DUST Search - Respecs don't break the game...

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

Bethhy wrote:

CharCharOdell wrote:

Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.

For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.

We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway.

Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle...

What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time...

This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's.

There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch.

Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games.

how about once 1.7 means range buff to ASR and rail rifles

lasers do 84m max range and at 85m they do 1% damage lol versus 56 per bullet ASR and rail rifles

it means lasers become OBSOLETE it also means the Amarr asault lasers bonus becomes OBSOLETE and useless .

OBSOLETE skills and OBSOLETE weapons

respec please .

otherwise its DELETE Dust 514.

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CharCharOdell 1499	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:09:00 - [1] - Quote Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game. For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such. We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 436	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:14:00 - [2] - Quote But man, respecs are totally not in line with role-playing aspects. completelly forgets that suddenly changes in the game aren't really role-playing-real either It's been know from the start that respecs would help this game evolve faster so it's finally worthy for a real release instead of a stupid 514-date, just because it's in a name.
Cosgar ParagonX 7578	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:16:00 - [3] - Quote Wanna respec? Give up 25% of your lifetime SP every time you do. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1778	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:17:00 - [4] - Quote Again? AKA: Rees Noturana https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 966	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:25:00 - [5] - Quote Aint really duvolles, its the aim assist, so many scrubs from before the tweak who used to have zero gungame, now have the luck of the gun and game making up for their shitness. As for nades, the damage they do is fine as they are nades, but I think we should have 2 nades, only refilable from a ful suit replacement. Not hives, not supply depot. Ambush and most dom matches are pure nade spam. TBO once the new suits Gallente/Calamari/minniemouse Sentinel and commando, Calamari and Amarr scouts, all pilots plus all the new weapons, It would only be logical to have a respec so the game was filled with a good mixture of roles races and weapons. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 436	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:28:00 - [6] - Quote It would also be logical to release the game after they filled the game with a hood mixture of roles, races and weapons. Don't ask,argue,... for respecs just ask CCP to get their **** together :-).
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 258	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:29:00 - [7] - Quote If we had a stable game where you actually knew what you were speccing into then I would say "no" to respecs. However we don't and in these turbulent times who the hell knows what CCP will do with any of the skills. Personally I always felt that after each update a portion of the community should get a respec (say 25%). Then focus your testing on this group. Then rather than it taking several months to see if a weapon is OP CCP could more easily see from the stats of the focus group (people would jump on the FOTM). Plus a benefit is that eventually everyone would get a respec.
Lorhak Gannarsein 572	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:29:00 - [8] - Quote lolDuvolle. IMPERIAL ALL THE WAY! Yeah, all a respec would do is make me spec more appropriately into HAVs and refine my bricked ScR GalLogi. Too busy clicking cookies to play DUST...
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 298	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:45:00 - [9] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game. For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such. We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 436	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:52:00 - [10] - Quote Bethhy wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game. For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such. We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games. How long before you start complaining you see too many Gallentes on the battlefield because they are suddenly "OP" now? What if people want respecs so they can can add to the variety instead of being stuck to one suit? What if DUST isn't one of those 'almost every MMO'? What if DUST actually was a MMO?

Bethhy Ancient Exiles 298	Posted - 2013.11.10 16:59:00 - [11] - Quote RKKR wrote: Bethhy wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game. For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such. We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games. How long before you start complaining you see too many Gallentes on the battlefield because they are suddenly "OP" now? What if people want respecs so they can can add to the variety instead of being stuck to one suit? I wont complain... gallente suit's have been left one of the last options to get since uprising launch... im kinda happy they got their time in the spotlight. People are training out of their suit's right now as you said... it wont hurt them to have skills in two different dropsuit variants... only make them more diverse... there is always going to be a FOTM cycle... thats how this development process will work in DUST... specially when they add or "tweak" something every 30 days... CCP has shown this as their track reccord... FOTM... there is to many people good at theory crafting with numbers... to already know what will be the next FOTM based on patch notes... We even warn CCP and they ignore us... and then go and listen to a bunch of people with very little DUST experience. Diversity over respec's... everyday.
itsmellslikefish DIOS EX. Top Men. 522	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:04:00 - [12] - Quote Silly, duvalles and core nades are the game. GJR G£ô Sniper King Wyrnspire's Forum Squire Join DIOS EX
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 432	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:05:00 - [13] - Quote The real problem is creating a game based off balance and then not releasing all of the items to balance properly. People want respecs because they specced into something they didn't want to while waiting for CCP to release something that they are going to push back 15 times. I don't blame them. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
CharCharOdell 1501	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:07:00 - [14] - Quote Bethhy wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game. For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such. We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games. And then that weapon and suit will get nerfed and theyll pay for it. Tis the cycle. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 436	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:08:00 - [15] - Quote I'd edited my post with two more questions, but anyway... Why are there so many patches needed? ...? Simple, because the game isn't finished and therefore stupid to consider it as a finished game. CCP shot themselves in the foot by releasing the game and ending BETA. It would have been a great time to test all stuff out so everyone could have a clean start, but it's too late for that now. Respecs would help test all this stuff without playing a broken game for over 1 year for CCP to decide to change things all over again in a wrong way. DUST is just becoming that broken dream with no hope of getting fixed again at this rate.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 925	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:11:00 - [16] - Quote Bethhy wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game. For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such. We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games. how about once 1.7 means range buff to ASR and rail rifles lasers do 84m max range and at 85m they do 1% damage lol versus 56 per bullet ASR and rail rifles it means lasers become OBSOLETE it also means the Amarr asault lasers bonus becomes OBSOLETE and useless . OBSOLETE skills and OBSOLETE weapons respec please . otherwise its DELETE Dust 514.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 299	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:15:00 - [17] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Bethhy wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game. For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such. We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games. And then that weapon and suit will get nerfed and theyll pay for it. Tis the cycle. And then want another respec... like we have all the cries for now.
Cass Caul 276	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:21:00 - [18] - Quote Patience. There is no limit to the total amount of SP you can have, there is only a limit on how fast you can accumulate it. Give it some time and you too can have everything under the sun. Actually, that's the whole reason CCP needs to put out new content more often. I've got 1 prototype suit that I have been using since...April. I got nearly all my Core Upgrade skills maxed out. I have 7 different prototype weapons. I have 1 suit that is at lvl3, and I'm ok with that because I've salvaged enough AUR proto versions of the suit to never have to skill all the way up in that. Then I have a third suit which is at level 4. on the 21st of this month I will have that suit at lvl 5. After that... I'm just going to bank it and hope something I like comes out in 1.8 +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 436	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:25:00 - [19] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Patience. There is no limit to the total amount of SP you can have, there is only a limit on how fast you can accumulate it. Give it some time and you too can have everything under the sun. Actually, that's the whole reason CCP needs to put out new content more often. I've got 1 prototype suit that I have been using since...April. I got nearly all my Core Upgrade skills maxed out. I have 7 different prototype weapons. I have 1 suit that is at lvl3, and I'm ok with that because I've salvaged enough AUR proto versions of the suit to never have to skill all the way up in that. Then I have a third suit which is at level 4. on the 21st of this month I will have that suit at lvl 5. After that... I'm just going to bank it and hope something I like comes out in 1.8 That's fine and all, but it just results in the game limping on for a long time before it gets to the state it is supposed to be in at this moment.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1051	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:39:00 - [20] - Quote I'd just redo were I allocate my sp in core skills everything else would be the same. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein

Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1234	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:43:00 - [21] - Quote If there is a respec we will not have tanks I'm everyone's type
KA24DERT Pure Innocence. EoN. 253	Posted - 2013.11.10 17:51:00 - [22] - Quote Respec isn't happening. /circlejerk
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 884	Posted - 2013.11.10 18:12:00 - [23] - Quote The wheel turns, but stupid does not turn.
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 531	Posted - 2013.11.10 18:20:00 - [24] - Quote RKKR wrote: What if people want respecs so they can can add to the variety instead of being stuck to one suit? That's what the other 2 character slots are for... Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 925	Posted - 2013.11.10 18:22:00 - [25] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: The wheel turns, but stupid does not turn. but that is not so in that this long time dust player will delete Dust 514 if lasers and amarr assault suit bonuses become obsolete thanks to 1.7 ASR and rail rifles range buff.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2069	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:17:00 - [26] - Quote A several month cooldown on purchased aurum respecs would see everyone pick the FOTM. It would then see that FOTM nerfed a couple of months later, and all the idiot FOTMers would be screwed for the remaining months, leaving those of us who wanted it for legitimate reasons fine. So bring on the FOTM respecs. CCP will make a reasonable profit from reasonable people, and a sh*t-ton from blueberries. No.
Eris Ernaga State Patriots 685	Posted - 2013.11.10 20:28:00 - [27] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game. For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such. We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Lol I am part of the problem. Ishukone gauged nano hives core locus grenades or lai dai packed av grenades for vehicles (don't use much) hell my carthum scrambler rifle and duvolles are just sidearms XD Ba bang baby
Lorhak Gannarsein 577	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:05:00 - [28] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Bethhy wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game. For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such. We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games. how about once 1.7 means range buff to ASR and rail rifles lasers do 84m max range and at 85m they do 1% damage lol versus 56 per bullet ASR and rail rifles it means lasers become OBSOLETE it also means the Amarr asault lasers bonus becomes OBSOLETE and useless . OBSOLETE skills and OBSOLETE weapons respec please . otherwise its DELETE Dust 514. Then spec into ScR. Amarr assault affects them too. Too busy clicking cookies to play DUST...
Talos Vagheitan 167	Posted - 2013.11.11 00:19:00 - [29] - Quote Live with your choices. I'm for respecs after major game upheavals, which I believe we'll go through at-least several more, but other than that I agree with the FOTM logic. If we were to respec today, how many people would re-spec into logi LAV's? Who cares what some sniper has to say
RedBleach LeSanglant Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 462	Posted - 2013.11.11 10:11:00 - [30] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Wanna respec? Give up 25% of your lifetime SP every time you do. Cosgar, that's terrible. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Game restructuring, suits and weapons, vehicles, and George Tekei... "Oh My" We'll need a respec.



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