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CharCharOdell
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:09:00 -
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Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway.
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
436
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:14:00 -
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But man, respecs are totally not in line with role-playing aspects.
*completelly forgets that suddenly changes in the game aren't really role-playing-real either*
It's been know from the start that respecs would help this game evolve faster so it's finally worthy for a real release instead of a stupid 514-date, just because it's in a name.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
7578
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:16:00 -
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Wanna respec? Give up 25% of your lifetime SP every time you do.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1778
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:17:00 -
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Again?
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Sgt Buttscratch
R 0 N 1 N
966
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:25:00 -
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Aint really duvolles, its the aim assist, so many scrubs from before the tweak who used to have zero gungame, now have the luck of the gun and game making up for their shitness.
As for nades, the damage they do is fine as they are nades, but I think we should have 2 nades, only refilable from a ful suit replacement. Not hives, not supply depot. Ambush and most dom matches are pure nade spam.
TBO once the new suits Gallente/Calamari/minniemouse Sentinel and commando, Calamari and Amarr scouts, all pilots plus all the new weapons, It would only be logical to have a respec so the game was filled with a good mixture of roles races and weapons.
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
436
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:28:00 -
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It would also be logical to release the game after they filled the game with a hood mixture of roles, races and weapons.
Don't ask,argue,... for respecs just ask CCP to get their **** together :-). |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
258
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:29:00 -
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If we had a stable game where you actually knew what you were speccing into then I would say "no" to respecs. However we don't and in these turbulent times who the hell knows what CCP will do with any of the skills.
Personally I always felt that after each update a portion of the community should get a respec (say 25%). Then focus your testing on this group. Then rather than it taking several months to see if a weapon is OP CCP could more easily see from the stats of the focus group (people would jump on the FOTM). Plus a benefit is that eventually everyone would get a respec. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
572
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:29:00 -
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lolDuvolle.
IMPERIAL ALL THE WAY!
Yeah, all a respec would do is make me spec more appropriately into HAVs and refine my bricked ScR GalLogi.
Too busy clicking cookies to play DUST...
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
298
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:45:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway.
Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle...
What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time...
This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's.
There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch.
Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
436
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:52:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games.
How long before you start complaining you see too many Gallentes on the battlefield because they are suddenly "OP" now?
What if people want respecs so they can can add to the variety instead of being stuck to one suit?
What if DUST isn't one of those 'almost every MMO'?
What if DUST actually was a MMO? |
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
298
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:59:00 -
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RKKR wrote:Bethhy wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games. How long before you start complaining you see too many Gallentes on the battlefield because they are suddenly "OP" now? What if people want respecs so they can can add to the variety instead of being stuck to one suit?
I wont complain... gallente suit's have been left one of the last options to get since uprising launch... im kinda happy they got their time in the spotlight.
People are training out of their suit's right now as you said... it wont hurt them to have skills in two different dropsuit variants... only make them more diverse...
there is always going to be a FOTM cycle... thats how this development process will work in DUST... specially when they add or "tweak" something every 30 days... CCP has shown this as their track reccord...
FOTM... there is to many people good at theory crafting with numbers... to already know what will be the next FOTM based on patch notes... We even warn CCP and they ignore us... and then go and listen to a bunch of people with very little DUST experience.
Diversity over respec's... everyday.
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itsmellslikefish
DIOS EX.
Top Men.
522
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:04:00 -
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Silly, duvalles and core nades are the game.
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MassiveNine
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
432
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:05:00 -
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The real problem is creating a game based off balance and then not releasing all of the items to balance properly. People want respecs because they specced into something they didn't want to while waiting for CCP to release something that they are going to push back 15 times. I don't blame them.
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CharCharOdell
1501
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:07:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games.
And then that weapon and suit will get nerfed and theyll pay for it. Tis the cycle.
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
436
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:08:00 -
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I'd edited my post with two more questions, but anyway...
Why are there so many patches needed? ...? Simple, because the game isn't finished and therefore stupid to consider it as a finished game. CCP shot themselves in the foot by releasing the game and ending BETA. It would have been a great time to test all stuff out so everyone could have a clean start, but it's too late for that now. Respecs would help test all this stuff without playing a broken game for over 1 year for CCP to decide to change things all over again in a wrong way.
DUST is just becoming that broken dream with no hope of getting fixed again at this rate.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
925
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:11:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games.
how about once 1.7 means range buff to ASR and rail rifles
lasers do 84m max range and at 85m they do 1% damage lol versus 56 per bullet ASR and rail rifles
it means lasers become OBSOLETE it also means the Amarr asault lasers bonus becomes OBSOLETE and useless .
OBSOLETE skills and OBSOLETE weapons
respec please .
otherwise its DELETE Dust 514. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
299
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:15:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Bethhy wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games. And then that weapon and suit will get nerfed and theyll pay for it. Tis the cycle.
And then want another respec... like we have all the cries for now.
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Cass Caul
276
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:21:00 -
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Patience. There is no limit to the total amount of SP you can have, there is only a limit on how fast you can accumulate it. Give it some time and you too can have everything under the sun.
Actually, that's the whole reason CCP needs to put out new content more often. I've got 1 prototype suit that I have been using since...April. I got nearly all my Core Upgrade skills maxed out. I have 7 different prototype weapons. I have 1 suit that is at lvl3, and I'm ok with that because I've salvaged enough AUR proto versions of the suit to never have to skill all the way up in that.
Then I have a third suit which is at level 4. on the 21st of this month I will have that suit at lvl 5.
After that... I'm just going to bank it and hope something I like comes out in 1.8
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
436
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:25:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:Patience. There is no limit to the total amount of SP you can have, there is only a limit on how fast you can accumulate it. Give it some time and you too can have everything under the sun.
Actually, that's the whole reason CCP needs to put out new content more often. I've got 1 prototype suit that I have been using since...April. I got nearly all my Core Upgrade skills maxed out. I have 7 different prototype weapons. I have 1 suit that is at lvl3, and I'm ok with that because I've salvaged enough AUR proto versions of the suit to never have to skill all the way up in that.
Then I have a third suit which is at level 4. on the 21st of this month I will have that suit at lvl 5.
After that... I'm just going to bank it and hope something I like comes out in 1.8
That's fine and all, but it just results in the game limping on for a long time before it gets to the state it is supposed to be in at this moment. |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1051
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:39:00 -
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I'd just redo were I allocate my sp in core skills everything else would be the same.
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
1234
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:43:00 -
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If there is a respec we will not have tanks
I'm everyone's type
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KA24DERT
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
253
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Posted - 2013.11.10 17:51:00 -
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Respec isn't happening.
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
884
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:12:00 -
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The wheel turns, but stupid does not turn. |
Vell0cet
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
531
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:20:00 -
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RKKR wrote:What if people want respecs so they can can add to the variety instead of being stuck to one suit?
That's what the other 2 character slots are for...
Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
925
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:22:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:The wheel turns, but stupid does not turn.
but that is not so in that this long time dust player will delete Dust 514 if lasers and amarr assault suit bonuses become obsolete thanks to 1.7 ASR and rail rifles range buff. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2069
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Posted - 2013.11.10 20:17:00 -
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A several month cooldown on purchased aurum respecs would see everyone pick the FOTM.
It would then see that FOTM nerfed a couple of months later, and all the idiot FOTMers would be screwed for the remaining months, leaving those of us who wanted it for legitimate reasons fine.
So bring on the FOTM respecs. CCP will make a reasonable profit from reasonable people, and a sh*t-ton from blueberries.
No.
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Eris Ernaga
State Patriots
685
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Posted - 2013.11.10 20:28:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway.
Lol I am part of the problem.
Ishukone gauged nano hives core locus grenades or lai dai packed av grenades for vehicles (don't use much)
hell my carthum scrambler rifle and duvolles are just sidearms XD
Ba bang baby
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Lorhak Gannarsein
577
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:05:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Bethhy wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games. how about once 1.7 means range buff to ASR and rail rifles lasers do 84m max range and at 85m they do 1% damage lol versus 56 per bullet ASR and rail rifles it means lasers become OBSOLETE it also means the Amarr asault lasers bonus becomes OBSOLETE and useless . OBSOLETE skills and OBSOLETE weapons respec please . otherwise its DELETE Dust 514.
Then spec into ScR. Amarr assault affects them too.
Too busy clicking cookies to play DUST...
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Talos Vagheitan
167
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:19:00 -
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Live with your choices.
I'm for respecs after major game upheavals, which I believe we'll go through at-least several more, but other than that I agree with the FOTM logic.
If we were to respec today, how many people would re-spec into logi LAV's?
Who cares what some sniper has to say
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RedBleach LeSanglant
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
462
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:11:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Wanna respec? Give up 25% of your lifetime SP every time you do.
Cosgar, that's terrible. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
Game restructuring, suits and weapons, vehicles, and George Tekei... "Oh My"
We'll need a respec. |
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
401
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:15:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:If we had a stable game where you actually knew what you were speccing into then I would say "no" to respecs. However we don't and in these turbulent times who the hell knows what CCP will do with any of the skills.
This is logical reasoning.
Better than: Either just screaming "RESPEEEEEEECS GAME SUXX" or "NO RESPECS THIS IS EEEEEEEVE, BEWARE OF FOTM".
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
401
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:18:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:The real problem is creating a game based off balance and then not releasing all of the items to balance properly. People want respecs because they specced into something they didn't want to while waiting for CCP to release something that they are going to push back 15 times. I don't blame them.
^ logical reasoning.
People do want to play the game. And since for example, the Amarr Laser tanks are not released yet, they could play with a Madrugar with blaster meanwhile..
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
402
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:21:00 -
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I just think CCP need to refund the SP during this period of unstable game as soon as they decide to re-implement/re-balance something. Then you actually get a choice to not spec into that specific skill tree again.
This is what pisses me off: CCP refunded the SP when they re-built weapon-¦s reload skill, but when they reduced cal logi CPU or replaced the cal assault reload bonus with this crappy extender bonus, we did not get our SP back.
Please give us some consistency CCP. You either refund SP when you change stats or you dont.
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
402
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:30:00 -
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Also, I do not believe EVE ever had these problems, since you are not locked down in that game like we are locked down to a specific dropsuit (you have to wait 2 months to fully get another one). In EVE you get access to several ships with the same skills. Totally different thing.
Do not compare these two games in the current state of Dust 514.
+¦-damage specialist since Sep ´13.
CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1206
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Posted - 2013.11.11 11:41:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway.
It wouldn't help in any way either. Our displeasure with game comes from boredom and refunding SP isn't going to make it any more fun or interesting.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
DROID EXILES
524
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Posted - 2013.11.11 12:31:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games.
i don't think it would cause a giant FoTM cycle. i mean, we kind of deserve a respec.not only are they reworking the skill tree, but they are also adding in alot of new stuff that we've been waiting for. for a long time. things people wanted to use months ago are finally coming out, so i say a respec is due. it would do nothing but help the game, really
How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
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Azri Sarum
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
117
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Posted - 2013.11.11 12:32:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:
I just think CCP need to refund the SP during this period of unstable game as soon as they decide to re-implement/re-balance something. Then you actually get a choice to not spec into that specific skill tree again.
This is what pisses me off: CCP refunded the SP when they re-built weapon-¦s reload skill, but when they reduced cal logi CPU or replaced the cal assault reload bonus with this crappy extender bonus, we did not get our SP back.
Please give us some consistency CCP. You either refund SP when you change stats or you dont.
The SP refund for weapons reload skill in 1.4 happened because they changed the SP cost of the skill, so that required a refund to get you your sp back. All other balance modifications have not resulted in a refund (as far as i can tell).
Spectral Clone wrote:Also, I do not believe EVE ever had these problems, since you are not locked down in that game like we are locked down to a specific dropsuit (you have to wait 2 months to fully get another one). In EVE you get access to several ships with the same skills. Totally different thing.
Do not compare these two games in the current state of Dust 514.
EVE is just as locked down as DUST is. I would actually say DUST has very closely matched EVE on your ability to cross-train.
As for issues with content entering the game, or large sweeping balance changes... none of this is new for EVE. Balance changes happen all the time. They have just spent the last two years on an initiative called tiericide which saw every ship in the game tweaked, some in large ways. New ships enter the game from time to time, we're expecting a couple new ones this month. Even core game systems have changed over the years. In fact, with a 10 year history I doubt there is a single piece of EVE that has not changed. And yet, despite this continual change, EVE has never once had a skill respec, and only a few skill refunds.
Respecs are things to issue when CCP has to undo / backpeddle on something (I'm figuring a vehicle respec in 1.7 is going to happen, fits the criteria perfectly), not when they add something new or balance some numbers.
You're just not going to see a full respec again.
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What they could do is like what they do in EVE with neural remaps
You get so many a year free and on events you may claim another respec among other prizes
So just say you get 1 free respec a year, and with a new expansion to celebrate they may do some events with different prizes like a heavy prize vehicle prize etc and you could swap that prize for 1 extra respec but you would only have 2 respecs a year
But atm with 1.7 the entire vehicle tree is being changed and with it also AV to a point, for vehicles users a respec is in order due to how much of the tree is being changed
Overall i would pay AUR for a respec, but i would limit how many respecs you can buy and use to 2 a year, or CCP could give everyone a free respec once a year |
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Respec 1+ its not fair that skills change so often you can't build your character without something getting changed completely. |
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:What they could do is like what they do in EVE with neural remaps
You get so many a year free and on events you may claim another respec among other prizes
So just say you get 1 free respec a year, and with a new expansion to celebrate they may do some events with different prizes like a heavy prize vehicle prize etc and you could swap that prize for 1 extra respec but you would only have 2 respecs a year
But atm with 1.7 the entire vehicle tree is being changed and with it also AV to a point, for vehicles users a respec is in order due to how much of the tree is being changed
Overall i would pay AUR for a respec, but i would limit how many respecs you can buy and use to 2 a year, or CCP could give everyone a free respec once a year
The question is: How are they going to classify a vehicle user?
It is not as easy as some might think to classify a vehicle user. Sure, they could refund all SP in the vehicle skill tree for everyone. But they might aswell give out an optional full respec to everyone. That is giving us a choice to live with our decisions.
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Respecs in general are bad, they allow someone to change their entire loadout without the need for training!
That said they should be on offer to the newberries upto 3mil skill points, this stops people being stuck with uninformed choices that they didn't understand. For the vets, no respecs ever, instead resets, completely reset all skills and lower spnto 1mil.
Half the point is working with the weapon as you skill it up!
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:10:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Respecs in general are bad, they allow someone to change their entire loadout without the need for training!
That said they should be on offer to the newberries upto 3mil skill points, this stops people being stuck with uninformed choices that they didn't understand. For the vets, no respecs ever, instead resets, completely reset all skills and lower spnto 1mil.
Half the point is working with the weapon as you skill it up!
Full respec for everyone that has passed 3 million SP so far then too (all players, that is). Otherwise it wont be fair.
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CharCharOdell wrote:Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway.
7.1 million SP is what I'll get back from vehicles, can you really say that? Also, Scrambler Rifle will be FOTM becuase of me and Regnyum.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:16:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Respecs in general are bad, they allow someone to change their entire loadout without the need for training!
That said they should be on offer to the newberries upto 3mil skill points, this stops people being stuck with uninformed choices that they didn't understand. For the vets, no respecs ever, instead resets, completely reset all skills and lower spnto 1mil.
Half the point is working with the weapon as you skill it up! Full respec for everyone that has passed 3 million SP so far then too (all players, that is). Otherwise it wont be fair.
I would allow a 1 time reset to 4mil but no full respec!
The whole point of a skill tree is as you level up, you yearn for that next tier! Because of the advantages!
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Oh look at that, another scrub that didn't discover yet the new FoTM ;)
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:29:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:What they could do is like what they do in EVE with neural remaps
You get so many a year free and on events you may claim another respec among other prizes
So just say you get 1 free respec a year, and with a new expansion to celebrate they may do some events with different prizes like a heavy prize vehicle prize etc and you could swap that prize for 1 extra respec but you would only have 2 respecs a year
But atm with 1.7 the entire vehicle tree is being changed and with it also AV to a point, for vehicles users a respec is in order due to how much of the tree is being changed
Overall i would pay AUR for a respec, but i would limit how many respecs you can buy and use to 2 a year, or CCP could give everyone a free respec once a year The question is: How are they going to classify a vehicle user? It is not as easy as some might think to classify a vehicle user. Sure, they could refund all SP in the vehicle skill tree for everyone. But they might aswell give out an optional full respec to everyone. That is giving us a choice to live with our decisions. For example, some people might have wanted to do tanks, but refused due to the imbalance between AV and tanks.
That is a problem
I have about 18mil into vehicles i think and the rest into infantry
But how does CCP know?
The entire skill tree for vehicles is getting changed, the descriptions, what they do, some removed, more added etc
With most infantry changes the weapon itself changes but the skills generally dont but even so the 1.7 rebalance is a huge change to everything for vehicles
If CCP gives out an optional respec many will take it even if they dont use vehicles, maybe just to tidy up what they skilled into, some will obv skill out of things, others may spec into things they like more
With an optional respec its under CCP control, if they gave one out free every year it wouldnt be too bad just dont waste it |
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:33:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:What they could do is like what they do in EVE with neural remaps
You get so many a year free and on events you may claim another respec among other prizes
So just say you get 1 free respec a year, and with a new expansion to celebrate they may do some events with different prizes like a heavy prize vehicle prize etc and you could swap that prize for 1 extra respec but you would only have 2 respecs a year
But atm with 1.7 the entire vehicle tree is being changed and with it also AV to a point, for vehicles users a respec is in order due to how much of the tree is being changed
Overall i would pay AUR for a respec, but i would limit how many respecs you can buy and use to 2 a year, or CCP could give everyone a free respec once a year The question is: How are they going to classify a vehicle user? It is not as easy as some might think to classify a vehicle user. Sure, they could refund all SP in the vehicle skill tree for everyone. But they might aswell give out an optional full respec to everyone. That is giving us a choice to live with our decisions. For example, some people might have wanted to do tanks, but refused due to the imbalance between AV and tanks. That is a problem I have about 18mil into vehicles i think and the rest into infantry But how does CCP know? The entire skill tree for vehicles is getting changed, the descriptions, what they do, some removed, more added etc With most infantry changes the weapon itself changes but the skills generally dont but even so the 1.7 rebalance is a huge change to everything for vehicles If CCP gives out an optional respec many will take it even if they dont use vehicles, maybe just to tidy up what they skilled into, some will obv skill out of things, others may spec into things they like more With an optional respec its under CCP control, if they gave one out free every year it wouldnt be too bad just dont waste it
1.6 changed the game over night. Dont you believe 1.7 will completely change the game, especially how infantry and vehicles work together? Also the new assault rifles will be released, invalidating any other weapon than ARs.
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Spectral Clone
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:35:00 -
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Also, from dust round table in EVE Vegas:
Zion Shad wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Is there a plan to give out a respec before the game turns to version 2.0? They r looking at a way so you can respec. Now they not sure how you may pay or it being balanced but it will come
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:15:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:What they could do is like what they do in EVE with neural remaps
You get so many a year free and on events you may claim another respec among other prizes
So just say you get 1 free respec a year, and with a new expansion to celebrate they may do some events with different prizes like a heavy prize vehicle prize etc and you could swap that prize for 1 extra respec but you would only have 2 respecs a year
But atm with 1.7 the entire vehicle tree is being changed and with it also AV to a point, for vehicles users a respec is in order due to how much of the tree is being changed
Overall i would pay AUR for a respec, but i would limit how many respecs you can buy and use to 2 a year, or CCP could give everyone a free respec once a year The question is: How are they going to classify a vehicle user? It is not as easy as some might think to classify a vehicle user. Sure, they could refund all SP in the vehicle skill tree for everyone. But they might aswell give out an optional full respec to everyone. That is giving us a choice to live with our decisions. For example, some people might have wanted to do tanks, but refused due to the imbalance between AV and tanks. That is a problem I have about 18mil into vehicles i think and the rest into infantry But how does CCP know? The entire skill tree for vehicles is getting changed, the descriptions, what they do, some removed, more added etc With most infantry changes the weapon itself changes but the skills generally dont but even so the 1.7 rebalance is a huge change to everything for vehicles If CCP gives out an optional respec many will take it even if they dont use vehicles, maybe just to tidy up what they skilled into, some will obv skill out of things, others may spec into things they like more With an optional respec its under CCP control, if they gave one out free every year it wouldnt be too bad just dont waste it 1.6 changed the game over night. Dont you believe 1.7 will completely change the game, especially how infantry and vehicles work together? Also the new assault rifles will be released, invalidating any other weapon than ARs.
1.7 may make a new FOTM fit with a certain rifle and with TTK being as low as it is it may do for infantry
With vehicles it will be alot more intresting possibly with the AV changes we may see less AV anyways but possibly less vehicles too espc from infantry who may spec into it
Until its released we cant really say |
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:24:00 -
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We already know vehicle skills are getting a respec, so it isn't fair that everyone doesn't.
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