DUST Search - 1.6 or the Minmatar scout holocaust

Poonmunch wrote:

DEZKA DIABLO wrote:

Used to be the wickedest suit in 1.1 , so fast, knives worked awesome- now........
Useless compared to gallente

Gallente has better :
Scan
Speed
HP
Base HP
Dampening abilities
Stealth
Endurance
CPU pg
Suit bonuses
Hacking abilities
Scan range abilities
Shield regulation abilities

The only useful high slot abilities worthy for minmatar is shields an damage, an if u use damage you can barely fit anything else unless using CPU chips, the bonuses suck since hit detection blows, I want a respec lol
Friggen waste.
If the game was where it is now at uprising I never would have chose minmatar, hell I was gallente an got the optional respec before June , month later punch myself for changing my mind

For the prototype Scout suits:

Minmatar has better speed both running and sprinting. The speeds are 5.65/7.91 versus 5.45/7.63. The fastest in the game.
Gallente has equal PG and 20 more CPU.
Minmatar has better shield 100 versus 70.
Gallente has better armor 130 versus 70.
Both suits have a 5% reduction to scan profile per level.
Gallente has a +10% bonus to scan radius per level.
Minmatar has +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level.
Gallente has 1 high slot and 4 low slots.
Minmatar has 3 high slots and 2 low slots.
Both suits have 1 equipment slot.
Both suits have the same recharge rates and recharge delays.

Some might say that the Minmatar suit is more customizable due to it's number of high and low slots.

I wouldn't say that the Minmatar suit is useless. If you go with it's strengths, you can use nova knives and damage mods to do some pretty good close-up killing. But is has to be stealth killing. You can get around faster with the Minmatar suit so you can pop up and be gone in a flash. Great for slicing solo snipers and solo forge gun snipers. Good for protecting objectives from solo hackers. Great for picking off stragglers. Pretty good for running in, hacking and bugging out.

As a sniper I HATE the Minmatar nova knife scout. When I'm scoped in they cut me to ribbons before I can react.

BUT - I think all scout suits need a buff to scans, speed or shields/armor. Or all three.

Munch

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shanatak What The French 6	Posted - 2013.11.09 00:06:00 - [1] - Quote 1 bullet for the shield, 1 for the armor and this is the end... They just became a joke. Il est bon de regarder derrière soi, il est mauvais de se retourner/ fix my cut or repay all my destroyed pads katanahs
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2414	Posted - 2013.11.09 00:07:00 - [2] - Quote Yeah, Sniper Rifles are a pain. Dodge and weave! If they nick you once, stop drop and roll! Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
shanatak What The French 6	Posted - 2013.11.09 00:11:00 - [3] - Quote Sorry but i'm talking about close fighting shotgun,pistols,etc... Il est bon de regarder derrière soi, il est mauvais de se retourner/ fix my cut or repay all my destroyed pads katanahs
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2414	Posted - 2013.11.09 00:14:00 - [4] - Quote shanatak wrote: Sorry but i'm talking about close fighting shotgun,pistols,etc... Yeah, those breach Scrambler pistols are killer, though the same methods apply; stop drop and roll! Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 10	Posted - 2013.11.09 00:15:00 - [5] - Quote Used to be the wickedest suit in 1.1 , so fast, knives worked awesome- now........ Useless compared to gallente Gallente has better : Scan Speed HP Base HP Dampening abilities Stealth Endurance CPU pg Suit bonuses Hacking abilities Scan range abilities Shield regulation abilities The only useful high slot abilities worthy for minmatar is shields an damage, an if u use damage you can barely fit anything else unless using CPU chips, the bonuses suck since hit detection blows, I want a respec lol Friggen waste. If the game was where it is now at uprising I never would have chose minmatar, hell I was gallente an got the optional respec before June , month later punch myself for changing my mind
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 247	Posted - 2013.11.09 00:48:00 - [6] - Quote It feels more like a general scout holocaust, Minnies just get the worst of it. Gallante scout may be more viable than the Minnie but that puts them only a floor above ground. But it's several hundred floors to get the penthouse of medium frames.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1461	Posted - 2013.11.09 01:02:00 - [7] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: It feels more like a general scout holocaust, Minnies just get the worst of it. Gallante scout may be more viable than the Minnie but that puts them only a floor above ground. But it's several hundred floors to get the penthouse of medium frames. this 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Laurent Cazaderon What The French 2095	Posted - 2013.11.09 01:30:00 - [8] - Quote shanatak wrote: 1 bullet for the shield, 1 for the armor and this is the end... They just became a joke. We discussed this with other scout players in a thread the last 2 days. And yes scouts have it bad with the combination of HD being way improved + aim assist. Scout need more stealth, and more speed. like they had back in the days and were actually really fast little basterds. Also, 10% debuff to rifles\smg would make a nice difference. This Char i only use on the forum. To contact me : "Cazaderon" in game and on Skype. Et vive la France !
Zero Notion Wraith Company 288	Posted - 2013.11.09 01:51:00 - [9] - Quote Like I suggested; give them a 360 Scan Radius rather than the cone. Perfect fit for a Scout.
Poonmunch Sanguis Defense Syndicate 533	Posted - 2013.11.09 01:51:00 - [10] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Used to be the wickedest suit in 1.1 , so fast, knives worked awesome- now........ Useless compared to gallente Gallente has better : Scan Speed HP Base HP Dampening abilities Stealth Endurance CPU pg Suit bonuses Hacking abilities Scan range abilities Shield regulation abilities The only useful high slot abilities worthy for minmatar is shields an damage, an if u use damage you can barely fit anything else unless using CPU chips, the bonuses suck since hit detection blows, I want a respec lol Friggen waste. If the game was where it is now at uprising I never would have chose minmatar, hell I was gallente an got the optional respec before June , month later punch myself for changing my mind For the prototype Scout suits: Minmatar has better speed both running and sprinting. The speeds are 5.65/7.91 versus 5.45/7.63. Gallente has equal PG and 20 more CPU. Minmatar has better shield 100 versus 70. Gallente has better armor 130 versus 70. Both suits have a 5% reduction to scan profile per level. Gallente has a +10% bonus to scan radius per level. Minmatar has +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level. Gallente has 1 high slot and 4 low slots. Minmatar has 3 high slots and 2 low slots. Both suits have 1 equipment slot. Both suits have the same recharge rates and recharge delays. Some might say that the Minmatar suit is more customizable due to it's number of high and low slots. I wouldn't say that the Minmatar suit is useless. If you go with it's strengths, you can use nova knives and damage mods to do some pretty good close-up killing. But is has to be stealth killing. You can get around faster with the Minmatar suit so you can pop up and be gone in a flash. Great for slicing solo snipers and solo forge gun snipers. Good for protecting objectives from solo hackers. Great for picking off stragglers. Pretty good for running in, hacking and bugging out. As a sniper I HATE the Minmatar nova knife scout. When I'm scoped in they cut me to ribbons before I can react. BUT - I think they need a buff to scans, speed or shields/armor. Or all three. Munch What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?

DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 13	Posted - 2013.11.09 09:31:00 - [11] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: shanatak wrote: 1 bullet for the shield, 1 for the armor and this is the end... They just became a joke. We discussed this with other scout players in a thread the last 2 days. And yes scouts have it bad with the combination of HD being way improved + aim assist. Scout need more stealth, and more speed. like they had back in the days and were actually really fast little basterds. Also, 10% debuff to rifles\smg would make a nice difference. Make it so
8213 Grade No.2 594	Posted - 2013.11.09 09:39:00 - [12] - Quote If its not Gallente, its not worth anything. since Nova Knives will never work in this game, I see ZERO reason to ever use Minmatar Scouts
Zatara Rought Imperfects 1558	Posted - 2013.11.09 09:53:00 - [13] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: shanatak wrote: 1 bullet for the shield, 1 for the armor and this is the end... They just became a joke. We discussed this with other scout players in a thread the last 2 days. And yes scouts have it bad with the combination of HD being way improved + aim assist. Scout need more stealth, and more speed. like they had back in the days and were actually really fast little basterds. Also, 10% debuff to rifles\smg would make a nice difference. Scouts would be vastly more improved if scanners weren't so OP. Scanner's are dumb because they are so powerful. Even when you prevent a scan the enemy is aware in a general sense because the scan returns a margin of error....that's a dire problem. Otherwise....scouts are viable and indeed efficacious in the highest lvl's of competition. That's Masternader to you scrub. Skype me @ Zatara.Rought
DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 13	Posted - 2013.11.09 10:25:00 - [14] - Quote Poonmunch wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Used to be the wickedest suit in 1.1 , so fast, knives worked awesome- now........ Useless compared to gallente Gallente has better : Scan Speed HP Base HP Dampening abilities Stealth Endurance CPU pg Suit bonuses Hacking abilities Scan range abilities Shield regulation abilities The only useful high slot abilities worthy for minmatar is shields an damage, an if u use damage you can barely fit anything else unless using CPU chips, the bonuses suck since hit detection blows, I want a respec lol Friggen waste. If the game was where it is now at uprising I never would have chose minmatar, hell I was gallente an got the optional respec before June , month later punch myself for changing my mind For the prototype Scout suits: Minmatar has better speed both running and sprinting. The speeds are 5.65/7.91 versus 5.45/7.63. The fastest in the game. Gallente has equal PG and 20 more CPU. Minmatar has better shield 100 versus 70. Gallente has better armor 130 versus 70. Both suits have a 5% reduction to scan profile per level. Gallente has a +10% bonus to scan radius per level. Minmatar has +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level. Gallente has 1 high slot and 4 low slots. Minmatar has 3 high slots and 2 low slots. Both suits have 1 equipment slot. Both suits have the same recharge rates and recharge delays. Some might say that the Minmatar suit is more customizable due to it's number of high and low slots. I wouldn't say that the Minmatar suit is useless. If you go with it's strengths, you can use nova knives and damage mods to do some pretty good close-up killing. But is has to be stealth killing. You can get around faster with the Minmatar suit so you can pop up and be gone in a flash. Great for slicing solo snipers and solo forge gun snipers. Good for protecting objectives from solo hackers. Great for picking off stragglers. Pretty good for running in, hacking and bugging out. As a sniper I HATE the Minmatar nova knife scout. When I'm scoped in they cut me to ribbons before I can react. BUT - I think all scout suits need a buff to scans, speed or shields/armor. Or all three. Munch Sounds good on paper but here's the catch 22 flaws: Shields drop to fast, everytime this chisels armor, if your maxed on shields an armor an running shields an biotics your suits 343 shields 90 armor With a damage or a percision mod shields are 270 To beat a proto scanner or have better range or endurance, your max speed losing low slot is 9.36, enhanced kinetic 9.00 So now if your in a enhanced suit your max shields are 270 plus 90 armor if your maxed, mines at level 3 = 80 armor HP Because it costs over a million just for 20 HP , it's a shield suit so dropping a million in armor upgrades for twenty HP so most low sp minmatars only have base armor which is 70 No all other minmatars have 1 HP regen , why not the scout? For it to regen it's precious armor it would survive longer, by being able to go from fight to fight, if it runs a armor rep it's slower, if it uses a compact nano hive it loses room for a scanner It's bonus is knives an melee but it needs a pd to beat 28 db so it's slower, it needs the scanner to knive better, if it has a scanner it can't use a compact hive to rgenerate. If it chooses the regen it can't see as well, To survive even a little it needs a basic reactive, no speed penalty an the regen does wonders but then you have less speed an no edurance . Plain an simple both scouts need another slot an equipment. Two lows does nothing. You could armor tank but then your bonuses for knife an melee mean nothing, hit etection on Novak suck so you may as well I mean god A PROTO NANO HIVE OR UPLINK HAS THE SAME HP! Really! Check! An if you tanked you lose a low to a CPU chip to fit the rest of the suit. So then your back to no regen an no speed. So I don't know what ccp is smoking but were barely harder to kill than a nano hive, I mean it takes the same amount of time, an we've been waiting since may for this supposed buff, yet in the meantime, everyyhing kills that much faster, a regular scr is 3 shots! We can't hide, can't run, knives don't work, dampening an range isn't comparable to a gallente, not that it matters but scouts have alternate bonuses yet all the minmatars are broken, an if it wanted to speed knife with melee mods it would have less than 200 shields an 70-90 armor So after what I wrote if ccp can't see how broken it is then this suit will forever remain broken .
shanatak What The French 8	Posted - 2013.11.09 12:24:00 - [15] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO , i'm agree with you at 100%. Proto nanohive or uplink has the same hp ,lol,........sad but true. Il est bon de regarder derrière soi, il est mauvais de se retourner/ fix my cut or repay all my destroyed pads katanahs
DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 18	Posted - 2013.11.09 16:00:00 - [16] - Quote shanatak wrote: DEZKA DIABLO , i'm agree with you at 100%. Proto nanohive or uplink has the same hp ,lol,........sad but true. Haha thanks! My main account got banned for not explaining the same thoughts with class lol
AfroSunshineY Consequence TransLegio 174	Posted - 2013.11.09 17:52:00 - [17] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: shanatak wrote: 1 bullet for the shield, 1 for the armor and this is the end... They just became a joke. We discussed this with other scout players in a thread the last 2 days. And yes scouts have it bad with the combination of HD being way improved + aim assist. Scout need more stealth, and more speed. like they had back in the days and were actually really fast little basterds. Also, 10% debuff to rifles\smg would make a nice difference. Scout also need more health - this is a MUST. These days most scouts are forced to use plates and shield extenders - defeating the purpose of the suit in the first place. I'm getting killed from full health at distances greater than 60m, sometimes even as high as 75m - these fall way outside my passive scan radius even with gal scout skills maxxed, range maxed and a complex range amplifier. Either raise my scanning capability drastically (I'm talking 25m base) or give me more health so I can at least run away from an AR scrub who isn't even aiming at 60+ meters - preferably both. Increase Base speed to 8+ m/s and stamina by 75% - no delay. Remove stunlocking entirely. Then, maybe scouts will be balanced though i still doubt it. We won't have balance till there is some form of actual stealth mode exclusive to scouts - forget the other stuff. That is what we really need
DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 18	Posted - 2013.11.09 20:26:00 - [18] - Quote AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: shanatak wrote: 1 bullet for the shield, 1 for the armor and this is the end... They just became a joke. We discussed this with other scout players in a thread the last 2 days. And yes scouts have it bad with the combination of HD being way improved + aim assist. Scout need more stealth, and more speed. like they had back in the days and were actually really fast little basterds. Also, 10% debuff to rifles\smg would make a nice difference. Scout also need more health - this is a MUST. These days most scouts are forced to use plates and shield extenders - defeating the purpose of the suit in the first place. I'm getting killed from full health at distances greater than 60m, sometimes even as high as 75m - these fall way outside my passive scan radius even with gal scout skills maxxed, range maxed and a complex range amplifier. Either raise my scanning capability drastically (I'm talking 25m base) or give me more health so I can at least run away from an AR scrub who isn't even aiming at 60+ meters - preferably both. Increase Base speed to 8+ m/s and stamina by 75% - no delay. Remove stunlocking entirely. Then, maybe scouts will be balanced though i still doubt it. We won't have balance till there is some form of actual stealth mode exclusive to scouts - forget the other stuff. That is what we really need Stun locking when I'm trying to blow a remote a guys standing on gets me killed too often, not to mention now I get killed so hard now I don't bleed out I'm just dead, which I don't think happens as often in other suits. I mean we should have a shield hardening genorator modual or something, scout only. Something that acts like two shields an is harder than the main but has 100 HP an a high CPU pg an a say 60 regen speed. An breaks after it takes 150 damage. That would allow a heads up to take the first burst of any gun, an if you were say running a GK.0 you would have the hardened shield then the base shield. They would just have to make it so there was a armor cap when using the hardener so a gallente couldn't stack plate.
Aseair The Immortal 514 30	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:39:00 - [19] - Quote I remember in open beta when you could actually be sneaky and speedy with a scout Ah well. As bad as it is, I'm not giving up on my Minja, and certainly not on my knives. We definitely need a speed boost, and perhaps some better EWAR, but I think if we had these things we wouldn't need extra health. I mean, if we got back to the speeds, scan range, etc. that we had before, and you still got into the line of fire, you kinda deserve dying in two shots. Memento vos sunt immortales


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