Now im not the best dropship pilot, but ive been gunning and flying them long enough that i can pull off crazy manuvers and stay alive in a sky full of missles.


this new dropship controls have taken away alot of the fine control we used to have, it lowers the entry barrier to flying but makes dropships more vulnerable and less manuverable as a whole.

the first time back into dropships since 1.6 i grabed my fellow gunner and flew around and it was like suddenly trying to fly a brick around.

responsivness and twich manuvers are near impoosable without extreme investment into torque and afterburners on the same ship, leaving it even more paper thin then before.

changing your height is alot slower, and high speed speed dives and extreme bank turns (ones that require you to turn your ship on its side or nearly upside down) are again impossable without some extreme fittings.

stability has increased alot, but its at the cost of manuverability

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The ships drift around more. Even with a Jovian in my Incubus its hard as hell to manoeuvre (and I sure as hell miss the plate/hardener!). Gunning is more accurate as the sjip isn't sh much in the way but compensating for continual movement is tricky

It used to be we could do a little snap manuver and stop the drifting and enter into a hover rather quickly, but that doesnt seem to be the case anymore. it FEELS like were flying on ice, constantly slipping rather then moving in a controlled fashion.

Now im not the best dropship pilot, but ive been gunning and flying them long enough that i can pull off crazy manuvers and stay alive in a sky full of missles.


this new dropship controls have taken away alot of the fine control we used to have, it lowers the entry barrier to flying but makes dropships more vulnerable and less manuverable as a whole.

the first time back into dropships since 1.6 i grabed my fellow gunner and flew around and it was like suddenly trying to fly a brick around.

responsivness and twich manuvers are near impoosable without extreme investment into torque and afterburners on the same ship, leaving it even more paper thin then before.

changing your height is alot slower, and high speed speed dives and extreme bank turns (ones that require you to turn your ship on its side or nearly upside down) are again impossable without some extreme fittings.

stability has increased alot, but its at the cost of manuverability

For the militia if you stop touchign the sticks the ship will automatically even out and be parrallel to the ground. It is only bad if you kept wanting to fly at an awkward position.

Correct. It's only on milita and feedback would be very nice indeed

My positive feedback is that militia dropships are now better, the negative one is that I dont want CCP to dismiss the assault dropships in 1.7... piloting and shooting is great fun.

Correct. It's only on milita and feedback would be very nice indeed

Correct. It's only on milita and feedback would be very nice indeed

I noticed you brought me back the ADS camera! you didn't post the change but I can certainly tell. Thanks guys! At least I get to enjoy it while it lasts....

I noticed you brought me back the ADS camera! you didn't post the change but I can certainly tell. Thanks guys! At least I get to enjoy it while it lasts....

See that's why I crashed like 4 milita dropships trying to get on the pipes that one match, it was the added stabalization that threw me off, finally an excuse.

Correct. It's only on milita and feedback would be very nice indeed

Its ridiculous, just started playing on the 1.6 update today and i flew my cheapest assault dropship build(583,995isk). I instantly notice the stabilty and i said to myself "wow! This is awesome! I can now shoot in place!" But before i killed anyone, a forge gunner starts shooting at me. I turned on my repairers and quickly recovered all my armor and shield. The forge gunner was still shooting at me so i accelerated top speed to get to a safe place. In the process of breaking and landing at top speed near a hill, I expected to hover near it like all the other many times i did this, instead i went headstrong into the hill, losing my shield and half my armor. I was still holding the ascension trigger( this is my way i break near ground at high speed) and my camera went way below my ship. I forgotton about the forge gunner because i was focused trying to regain control of my ship and i went up to high giving the forge gunner a perfect shot at my weakend state, killing me. They should of had made a module that stabilizes the ship instead of changing its complete mobility by a scale fold.

Correct. It's only on milita and feedback would be very nice indeed

Correct. It's only on militia and feedback would be very nice indeed

Haven't tried out the militia dropships. Mixed feelings, easier for rookies to learn I suppose. Although I do like being in a bit of an exclusive group of people who can fly and land dropships properly.

Just please don't make them too easy. As long as this only ever applies to militia dropships I'm okay with it.

it's like giving strong Auto-Aim to militia suits so new players can do well. It dumbs down the game by removing the requirement for player skill.

it's like giving strong Auto-Aim to militia suits so new players can do well. It dumbs down the game by removing the requirement for player skill.

Dropship pilots are a fiercely loyal to their ships. They have endured repeated nerfs, neglect, and wallet draining expense because they love flying. They love it because being an accomplished pilot meant something.

Dumb down the player skill requirements and you may well accomplish what several builds of abuse failed to do, drive out the dedicated pilots. If you turn them back into the flying bumper cars of E3 that required zero skill you will kill flying as a skilled role and dropships will be just a flying jeep.

You do realize that the auto-stabilization is only for militia dropships AND it's not always on?

It's a precedent, one that has already sparked a request for an auto -level button for all dropships.

It's one more wrong turn in a long line of bad decisions that will end up killing the role of pilot.

The dropship will become just another utility of the infantry player. They will be treated just like LAVs, just pull one out when you need to get somewhere, then recall it when you are done.

It's a precedent, one that has already sparked a request for an auto -level button for all dropships.

It's one more wrong turn in a long line of bad decisions that will end up killing the role of pilot.

The dropship will become just another utility of the infantry player. They will be treated just like LAVs, just pull one out when you need to get somewhere, then recall it when you are done.

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With auto-leveling, it wouldn't make being a pilot as nearly as easy as it was back then at E3. To even suggest that is laughable.

What he's saying is that adding auto-leveling to dropships would make having an actual pilot unnecessary. And he's right.

If CCP turned every player into an auto-pilot why would anyone want to specialize into that role? Besides, it seems most of the people who want auto-leveling are snipers trying to get to hiding places who:

A.) Don't want to learn how to fly their ships
B.) Don't communicate with their team in order to ask for a ride from a Pilot

Is it just me or did the vertical thrust on milita dropships become buggy in 1.6? I ask because it seems like at times i will be flying along, noes down to pick up some forward speed. I then bring up the nose (to horizontal) but i don't start gaining altitude. I have to release the throttle and tap it again to begin gaining altitude.

Is it just me or did the vertical thrust on milita dropships become buggy in 1.6? I ask because it seems like at times i will be flying along, noes down to pick up some forward speed. I then bring up the nose (to horizontal) but i don't start gaining altitude. I have to release the throttle and tap it again to begin gaining altitude.

What he's saying is that adding auto-leveling to dropships would make having an actual pilot unnecessary. And he's right.

If CCP turned every player into an auto-pilot why would anyone want to specialize into that role? Besides, it seems most of the people who want auto-leveling are snipers trying to get to hiding places who:

A.) Don't want to learn how to fly their ships
B.) Don't communicate with their team in order to ask for a ride from a Pilot

My point is LAV driving isn't a role, it's just something everyone does. Some folks can drive better than others, but it's not a demanding task and it's difficult to kill yourself in it.

Nobody over the age of 16 proudly declares themselves a car driver. It's simply expected.
Holding a pilots license on the other than is special. Not everyone has the skils to fly in our world.

If you remove the majority of player skill from flying a dropship you relegate it to the level of LAV driving and it no longer presents the personal challenge that draws the fanaticism of dedicated pilots. Yes, you may have more pilots just like you have more LAV drivers, but it will be a mere convienence like a LAV.

Correct. It's only on milita and feedback would be very nice indeed

I don't fly regularly anymore, just using them at the start of a match. My initial impression is that the new handling makes it far more difficult to make a fast flight and precision landing.

I used to be able to swoop in, nose up to break hard, then drop straight down. Now I'm all over the place and it takes five times as long to plant the bird.

With aircraft there is the basic tradeoff of stability and responsiveness. More stable means easy to learn to fly and more responsive means you can do more with it. I've spent many hours flying the Precursor ships and while they required that practice they paid off. The new ships aren't as useful.

The decreased maneuverability combined with the tight camera has me slamming into buildings and terrain a lot.

It's OK to have a vehicle role that requires practice and player skill to use well.

Personal challenge is what makes a game fun long term. Too many people want it to be easy, not realizing that anything so easily mastered is of little value.

DUST is meant to last a decade. You have plenty of time to practice and enjoy flying. Don't short change yourself.


I would love to see CCP ramp up the player skill required in lots of roles. I may not like getting killed, but I'm going to give the guy grudging respect if it took skill to do it. The game doesn't need more cheap kills like Core Locus Grenades.