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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:15:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:If we had a stable game where you actually knew what you were speccing into then I would say "no" to respecs. However we don't and in these turbulent times who the hell knows what CCP will do with any of the skills.
This is logical reasoning.
Better than: Either just screaming "RESPEEEEEEECS GAME SUXX" or "NO RESPECS THIS IS EEEEEEEVE, BEWARE OF FOTM".
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CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:18:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:The real problem is creating a game based off balance and then not releasing all of the items to balance properly. People want respecs because they specced into something they didn't want to while waiting for CCP to release something that they are going to push back 15 times. I don't blame them.
^ logical reasoning.
People do want to play the game. And since for example, the Amarr Laser tanks are not released yet, they could play with a Madrugar with blaster meanwhile..
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CCP please make our decisions matter.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:21:00 -
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I just think CCP need to refund the SP during this period of unstable game as soon as they decide to re-implement/re-balance something. Then you actually get a choice to not spec into that specific skill tree again.
This is what pisses me off: CCP refunded the SP when they re-built weapon-¦s reload skill, but when they reduced cal logi CPU or replaced the cal assault reload bonus with this crappy extender bonus, we did not get our SP back.
Please give us some consistency CCP. You either refund SP when you change stats or you dont.
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CCP please make our decisions matter.
"AR 514. Core Locus 514. Bricktank 514."
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:30:00 -
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Also, I do not believe EVE ever had these problems, since you are not locked down in that game like we are locked down to a specific dropsuit (you have to wait 2 months to fully get another one). In EVE you get access to several ships with the same skills. Totally different thing.
Do not compare these two games in the current state of Dust 514.
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CCP please make our decisions matter.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.11 11:41:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway.
It wouldn't help in any way either. Our displeasure with game comes from boredom and refunding SP isn't going to make it any more fun or interesting.
Dr. Gonzo: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting the Fear.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
DROID EXILES
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Posted - 2013.11.11 12:31:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway. Respec's break the game.. and creates a giant FOTM cycle... What do you think you'll see on the battlefield after a respec? diversity? or everyone going for the best fit and weapons of the time... This has happened every respec... and killed the diversity within DUST... why we had 2 billion cal logi's. There is 30 days between each patch sometimes more... 30 day's is pretty good time to save up for something new if you want for the next patch. Respec's... or reset's have been the death rattle of almost every MMO in history... and killed diversity within the games.
i don't think it would cause a giant FoTM cycle. i mean, we kind of deserve a respec.not only are they reworking the skill tree, but they are also adding in alot of new stuff that we've been waiting for. for a long time. things people wanted to use months ago are finally coming out, so i say a respec is due. it would do nothing but help the game, really
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Azri Sarum
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 12:32:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:
I just think CCP need to refund the SP during this period of unstable game as soon as they decide to re-implement/re-balance something. Then you actually get a choice to not spec into that specific skill tree again.
This is what pisses me off: CCP refunded the SP when they re-built weapon-¦s reload skill, but when they reduced cal logi CPU or replaced the cal assault reload bonus with this crappy extender bonus, we did not get our SP back.
Please give us some consistency CCP. You either refund SP when you change stats or you dont.
The SP refund for weapons reload skill in 1.4 happened because they changed the SP cost of the skill, so that required a refund to get you your sp back. All other balance modifications have not resulted in a refund (as far as i can tell).
Spectral Clone wrote:Also, I do not believe EVE ever had these problems, since you are not locked down in that game like we are locked down to a specific dropsuit (you have to wait 2 months to fully get another one). In EVE you get access to several ships with the same skills. Totally different thing.
Do not compare these two games in the current state of Dust 514.
EVE is just as locked down as DUST is. I would actually say DUST has very closely matched EVE on your ability to cross-train.
As for issues with content entering the game, or large sweeping balance changes... none of this is new for EVE. Balance changes happen all the time. They have just spent the last two years on an initiative called tiericide which saw every ship in the game tweaked, some in large ways. New ships enter the game from time to time, we're expecting a couple new ones this month. Even core game systems have changed over the years. In fact, with a 10 year history I doubt there is a single piece of EVE that has not changed. And yet, despite this continual change, EVE has never once had a skill respec, and only a few skill refunds.
Respecs are things to issue when CCP has to undo / backpeddle on something (I'm figuring a vehicle respec in 1.7 is going to happen, fits the criteria perfectly), not when they add something new or balance some numbers.
You're just not going to see a full respec again.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 12:42:00 -
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What they could do is like what they do in EVE with neural remaps
You get so many a year free and on events you may claim another respec among other prizes
So just say you get 1 free respec a year, and with a new expansion to celebrate they may do some events with different prizes like a heavy prize vehicle prize etc and you could swap that prize for 1 extra respec but you would only have 2 respecs a year
But atm with 1.7 the entire vehicle tree is being changed and with it also AV to a point, for vehicles users a respec is in order due to how much of the tree is being changed
Overall i would pay AUR for a respec, but i would limit how many respecs you can buy and use to 2 a year, or CCP could give everyone a free respec once a year |
Infamous Erich
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Posted - 2013.11.11 13:55:00 -
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Respec 1+ its not fair that skills change so often you can't build your character without something getting changed completely. |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 13:58:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:What they could do is like what they do in EVE with neural remaps
You get so many a year free and on events you may claim another respec among other prizes
So just say you get 1 free respec a year, and with a new expansion to celebrate they may do some events with different prizes like a heavy prize vehicle prize etc and you could swap that prize for 1 extra respec but you would only have 2 respecs a year
But atm with 1.7 the entire vehicle tree is being changed and with it also AV to a point, for vehicles users a respec is in order due to how much of the tree is being changed
Overall i would pay AUR for a respec, but i would limit how many respecs you can buy and use to 2 a year, or CCP could give everyone a free respec once a year
The question is: How are they going to classify a vehicle user?
It is not as easy as some might think to classify a vehicle user. Sure, they could refund all SP in the vehicle skill tree for everyone. But they might aswell give out an optional full respec to everyone. That is giving us a choice to live with our decisions.
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CCP please make our decisions matter.
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:07:00 -
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Respecs in general are bad, they allow someone to change their entire loadout without the need for training!
That said they should be on offer to the newberries upto 3mil skill points, this stops people being stuck with uninformed choices that they didn't understand. For the vets, no respecs ever, instead resets, completely reset all skills and lower spnto 1mil.
Half the point is working with the weapon as you skill it up!
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:10:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Respecs in general are bad, they allow someone to change their entire loadout without the need for training!
That said they should be on offer to the newberries upto 3mil skill points, this stops people being stuck with uninformed choices that they didn't understand. For the vets, no respecs ever, instead resets, completely reset all skills and lower spnto 1mil.
Half the point is working with the weapon as you skill it up!
Full respec for everyone that has passed 3 million SP so far then too (all players, that is). Otherwise it wont be fair.
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CCP please make our decisions matter.
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Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:11:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Duvolle assault rifles and core locus grenades break the game.
For those of you saying that a respec would cause a FOTM cycle, you're stupid. Everyone who would have specced into either gallogi or callogi already has and everyone who would want the strongest weapons already has the duvolle AR and core locus grenades. NOTHING WOULD CHANGE. Niche users would stay niche and the tryberry protohards would stick with their bricktanked logi suit, spamming grenades and such.
We might get a the FOTM rifle to change, but it wouldn't matter bc after 1 month, everyone would have that rifle anyway.
7.1 million SP is what I'll get back from vehicles, can you really say that? Also, Scrambler Rifle will be FOTM becuase of me and Regnyum.
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:16:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Respecs in general are bad, they allow someone to change their entire loadout without the need for training!
That said they should be on offer to the newberries upto 3mil skill points, this stops people being stuck with uninformed choices that they didn't understand. For the vets, no respecs ever, instead resets, completely reset all skills and lower spnto 1mil.
Half the point is working with the weapon as you skill it up! Full respec for everyone that has passed 3 million SP so far then too (all players, that is). Otherwise it wont be fair.
I would allow a 1 time reset to 4mil but no full respec!
The whole point of a skill tree is as you level up, you yearn for that next tier! Because of the advantages!
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:18:00 -
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Oh look at that, another scrub that didn't discover yet the new FoTM ;)
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:29:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:What they could do is like what they do in EVE with neural remaps
You get so many a year free and on events you may claim another respec among other prizes
So just say you get 1 free respec a year, and with a new expansion to celebrate they may do some events with different prizes like a heavy prize vehicle prize etc and you could swap that prize for 1 extra respec but you would only have 2 respecs a year
But atm with 1.7 the entire vehicle tree is being changed and with it also AV to a point, for vehicles users a respec is in order due to how much of the tree is being changed
Overall i would pay AUR for a respec, but i would limit how many respecs you can buy and use to 2 a year, or CCP could give everyone a free respec once a year The question is: How are they going to classify a vehicle user? It is not as easy as some might think to classify a vehicle user. Sure, they could refund all SP in the vehicle skill tree for everyone. But they might aswell give out an optional full respec to everyone. That is giving us a choice to live with our decisions. For example, some people might have wanted to do tanks, but refused due to the imbalance between AV and tanks.
That is a problem
I have about 18mil into vehicles i think and the rest into infantry
But how does CCP know?
The entire skill tree for vehicles is getting changed, the descriptions, what they do, some removed, more added etc
With most infantry changes the weapon itself changes but the skills generally dont but even so the 1.7 rebalance is a huge change to everything for vehicles
If CCP gives out an optional respec many will take it even if they dont use vehicles, maybe just to tidy up what they skilled into, some will obv skill out of things, others may spec into things they like more
With an optional respec its under CCP control, if they gave one out free every year it wouldnt be too bad just dont waste it |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:33:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:What they could do is like what they do in EVE with neural remaps
You get so many a year free and on events you may claim another respec among other prizes
So just say you get 1 free respec a year, and with a new expansion to celebrate they may do some events with different prizes like a heavy prize vehicle prize etc and you could swap that prize for 1 extra respec but you would only have 2 respecs a year
But atm with 1.7 the entire vehicle tree is being changed and with it also AV to a point, for vehicles users a respec is in order due to how much of the tree is being changed
Overall i would pay AUR for a respec, but i would limit how many respecs you can buy and use to 2 a year, or CCP could give everyone a free respec once a year The question is: How are they going to classify a vehicle user? It is not as easy as some might think to classify a vehicle user. Sure, they could refund all SP in the vehicle skill tree for everyone. But they might aswell give out an optional full respec to everyone. That is giving us a choice to live with our decisions. For example, some people might have wanted to do tanks, but refused due to the imbalance between AV and tanks. That is a problem I have about 18mil into vehicles i think and the rest into infantry But how does CCP know? The entire skill tree for vehicles is getting changed, the descriptions, what they do, some removed, more added etc With most infantry changes the weapon itself changes but the skills generally dont but even so the 1.7 rebalance is a huge change to everything for vehicles If CCP gives out an optional respec many will take it even if they dont use vehicles, maybe just to tidy up what they skilled into, some will obv skill out of things, others may spec into things they like more With an optional respec its under CCP control, if they gave one out free every year it wouldnt be too bad just dont waste it
1.6 changed the game over night. Dont you believe 1.7 will completely change the game, especially how infantry and vehicles work together? Also the new assault rifles will be released, invalidating any other weapon than ARs.
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CCP please make our decisions matter.
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Spectral Clone
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:35:00 -
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Also, from dust round table in EVE Vegas:
Zion Shad wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Is there a plan to give out a respec before the game turns to version 2.0? They r looking at a way so you can respec. Now they not sure how you may pay or it being balanced but it will come
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CCP please make our decisions matter.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:15:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:What they could do is like what they do in EVE with neural remaps
You get so many a year free and on events you may claim another respec among other prizes
So just say you get 1 free respec a year, and with a new expansion to celebrate they may do some events with different prizes like a heavy prize vehicle prize etc and you could swap that prize for 1 extra respec but you would only have 2 respecs a year
But atm with 1.7 the entire vehicle tree is being changed and with it also AV to a point, for vehicles users a respec is in order due to how much of the tree is being changed
Overall i would pay AUR for a respec, but i would limit how many respecs you can buy and use to 2 a year, or CCP could give everyone a free respec once a year The question is: How are they going to classify a vehicle user? It is not as easy as some might think to classify a vehicle user. Sure, they could refund all SP in the vehicle skill tree for everyone. But they might aswell give out an optional full respec to everyone. That is giving us a choice to live with our decisions. For example, some people might have wanted to do tanks, but refused due to the imbalance between AV and tanks. That is a problem I have about 18mil into vehicles i think and the rest into infantry But how does CCP know? The entire skill tree for vehicles is getting changed, the descriptions, what they do, some removed, more added etc With most infantry changes the weapon itself changes but the skills generally dont but even so the 1.7 rebalance is a huge change to everything for vehicles If CCP gives out an optional respec many will take it even if they dont use vehicles, maybe just to tidy up what they skilled into, some will obv skill out of things, others may spec into things they like more With an optional respec its under CCP control, if they gave one out free every year it wouldnt be too bad just dont waste it 1.6 changed the game over night. Dont you believe 1.7 will completely change the game, especially how infantry and vehicles work together? Also the new assault rifles will be released, invalidating any other weapon than ARs.
1.7 may make a new FOTM fit with a certain rifle and with TTK being as low as it is it may do for infantry
With vehicles it will be alot more intresting possibly with the AV changes we may see less AV anyways but possibly less vehicles too espc from infantry who may spec into it
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CharCharOdell
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:24:00 -
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We already know vehicle skills are getting a respec, so it isn't fair that everyone doesn't.
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