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Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 109	Posted - 2013.11.02 04:49:00 - [1] - Quote You get BPOs of Gallente medium frames (starter fits) just by being a Gallente. These things are the BANE of active scanners. Fit: 2 MLT profile dampeners (BPO) 1 other module of your choice (yes, it can be another dampener) (preferably BPO) and your weapons/equipment of choice (preferably BPO) They start spamming active scanners, perma-scanning everything? Just equip this and wreak havoc. They'll need PROTOTYPE active scanners to be able to detect you in this fitting. (they'll need the Duvolle Focused Active Scanner (15dB precision) if you equip all 3 modules as MLT level profile dampeners, and this is without skills) Since it's all BPO you don't need to worry about losing any isk off it, and since it's all MLT (mine is) you don't need to skill into it, meaning that you can spend all your SP on the stuff you actually want. (hooray Logibro!) Now, GO FORTH!! DESTROY THE ACTIVE SCANNER USERS!
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1361	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:00:00 - [2] - Quote You're doing the math way wrong, but whatever 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4447	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:01:00 - [3] - Quote You mean there's a counter to the active scanner?! WHO THE **** WOULD'VE THOUGHT!! Too bad most of the scout QQ on these forums are about trying to fit brick tanks on light frames. Never forget Level 4 Forum Warrior King of airborne swine.
Protocake JR Spyders Inc. 880	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:02:00 - [4] - Quote Who cares if no one can see your militia/starter fit?
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1361	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:08:00 - [5] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: You mean there's a counter to the active scanner?! WHO THE **** WOULD'VE THOUGHT!! Too bad most of the scout QQ on these forums are about trying to fit brick tanks on light frames. Like I said, he did the math wrong. Plus, with a CRG-3, Toxin, and a Adv. Scanner I can't even fit a adv. dampener on my Scout fit (note: This is a adv. Scout). 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 109	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:12:00 - [6] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: You're doing the math way wrong, but whatever The Profile dampeners reduce the profile by a %. One MLT profile dampener gives a 15% reduction. So if you equip 2 of them that's 30%. (they don't have a stacking penalty) The BPO you get has a 50 dB signature. What is 30% of 50? 15. 50 - 15 = 35. You now have 35 dB signature. ADV Active scanner has a 36 dB scan precision , that's one too high. PRO Active scanner has 28 db precision and the Duvolle Focused has 15 dB. Where is my math wrong? (I really would like to know if I'm wrong :P)
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1323	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:14:00 - [7] - Quote You are a idiot.
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 109	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:14:00 - [8] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Who cares if no one can see your militia/starter fit? Because you can sneak up behind them and kill their players holding the scanners. Or just sneak past all together and cap an objective on the other side of the map while their busy massacring your team.
Aseair The Immortal 514 8	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:14:00 - [9] - Quote As far as this is concerned, here is some help with the math, using a Scout suit as an example because I can't remember what the profile of a medium suit is right now. A Scout suit has a standard profile of 45. The MLT Profile Dampener reduces your profile by 15%, so you would multiply the profile by .85 (1 minus 15% or .15). So, using one module, it would look like this: 45 x .85 = 38.25 Now, these modules also have a stacking penalty (.15 x .869), so when you add on the second module, you take this new profile (38.25) and multiply it by the reduced benefit of the second module: 38.25 x (1 - (.15 x .869)) = 33.26 So, to sum this up, you could only avoid advanced scanners with this setup even on a scout suit. Not trying to be rude or anything, thank you for sharing what may have been a good idea. Keep them coming if you find anything else! Just make sure you do the math first Memento vos sunt immortales
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2348	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:19:00 - [10] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: You're doing the math way wrong, but whatever The Profile dampeners reduce the profile by a %. One MLT profile dampener gives a 15% reduction. So if you equip 2 of them that's 30%. (they don't have a stacking penalty) The BPO you get has a 50 dB signature. What is 30% of 50? 15. 50 - 15 = 35. You now have 35 dB signature. ADV Active scanner has a 36 dB scan precision , that's one too high. PRO Active scanner has 28 db precision and the Duvolle Focused has 15 dB. Where is my math wrong? (I really would like to know if I'm wrong :P) My man! Of you are in Villore Sec Ops, you are my brother! "It's because of people like you that I became this. And you'll never give me a reason to become someone else."

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 984	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:19:00 - [11] - Quote I could always just look straight at you since SV got taken I tend to rely on sound and sight more. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 110	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:21:00 - [12] - Quote AseairNow wrote: these modules also have a stacking penalty If you check in game they don't say anything about having a stacking penalty. I did it my way and then did it your way using your example (scout suit). Using one module you got 38.25 AseairNow wrote: it would look like this: 45 x .85 = 38.25 Using one module i got 38.3 They seem close enough, don't you think?
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 536	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:21:00 - [13] - Quote They do have stacking penalties Assuming you have lvl 5 Dampening, your profile would be something like: 50 * 0.9 * (1 - 0.85) * ( 1 - 0.85 0.86 ) = 33.3 50 0.9 * (1 - 0.85) * ( 1 - 0.85 0.86 ) ( 1 - 0.85 * 0.56) = 30.5 Edit: Even though the game doesn't mention it, they do. There have been numerous tests over it and I believe a Dev even confirmed it recently.
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 110	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:28:00 - [14] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: They do have stacking penalties Assuming you have lvl 5 Dampening, your profile would be something like: 50 * 0.9 * (1 - 0.85) * ( 1 - 0.85 0.86 ) = 33.3 50 0.9 * (1 - 0.85) * ( 1 - 0.85 0.86 ) ( 1 - 0.85 * 0.56) = 30.5 Edit: Even though the game doesn't mention it, they do. There have been numerous tests over it and I believe a Dev even confirmed it recently. So that's the math you guys used, huh? I did 50 * .15 (15% in decimal form) = the number I subtract from 50 to get my new signature. (when using one module) and 50 * .30 (.15+.15 or 15%+15%) = the number I subtract from 50 to get my new signature. (for 2 modules)
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 641	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:30:00 - [15] - Quote Gallenteans are the best for we fight for freedom! I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 110	Posted - 2013.11.02 05:35:00 - [16] - Quote Also, where do you guys keep coming up with that it has stacking penalties? It says it in the in-game item description if an item has stacking penalties and it doesn't on these. 'Tether' Complex Shield Regulator wrote: Reduces the length of the delay before shield recharge begins. NOTE: Stacking penalties apply to this module; the effectiveness of each additional module (after the first) that alters the same attributes will be reduced. Complex Profile Dampener wrote: Decreases drospuit's scan profile making it harder to detect by scanning systems.
Assert Dominance MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 420	Posted - 2013.11.02 06:38:00 - [17] - Quote All militia fit with dampeners. oh dam, watch out for this guy on the battlefield. Edit: btw, dampeners do get stacking penalty. GM confirmed it. Put glaze on that bun.
Aqua-Regia 503	Posted - 2013.11.02 06:48:00 - [18] - Quote I wake up to find pc on and the first thing I get after reloading the page is this **. Why do people come up with the most up with free fitting that making this game isk payout so low. Only dampeners my god you poor ass player. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó SoonGäó** GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòªGòºGò¼GòínoneGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòú00GòáGòòGòÜGòí00GòPGò¢
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 537	Posted - 2013.11.02 06:48:00 - [19] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: Also, where do you guys keep coming up with that it has stacking penalties? It says it in the in-game item description if an item has stacking penalties and it doesn't on these. As I said, through the tests conducted by many people. And as of a few days ago, there is this Galante scouts GM Scotsman wrote: FYI... Precision Enhancers, Profile Dampeners and Range Amplifiers all incur stacking penalties. I appreciate that not all modules mention this in the description field of the information box, but this is something being looked at.
Chad Michael Murray NECROM0NGERS 128	Posted - 2013.11.02 07:46:00 - [20] - Quote Without all the math you could have just said "They're not Caldari!" /thread

Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1719	Posted - 2013.11.02 08:05:00 - [21] - Quote OP raises an interesting point. If OP believes that hiding from scanners is a big deal, surely others do too. Which inversely means there are people who trust their scanners too much. I know I rarely check these days to see if there has been some margin of error or not. EWAR is getting interesting. This reliance on scanners could people dropping their situational awareness and trusting whatever the scanner displays... we need some decoy equipment. > "I will show you fear in a handful of dust." T.S. Eliot, The Wasteland
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:08:00 - [22] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: OP raises an interesting point. If OP believes that hiding from scanners is a big deal, surely others do too. Which inversely means there are people who trust their scanners too much. mhm. That's exactly the point. I've been able to walk straight at enemies (but with obstacles blocking view) and since I didn't appear on scanners they had no idea I was there and took way to long to figure out where I was shooting from. I also once hid in a niche in a wall as 1 heavy, 2 logis, 3 infantry and a tank walked by (Edit: It was Domination and I was right next to the objective). One of them turned to the point I'm fairly certain I was visible in the corner of his screen, but I guess he didn't notice. Now, I don't know what the stacking penalties are, but I can tell you that when using this fitting I have never once been successfully scanned. So it might not be working in theory but it definitely works in practice. Too bad you can't check what scanner someone is using. I've only got profile dampening to level 2 so that's an additional 4% reduction. Not much but maybe that's compensating for my "bad math" and not knowing about stacking penalties. checks Dust wiki So I went and checked the Dust wiki and used the stacking calculator that they've got. Using two 15% dampeners the bonus is 29.99% Stacking calculator I did the math using the formula they give Down at "calculating scan profile" Quote: Sp GÇô (SpDs) GÇô (SpDm) Where: Sp = Scan Profile, Ds = Dampening Skill % efficacy, and Dm = Dampener Module % efficacy. And I got 33.005 dB as the new dropsuit signature (using my dampening skill). That's still low enough to only be detectable using PRO scanners. That was done with my assumption that skills do not affect (or are affected by) stacking penalties. If skills are also affected then the new signature would be 33.865 dB. But considering the example they give Quote: Consequently, at lvl 2 Profile Dampening with a Basic Profile Dampener module you get: Sp GÇô (Sp0.04) GÇô (Sp0.15) and that no one here has been saying that skills are affected by stacking, I think it's safe to assume that they aren't.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1368	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:18:00 - [23] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: OP raises an interesting point. If OP believes that hiding from scanners is a big deal, surely others do too. Which inversely means there are people who trust their scanners too much. mhm. That's exactly the point. I've been able to walk straight at enemies (but with obstacles blocking view) and since I didn't appear on scanners they had no idea I was there and took way to long to figure out where I was shooting from. I also once hid in a niche in a wall as 1 heavy, 2 logis, 3 infantry and a tank walked by (Edit: It was Domination and I was right next to the objective). One of them turned to the point I'm fairly certain I was visible in the corner of his screen, but I guess he didn't notice. Now, I don't know what the stacking penalties are, but I can tell you that when using this fitting I have never once been successfully scanned. So it might not be working in theory but it definitely works in practice. Too bad you can't check what scanner someone is using. I've only got profile dampening to level 2 so that's an additional 4% reduction. Not much but maybe that's compensating for my "bad math" and not knowing about stacking penalties. checks Dust wiki So I went and checked the Dust wiki and used the stacking calculator that they've got. Using two 15% dampeners the bonus is 29.99% Stacking calculator I did the math using the formula they give Down at "calculating scan profile" Quote: Sp GÇô (SpDs) GÇô (SpDm) Where: Sp = Scan Profile, Ds = Dampening Skill % efficacy, and Dm = Dampener Module % efficacy. And I got 33.005 dB as the new dropsuit signature (using my dampening skill). That's still low enough to only be detectable using PRO scanners. That was done with my assumption that skills do not affect (or are affected by) stacking penalties. If skills are also affected then the new signature would be 33.865 dB. But considering the example they give Quote: Consequently, at lvl 2 Profile Dampening with a Basic Profile Dampener module you get: Sp GÇô (Sp0.04) GÇô (Sp0.15) and that no one here has been saying that skills are affected by stacking, I think it's safe to assume that they aren't. I know it's not above STD. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:51:00 - [24] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: I know it's not above STD. Above? lowest number wins, not highest, but I understand what you're getting at. If your on right now we can go and do some tests if you want. I'll stand on one side of a wall, you'll stand on the other (so visual scan doesn't affect) then you can try scanning me using various level scanners. Like I said, using their formula and their calculator the results are: (first I'll list off active scanner precisions) STD: 46 dB precision 'Eclipse': 36 dB precision ADV: 36 dB precision PRO: 28 dB precision Duvolle Focused Active Scanner: 15 dB precision I'll be using level 0 Profile Dampening on the Gallente Frontline starter fit frame (base is 50 dB) 1 MLT profile dampener: 42.5 dB \| detectable by 'Eclipse' and better 2 MLT profile dampeners: 35.005 dB \| detectable by PRO and better (beats the ADV by .995 dB) 3 MLT profile dampeners: 29.44 dB \| detectable by PRO and better Now I'll use level 2 Profile Dampening on the Gallente Frontline starter fit frame (base is 50 dB) 1 MLT profile dampener: 40.5 dB \| detectable by 'Eclipse and better 2 MLT profile dampeners: 33.005 dB \| detectable by PRO and better 3 MLT profile dampeners: 27.44 dB \| detectable by Duvolle Focused Active Scanner only (beats PRO by .56 dB)
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:54:00 - [25] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: also, you got a 28.05%, not 29.99%. >.> noooooooo.... type Quote: 15, 15 into the text box and hit Calculate Bonus.
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 314	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:00:00 - [26] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: You are a idiot. You are AN idiot. Sorry, had to be done.
Rowdy Railgunner native warlords 93	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:05:00 - [27] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: OP raises an interesting point. If OP believes that hiding from scanners is a big deal, surely others do too. Which inversely means there are people who trust their scanners too much. I know I rarely check these days to see if there has been some margin of error or not. EWAR is getting interesting. This reliance on scanners could people dropping their situational awareness and trusting whatever the scanner displays... we need some decoy equipment. How would you do it though? Like in Halo where you send out a hologram of yourself? Or like in COD where you can throw a decoy to ping the scanners? I like both ideas my self.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 954	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:07:00 - [28] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: So that's the math you guys used, huh? Just to be clear: that's not the math we use. It's the math the game uses. It's been figured out experimentally. Even if the results are similar, it's best to be accurate. You could think some combination of modules puts you in the clear based on your math, when it really doesn't in game by some tenths of a point. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 0 (900/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:15:00 - [29] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: ED: I'd suggest using the DUST514 Fitting Tool for things like this. The tool's math and stats are solid, and it gets updated fairly frequently with new discoveries about how the stat math works. (It accurately models stacking penalties on dampeners, even though they aren't mentioned as having penalties in game.) Oooooh! Found it! Hadn't heard of it till now, thanks. Too bad it doesn't seem to have a spot to put skills.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 227	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:21:00 - [30] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: OP raises an interesting point. If OP believes that hiding from scanners is a big deal, surely others do too. Which inversely means there are people who trust their scanners too much. I know I rarely check these days to see if there has been some margin of error or not. EWAR is getting interesting. This reliance on scanners could people dropping their situational awareness and trusting whatever the scanner displays... we need some decoy equipment. How would you do it though? Like in Halo where you send out a hologram of yourself? Or like in COD where you can throw a decoy to ping the scanners? I like both ideas my self. This is a cool idea. Would it be active use equipment? Or a separate module that is set off when scanned?

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 955	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:25:00 - [31] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: Oooooh! Found it! Hadn't heard of it till now, thanks. Too bad it doesn't seem to have a spot to put skills. Second tab/sheet, my good sir. You can input whatever combination of skills you like. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 0 (900/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 792	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:28:00 - [32] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: You're doing the math way wrong, but whatever The Profile dampeners reduce the profile by a %. One MLT profile dampener gives a 15% reduction. So if you equip 2 of them that's 30%. (they don't have a stacking penalty) The BPO you get has a 50 dB signature. What is 30% of 50? 15. 50 - 15 = 35. You now have 35 dB signature. ADV Active scanner has a 36 dB scan precision , that's one too high. PRO Active scanner has 28 db precision and the Duvolle Focused has 15 dB. Where is my math wrong? (I really would like to know if I'm wrong :P) welp... it is a multiplier. welcome to new eden proper math for that is => 50 * 0,85 * 0,85
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 873	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:39:00 - [33] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: OP raises an interesting point. If OP believes that hiding from scanners is a big deal, surely others do too. Which inversely means there are people who trust their scanners too much. I know I rarely check these days to see if there has been some margin of error or not. EWAR is getting interesting. This reliance on scanners could people dropping their situational awareness and trusting whatever the scanner displays... we need some decoy equipment. If only scanners would not give margin of error message... "Just another piece of duct tape" Equality Event
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 197	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:46:00 - [34] - Quote I don't care what kind of math you do for militia suit voodoo... It's still made out of plastic and my scrambler will melt a whole through it soon as I see you. That said, I will give you hats off on using starter fits as a tool though, they are an over looked tool for newbies. When I first joined Dust I played for about a month before I put the first SP into dropsuits. Essentially I had a bank role of about 25mil ISK and actually understood what I wanted to do in the game and figured out which corp I wanted to join. I do wish that I had chose Caldari as a race since I'm specializing in Caldari assault...would have made the bonuses on the start suits jive well.
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:11:00 - [35] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: I don't care what kind of math you do for militia suit voodoo... It's still made out of plastic and my scrambler will melt a whole through it soon as I see you. That said, I will give you hats off on using starter fits as a tool though, they are an over looked tool for newbies. When I first joined Dust I played for about a month before I put the first SP into dropsuits. Essentially I had a bank role of about 25mil ISK and actually understood what I wanted to do in the game and figured out which corp I wanted to join. I do wish that I had chose Caldari as a race since I'm specializing in Caldari assault...would have made the bonuses on the start suits jive well. But I'll be behind you. I just played a Domination using this. I snuck around the back, destroyed 10+ drop uplinks and a bunch of nanohives, and placed my own uplink. While watching them from behind I saw one guy with an Active Scanner, can you guess who I targeted when I began to attack? We still lost though. cough proto squads vs randoms cough Only 3 of my 11 fittings (12 but 1 of them is useless, i just keep it as reference) actually cost isk, the rest are pure BPO. A PRO logi, an ADV logi, and Caldari Skinweave with all BPOs except for a MLT swarm launcher. But despite that I have 3 variations of infantry,1 paratrooper, a BPO logi, a sniper, infiltrator, CQC, and I'd say they're all good at what they do for being pure BPO.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1160	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:17:00 - [36] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: AseairNow wrote: these modules also have a stacking penalty If you check in game they don't say anything about having a stacking penalty. I did it my way and then did it your way using your example (scout suit). Using one module you got 38.25 AseairNow wrote: it would look like this: 45 x .85 = 38.25 Using one module i got 38.3 They seem close enough, don't you think? Someone pointed that out on another post and a CCP dev already said that all the electronic upgrade mods have stacking penalties. Marston VC, STB director
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:26:00 - [37] - Quote shaman oga wrote: If only scanners would not give margin of error message... They do that? -_-" kinda defeats the purpose of having dampeners then. Like how I know when I'm close to enemy scanners when I get the little "Scan attempt prevented" message. They scan, no one pops up but they get the margin of error message "Oh guys, there's an enemy nearby! Let's go get him!".
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:28:00 - [38] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Someone pointed that out on another post and a CCP dev already said that all the electronic upgrade mods have stacking penalties. Someone else already said that, but thanks for saying it without providing a link to the source, it really helps .
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 303	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:43:00 - [39] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: You're doing the math way wrong, but whatever I've made that mistake. The OP needs to use 1.50, and 1.40 for 50% and 40%. As they all stack on top of each other. They aren't 40 and 50 percent of the base. Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:49:00 - [40] - Quote So I went and used the Dust fitting tool. Using my stats and 2 MLT dampeners I got a 35.48 dB profile. So yes, using my stats (profile dampening lvl 2) and 2 MLT dampeners will prevent scans from all except PRO and Duvolle Focused active scanners. And since the Gallente starter fits are the only ones with 2 low slots only Gallente can pull this off. I stand by my earlier statement that Gallente is the best race right now.

Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 193	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:15:00 - [41] - Quote Have an advanced Gal scout suit with 2 basic dampeners + shotgun and a standard Gal assault with 2 basic dampeners + standard tactical AR. Rarely notice much of a difference in the number of times a scan is successful, but the assault provides for more EHP and/or armor repping...and is barely slower (less than .5m/s) than the scout. Either one works great for hiding in the shadows and defending nodes. Life is killing me.
Assert Dominance MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 422	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:57:00 - [42] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: Marston VC wrote: Someone pointed that out on another post and a CCP dev already said that all the electronic upgrade mods have stacking penalties. Someone else already said that, but thanks for saying it without providing a link to the source, it really helps . Oh gawd -_- krom ganesh already gave you a link on page one... This game needs respecs every month. uMad buttsmex
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 305	Posted - 2013.11.03 05:52:00 - [43] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: So I went and used the Dust fitting tool. Using my stats and 2 MLT dampeners I got a 35.48 dB profile. So yes, using my stats (profile dampening lvl 2) and 2 MLT dampeners will prevent scans from all except PRO and Duvolle Focused active scanners. And since the Gallente starter fits are the only ones with 2 low slots only Gallente can pull this off. I stand by my earlier statement that Gallente is the best race right now. Right now I have to say that the Gallente suits are the best. For logistics, their cpu/pg bonuses are wonderful. Their low slots are perfect also for a good tank, as shields are complete garbage right now against AR's and SAR's, which do incredible damage. The Assault suit is also amazing as it has another great fitting bonus for the pg/cpu for the Assault Rifles and hybrid weapons... Scouts are great because of the scanning bonus. They provide the best bonuses for this current build. Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2013.11.03 05:58:00 - [44] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: Ecshon Autorez wrote: So I went and used the Dust fitting tool. Using my stats and 2 MLT dampeners I got a 35.48 dB profile. So yes, using my stats (profile dampening lvl 2) and 2 MLT dampeners will prevent scans from all except PRO and Duvolle Focused active scanners. And since the Gallente starter fits are the only ones with 2 low slots only Gallente can pull this off. I stand by my earlier statement that Gallente is the best race right now. Right now I have to say that the Gallente suits are the best. For logistics, their cpu/pg bonuses are wonderful. Their low slots are perfect also for a good tank, as shields are complete garbage right now against AR's and SAR's, which do incredible damage. The Assault suit is also amazing as it has another great fitting bonus for the pg/cpu for the Assault Rifles and hybrid weapons... Scouts are great because of the scanning bonus. They provide the best bonuses for this current build. That wasn't exactly the reason I was going with them as the best race but ok. I was stating that they're the best race because you get the BPOs of starter fits. That's the only racial difference between any of the races (that affects gameplay) a player of any race can skill into using the suits of any race, but they don't get free BPOs of that races starter fits. Gallente is the best race (right now) because of how many people are running around with active scanners that having a free suit that let's you go undetected is a great boost.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 880	Posted - 2013.11.03 06:08:00 - [45] - Quote So, I pull out an active scanner. These are your options. Play normally. You are all marked for my squad. Use dampeners. You die twice as fast to my whole team. I like that. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 122	Posted - 2013.11.03 06:32:00 - [46] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: So, I pull out an active scanner. These are your options. Play normally. You are all marked for my squad. Use dampeners. You die twice as fast to my whole team. I like that. Actually it's the opposite since I'm a logibro(well aside from my logi having almost 10hp/s armor repair), even my modules are fitted to assist my team. The Gallente stealth fitting I use has 17 hp more than my mk.0 (just added shields and armor together than checked the difference between suits) (haven't got shield extender level 5 yet, so I'm stuck using ADV) I won't have the damage of an Imperial scrambler rifle, but you won't see me coming.... or which direction I ran away in after killing one person from your group. And I have the added bonus of the ISK war, my stealth fitting is entirely MLT BPOs except for my Exile AR and Toxin SMG. (which are both STD BPOs) How much does your scanner fitting cost?
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 881	Posted - 2013.11.03 07:35:00 - [47] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: So, I pull out an active scanner. These are your options. Play normally. You are all marked for my squad. Use dampeners. You die twice as fast to my whole team. I like that. Actually it's the opposite since I'm a logibro(well aside from my logi having almost 10hp/s armor repair), even my modules are fitted to assist my team. The Gallente stealth fitting I use has 17 hp more than my mk.0 (just added shields and armor together than checked the difference between suits) (haven't got shield extender level 5 yet, so I'm stuck using ADV) I won't have the damage of an Imperial scrambler rifle, but you won't see me coming.... or which direction I ran away in after killing one person from your group. And I have the added bonus of the ISK war, my stealth fitting is entirely MLT BPOs except for my Exile AR and Toxin SMG. (which are both STD BPOs) How much does your scanner fitting cost? A whopping 25k ISK and it paints almost everyone. I know, I know; I'm breaking the bank. Occasionally someone slips through in pubs and I get a big "OMG, SOMEONE IS IN FRONT OF YOU WITHIN 30 DEGREES WITH DAMPENERS!" message. I usually run the standard flux, because very few players use dampeners, and even if they did, I'm not so reliant on it as for that to be a major problem. You're basic Gallente suit with two dampeners and a basic plate has 500 HP. A decently bricked mk.0 can reach 800 HP and still have two dampeners, with more gear slots and more CPU/PG to play with. If your proto suits have less health than your standard suits and you aren't running a Scout suit, it's because you chose to do so. I can take a proto suit and fit it with all damage modifiers and cardiac regulators and say it has less health than a starter fit with a plate. That doesn't make the starter fit more competitive than proto suits. How does this make Gallente the best race anyway? Any suit with 2 lows can use dampeners. The only advantage you have is that because it's a starter fit, it's a little bit cheaper. I'm confused. Seriously. Militia dampeners cost a little over 300 ISK and any suit can use them. The militia Gallente suit costs a little under 600 ISK and anyone can use that. The thread title should be "Dampeners are the best module, and here's why," because any suit can fit a dampener. You aren't excelling by slapping your dampeners on militia gear; you're just making it easier for me to kill you. You're proto suit may have less health, but it CAN have far more health and power if you wanted it to. There's no benefit to using militia gear, period, except to save some ISK. There's no reason to start as Gallente for this, when the whole suit without any BPOs costs 3-4k ISK. My point still stands. Either you are painted or you lower your health/speed/repair by sacrificing lows. Dropping down to a militia suit due to my scanner won't scare me; it'll make me laugh my ass off, because you're now using inferior gear. You drop from a 4/4/4 slot loadout of the mk.0 to a 0/1/1 loadout of the Gallente after 2 dampeners, just so you won't get scanned and I can instead see a "warning, unmarked enemy directly in front of you" message pop up on my screen. At this point, I keep my eye out for unmarked targets running around and blast them as per usual. If unmarked militia targets were such a big problem that they were more of a threat than marked full proto targets, I'd be getting militia stomped in pubs every time I left my scanner at home. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.


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