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JL3Eleven
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 09:39:00 -
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Lea Silencio wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Lea Silencio wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:No I just think you are being a jackass trying to save your suit from the nerf hammer. The logi suit can do assaulting better than the assault suit take the blinders off and realize this. Do you want suit setups? I can get 1000+ HP, duvolle, core nades, and damage mod. Off topic....JL....what happened to Anonymous? It's kind of funny seeing you without a corp, bro-ham. Don't know what you mean  Sneaky b@stard. I seez it naow! I know why you didn't have it on earlier... U IZ A SPAI!!!!
I'm Anonymous 
I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse?
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.30 09:42:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:
Please stop.
That setup has beast damage output, repairers, A SCANNER to show me everyone, plus a complex dampener which makes me mostly unseen with my prof. at V. Now drop me in a competent squad and I only need to worry about FGs. Screw running and a sidearm. Trust me man I'm 100% assaulter and now I use a logi suit wonder why?
Because you found the assault bonuses underwhelming compared to the logi. I've been saying the assault bonuses suck, check my post history.
Maybe I should be complaining about assaults being better slayers because the commando sucks.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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JL3Eleven
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 09:47:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:
Please stop.
That setup has beast damage output, repairers, A SCANNER to show me everyone, plus a complex dampener which makes me mostly unseen with my prof. at V. Now drop me in a competent squad and I only need to worry about FGs. Screw running and a sidearm. Trust me man I'm 100% assaulter and now I use a logi suit wonder why?
Because you found the assault bonuses underwhelming compared to the logi. I've been saying the assault bonuses suck, check my post history. Maybe I should be complaining about assaults being better slayers because the commando sucks.
Now dense are you? Screw bonuses they were NEVER a factor in my decision. The assault logi can fit MORE and BETTER gear and the assault suit. Do you understand that?
I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse?
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.30 09:51:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Cosgar wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:
Please stop.
That setup has beast damage output, repairers, A SCANNER to show me everyone, plus a complex dampener which makes me mostly unseen with my prof. at V. Now drop me in a competent squad and I only need to worry about FGs. Screw running and a sidearm. Trust me man I'm 100% assaulter and now I use a logi suit wonder why?
Because you found the assault bonuses underwhelming compared to the logi. I've been saying the assault bonuses suck, check my post history. Maybe I should be complaining about assaults being better slayers because the commando sucks. Now dense are you? Screw bonuses they were NEVER a factor in my decision. The assault logi can fit MORE and BETTER gear and the assault suit. Do you understand that?
You think any new berry can do well with that exact fit? If something takes the least amount of skill to use then you can say its OP.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.10.30 09:52:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Cosgar wrote:
Buffer tanking isn't everything..
First off, how many shots can you get off after a charged shot in that logi suit compared to the Amarr assault before overheating?
Second of all, I know how you feel about the 1.4 changes to game mechanics. It puts an unneeded emphasis on buffer tanking. I have almost 2 million in shield recharge/regulation and armor repair that's pretty much useless right now. But nerfing a suit isn't an answer when everyone's automatic weapon can deal its full DPS without missing. Before 1.4, I could get away with >700HP on my suit and carry proto equipment with little risk. Nerfing logis when TTK is an issue is like nerfing the MD back when aiming and hit detection were a problem. See my point?
I don't use charged shots much, its easier to straight up peck something to death then be stuck with the overheat from the charged shot. I my assault suit i can roughly get off around 22-24 rounds before overheating, against normal opponents this is enough to kill 4 assaults / normal logi's straight up, before overheating Or 2 normal Advanced heavies or 1 proto heavy or proto logisault. If i use the amarr logi or caldari logi, this drops to 18-19 rounds before overheating, witch is roughly 3 assault suits, 2 standard heavies or 1 proto heavy but i cannot take out a proto logi, unless ofcourse they are actual logi's and not logisaults. I just use my amarr suit because it is the suit i am "supposed" to be using in my role, besides in my amarr logi i got 70 more shields and 100 more armor, with 1 dps mod less and i die allot less when i use it. Seeing they are NEO suits, i dont use them much except to test stuff out with them. I wouldn't say the Amarr suit is what you're supposed to use, but it obviously gives you more of an advantage compared to the Amarr logi, right? You get a weapon oriented bonus that you're not going to get from using the Amarr logistics. (or any logistics suit for that matter) All it really comes down to is personal preference, weapon choice and play style.
No my own book of honor i play by does not allow me to run FOTM fits while still being able to sleep at night, the only thing my Assault suit provides me with is peace of mind.
I dont need 24 rounds to kill 90% of the people playing this game, i need around 4-5 rounds per suit, seeing the Logi suit provides me with 18-19 rounds, thats a buffer zone of 13 rounds at the very least.
thats one hell of a margin, i would much rather have a build in Complex Armor Repper, so that i can put something usefull in that slot, i dont even need the speed of an assault suit to properly assault, seeing i run 2x complex armor plates 1x complex repper and do just fine with it, you know what would be even better ?
2x complex Armor plates, 2x complex Reppers + 1 Build in armor repper for an insane rep amount of 17HP/s.....19 if i had Logi at V.
If you ask me what i want to run to be more efficient at killing people, then i would say any Logi suit, i just would not be able to sleep at night properly.
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JL3Eleven
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 09:54:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Cosgar wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:
Please stop.
That setup has beast damage output, repairers, A SCANNER to show me everyone, plus a complex dampener which makes me mostly unseen with my prof. at V. Now drop me in a competent squad and I only need to worry about FGs. Screw running and a sidearm. Trust me man I'm 100% assaulter and now I use a logi suit wonder why?
Because you found the assault bonuses underwhelming compared to the logi. I've been saying the assault bonuses suck, check my post history. Maybe I should be complaining about assaults being better slayers because the commando sucks. Now dense are you? Screw bonuses they were NEVER a factor in my decision. The assault logi can fit MORE and BETTER gear and the assault suit. Do you understand that? You think any new berry can do well with that exact fit? If something takes the least amount of skill to use then you can say its OP.
You're drunk go home.
I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse?
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Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
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Posted - 2013.10.30 11:45:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Couldn't put it better myself. Caldari logi was obviously OP, but with that nerfed I think all 8 medium suits are well balanced (except maybe the Minmatar assault, which could use slightly more PG/CPU). CCP really need to leave the nerf gun alone. Never had issues with PG, but less CPU is what keeps it balanced. Just imagine if you could fit all 4 complex extenders, an energizer and dual proto sidearms without an enhancer of some kind in the lows. 
With my current skills (electronics 5, engineering 3 - what you need as a heavy, my main role) the highest EHP I can get the proto Min assault while carrying what I consider basic gear (duvolle AR, quantum scanner, etc) is 574. That's 200 less than any other assault suit and 350-450 less than any logi suit with identical gear. The suit is 0.4 faster than the next fastest suit (Cal assault) with that loadout, but to me a <10% increase in speed is not worth a >25% decrease in EHP. I realize my engineering is relatively low, but I don't think that's the whole story given you say CPU is the main limitation. (Loadouts tested with dust fitting tool.)
Basically, as a 22mil SP heavy wanting to put most of my future SP into medium suits, the Min assault is the one suit I'd rule out at this stage. I think the strengths and weaknesses are well balanced with the other seven suits. |
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