CCP release the other new AR in 1.7 and not move it up to 1.8,1.9, to 2.0. I hated single shot weapons until I came to Dust...

CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 1733	Posted - 2013.11.11 06:25:00 - [72] - Quote Rant thread locked. CCP Frame



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