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Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 955	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:25:00 - [31] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: Oooooh! Found it! Hadn't heard of it till now, thanks. Too bad it doesn't seem to have a spot to put skills. Second tab/sheet, my good sir. You can input whatever combination of skills you like. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 0 (900/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 792	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:28:00 - [32] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: You're doing the math way wrong, but whatever The Profile dampeners reduce the profile by a %. One MLT profile dampener gives a 15% reduction. So if you equip 2 of them that's 30%. (they don't have a stacking penalty) The BPO you get has a 50 dB signature. What is 30% of 50? 15. 50 - 15 = 35. You now have 35 dB signature. ADV Active scanner has a 36 dB scan precision , that's one too high. PRO Active scanner has 28 db precision and the Duvolle Focused has 15 dB. Where is my math wrong? (I really would like to know if I'm wrong :P) welp... it is a multiplier. welcome to new eden proper math for that is => 50 * 0,85 * 0,85
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 873	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:39:00 - [33] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: OP raises an interesting point. If OP believes that hiding from scanners is a big deal, surely others do too. Which inversely means there are people who trust their scanners too much. I know I rarely check these days to see if there has been some margin of error or not. EWAR is getting interesting. This reliance on scanners could people dropping their situational awareness and trusting whatever the scanner displays... we need some decoy equipment. If only scanners would not give margin of error message... "Just another piece of duct tape" Equality Event
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 197	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:46:00 - [34] - Quote I don't care what kind of math you do for militia suit voodoo... It's still made out of plastic and my scrambler will melt a whole through it soon as I see you. That said, I will give you hats off on using starter fits as a tool though, they are an over looked tool for newbies. When I first joined Dust I played for about a month before I put the first SP into dropsuits. Essentially I had a bank role of about 25mil ISK and actually understood what I wanted to do in the game and figured out which corp I wanted to join. I do wish that I had chose Caldari as a race since I'm specializing in Caldari assault...would have made the bonuses on the start suits jive well.
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:11:00 - [35] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: I don't care what kind of math you do for militia suit voodoo... It's still made out of plastic and my scrambler will melt a whole through it soon as I see you. That said, I will give you hats off on using starter fits as a tool though, they are an over looked tool for newbies. When I first joined Dust I played for about a month before I put the first SP into dropsuits. Essentially I had a bank role of about 25mil ISK and actually understood what I wanted to do in the game and figured out which corp I wanted to join. I do wish that I had chose Caldari as a race since I'm specializing in Caldari assault...would have made the bonuses on the start suits jive well. But I'll be behind you. I just played a Domination using this. I snuck around the back, destroyed 10+ drop uplinks and a bunch of nanohives, and placed my own uplink. While watching them from behind I saw one guy with an Active Scanner, can you guess who I targeted when I began to attack? We still lost though. cough proto squads vs randoms cough Only 3 of my 11 fittings (12 but 1 of them is useless, i just keep it as reference) actually cost isk, the rest are pure BPO. A PRO logi, an ADV logi, and Caldari Skinweave with all BPOs except for a MLT swarm launcher. But despite that I have 3 variations of infantry,1 paratrooper, a BPO logi, a sniper, infiltrator, CQC, and I'd say they're all good at what they do for being pure BPO.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1160	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:17:00 - [36] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: AseairNow wrote: these modules also have a stacking penalty If you check in game they don't say anything about having a stacking penalty. I did it my way and then did it your way using your example (scout suit). Using one module you got 38.25 AseairNow wrote: it would look like this: 45 x .85 = 38.25 Using one module i got 38.3 They seem close enough, don't you think? Someone pointed that out on another post and a CCP dev already said that all the electronic upgrade mods have stacking penalties. Marston VC, STB director
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:26:00 - [37] - Quote shaman oga wrote: If only scanners would not give margin of error message... They do that? -_-" kinda defeats the purpose of having dampeners then. Like how I know when I'm close to enemy scanners when I get the little "Scan attempt prevented" message. They scan, no one pops up but they get the margin of error message "Oh guys, there's an enemy nearby! Let's go get him!".
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:28:00 - [38] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Someone pointed that out on another post and a CCP dev already said that all the electronic upgrade mods have stacking penalties. Someone else already said that, but thanks for saying it without providing a link to the source, it really helps .
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 303	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:43:00 - [39] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: You're doing the math way wrong, but whatever I've made that mistake. The OP needs to use 1.50, and 1.40 for 50% and 40%. As they all stack on top of each other. They aren't 40 and 50 percent of the base. Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:49:00 - [40] - Quote So I went and used the Dust fitting tool. Using my stats and 2 MLT dampeners I got a 35.48 dB profile. So yes, using my stats (profile dampening lvl 2) and 2 MLT dampeners will prevent scans from all except PRO and Duvolle Focused active scanners. And since the Gallente starter fits are the only ones with 2 low slots only Gallente can pull this off. I stand by my earlier statement that Gallente is the best race right now.

Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 193	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:15:00 - [41] - Quote Have an advanced Gal scout suit with 2 basic dampeners + shotgun and a standard Gal assault with 2 basic dampeners + standard tactical AR. Rarely notice much of a difference in the number of times a scan is successful, but the assault provides for more EHP and/or armor repping...and is barely slower (less than .5m/s) than the scout. Either one works great for hiding in the shadows and defending nodes. Life is killing me.
Assert Dominance MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 422	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:57:00 - [42] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: Marston VC wrote: Someone pointed that out on another post and a CCP dev already said that all the electronic upgrade mods have stacking penalties. Someone else already said that, but thanks for saying it without providing a link to the source, it really helps . Oh gawd -_- krom ganesh already gave you a link on page one... This game needs respecs every month. uMad buttsmex
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 305	Posted - 2013.11.03 05:52:00 - [43] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: So I went and used the Dust fitting tool. Using my stats and 2 MLT dampeners I got a 35.48 dB profile. So yes, using my stats (profile dampening lvl 2) and 2 MLT dampeners will prevent scans from all except PRO and Duvolle Focused active scanners. And since the Gallente starter fits are the only ones with 2 low slots only Gallente can pull this off. I stand by my earlier statement that Gallente is the best race right now. Right now I have to say that the Gallente suits are the best. For logistics, their cpu/pg bonuses are wonderful. Their low slots are perfect also for a good tank, as shields are complete garbage right now against AR's and SAR's, which do incredible damage. The Assault suit is also amazing as it has another great fitting bonus for the pg/cpu for the Assault Rifles and hybrid weapons... Scouts are great because of the scanning bonus. They provide the best bonuses for this current build. Director (Management) D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 121	Posted - 2013.11.03 05:58:00 - [44] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: Ecshon Autorez wrote: So I went and used the Dust fitting tool. Using my stats and 2 MLT dampeners I got a 35.48 dB profile. So yes, using my stats (profile dampening lvl 2) and 2 MLT dampeners will prevent scans from all except PRO and Duvolle Focused active scanners. And since the Gallente starter fits are the only ones with 2 low slots only Gallente can pull this off. I stand by my earlier statement that Gallente is the best race right now. Right now I have to say that the Gallente suits are the best. For logistics, their cpu/pg bonuses are wonderful. Their low slots are perfect also for a good tank, as shields are complete garbage right now against AR's and SAR's, which do incredible damage. The Assault suit is also amazing as it has another great fitting bonus for the pg/cpu for the Assault Rifles and hybrid weapons... Scouts are great because of the scanning bonus. They provide the best bonuses for this current build. That wasn't exactly the reason I was going with them as the best race but ok. I was stating that they're the best race because you get the BPOs of starter fits. That's the only racial difference between any of the races (that affects gameplay) a player of any race can skill into using the suits of any race, but they don't get free BPOs of that races starter fits. Gallente is the best race (right now) because of how many people are running around with active scanners that having a free suit that let's you go undetected is a great boost.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 880	Posted - 2013.11.03 06:08:00 - [45] - Quote So, I pull out an active scanner. These are your options. Play normally. You are all marked for my squad. Use dampeners. You die twice as fast to my whole team. I like that. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 122	Posted - 2013.11.03 06:32:00 - [46] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: So, I pull out an active scanner. These are your options. Play normally. You are all marked for my squad. Use dampeners. You die twice as fast to my whole team. I like that. Actually it's the opposite since I'm a logibro(well aside from my logi having almost 10hp/s armor repair), even my modules are fitted to assist my team. The Gallente stealth fitting I use has 17 hp more than my mk.0 (just added shields and armor together than checked the difference between suits) (haven't got shield extender level 5 yet, so I'm stuck using ADV) I won't have the damage of an Imperial scrambler rifle, but you won't see me coming.... or which direction I ran away in after killing one person from your group. And I have the added bonus of the ISK war, my stealth fitting is entirely MLT BPOs except for my Exile AR and Toxin SMG. (which are both STD BPOs) How much does your scanner fitting cost?
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 881	Posted - 2013.11.03 07:35:00 - [47] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: So, I pull out an active scanner. These are your options. Play normally. You are all marked for my squad. Use dampeners. You die twice as fast to my whole team. I like that. Actually it's the opposite since I'm a logibro(well aside from my logi having almost 10hp/s armor repair), even my modules are fitted to assist my team. The Gallente stealth fitting I use has 17 hp more than my mk.0 (just added shields and armor together than checked the difference between suits) (haven't got shield extender level 5 yet, so I'm stuck using ADV) I won't have the damage of an Imperial scrambler rifle, but you won't see me coming.... or which direction I ran away in after killing one person from your group. And I have the added bonus of the ISK war, my stealth fitting is entirely MLT BPOs except for my Exile AR and Toxin SMG. (which are both STD BPOs) How much does your scanner fitting cost? A whopping 25k ISK and it paints almost everyone. I know, I know; I'm breaking the bank. Occasionally someone slips through in pubs and I get a big "OMG, SOMEONE IS IN FRONT OF YOU WITHIN 30 DEGREES WITH DAMPENERS!" message. I usually run the standard flux, because very few players use dampeners, and even if they did, I'm not so reliant on it as for that to be a major problem. You're basic Gallente suit with two dampeners and a basic plate has 500 HP. A decently bricked mk.0 can reach 800 HP and still have two dampeners, with more gear slots and more CPU/PG to play with. If your proto suits have less health than your standard suits and you aren't running a Scout suit, it's because you chose to do so. I can take a proto suit and fit it with all damage modifiers and cardiac regulators and say it has less health than a starter fit with a plate. That doesn't make the starter fit more competitive than proto suits. How does this make Gallente the best race anyway? Any suit with 2 lows can use dampeners. The only advantage you have is that because it's a starter fit, it's a little bit cheaper. I'm confused. Seriously. Militia dampeners cost a little over 300 ISK and any suit can use them. The militia Gallente suit costs a little under 600 ISK and anyone can use that. The thread title should be "Dampeners are the best module, and here's why," because any suit can fit a dampener. You aren't excelling by slapping your dampeners on militia gear; you're just making it easier for me to kill you. You're proto suit may have less health, but it CAN have far more health and power if you wanted it to. There's no benefit to using militia gear, period, except to save some ISK. There's no reason to start as Gallente for this, when the whole suit without any BPOs costs 3-4k ISK. My point still stands. Either you are painted or you lower your health/speed/repair by sacrificing lows. Dropping down to a militia suit due to my scanner won't scare me; it'll make me laugh my ass off, because you're now using inferior gear. You drop from a 4/4/4 slot loadout of the mk.0 to a 0/1/1 loadout of the Gallente after 2 dampeners, just so you won't get scanned and I can instead see a "warning, unmarked enemy directly in front of you" message pop up on my screen. At this point, I keep my eye out for unmarked targets running around and blast them as per usual. If unmarked militia targets were such a big problem that they were more of a threat than marked full proto targets, I'd be getting militia stomped in pubs every time I left my scanner at home. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.


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