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General John Ripper MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 11332	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:02:00 - [31] - Quote not another one Level 5 Forum Warrior Prof 5 Founder of the Forum Warrior Club King of Tacos
JL3Eleven 1188	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:16:00 - [32] - Quote Logi suit best suit. I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse? Forums > Game Oh I almost forgot... Can I haz ur stuff?
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1035	Posted - 2013.10.30 06:41:00 - [33] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: Cosgar wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Cosgar wrote: Look at the logistics base stats, and then look at the assault's base stats, now look at all the available modules aside from shield extenders and plates. That's why I'm going to say no. PS- Use the search function, we don't need 43985304578309 topics about the same damn thing. Opinion respected PS- Im never going to use the search function to type in a dead thread. There's 3 live topics in feedback and 3 in general discussion that have responses within 5 hours. Bump one of them. no offense, but seriously, who made you forum moderator? if you don't like what the community chooses to discuss then dont participate.... you came in my thread trying to tell me what to do and acting like you already settled this topic and now I see you doing it in this thread... tell us how what you think, but dont tell us what to do... Who made you an expert on logistics dropsuits? I choose to participate because these little QQ nerf circle jerks is why we have only one serviceable weapon in the game, vehicles are a joke, you can ** further than a HMG's range, scouts are quitting, and this game is slowly turning into CoD in space. If you think you have a valid point, I'll make sure I'm there to show you you're wrong. And by the way, you still haven't shown me that epic CaLogi fitting that's faster and tankier than an assault and can carry a Duvolle and triage hives all at the same time. Until you do, I'm confirming that you're just full of **. I never said a suit could do all that... lol... im beginning to think you don't read posts, you just reply to them...
Cosgar ParagonX 6828	Posted - 2013.10.30 06:53:00 - [34] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: I never said a suit could do all that... lol... im beginning to think you don't read posts, you just reply to them... And I've realized you don't know how balancing works. Logistics: -Low base stats -No Sidearm (Except for Amarr which is a hybrid) -More reliant on modules -SP intensive -Expensive -Defensive oriented -Support oriented bonuses Assault: -Better base stats -Fast -Sidearm for more DPS -Less reliant on modules -Less SP intensive -Cheaper -Offensive oriented -Weapon oriented bonuses Not sure how much more I can really spell it out. I guess I could do a spreadsheet comparison, but I doubt your reading comprehension is up to snuff if you're having this argument in the first place. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1166	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:09:00 - [35] - Quote If my slots or HP gets nerfed I won't be able to block shots while reviving or repairing, I do this all the time, I save so many doing this, if I couldn't do this it would suck an infinitesimal amount. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
General John Ripper MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 11352	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:10:00 - [36] - Quote bump Dust 514's #1 Forum Warrior Founder of the Forum Warrior Club King of Tacos
JL3Eleven 1189	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:24:00 - [37] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: I never said a suit could do all that... lol... im beginning to think you don't read posts, you just reply to them... And I've realized you don't know how balancing works. Logistics: -Low base stats -No Sidearm (Except for Amarr which is a hybrid) -More reliant on modules -SP intensive -Expensive -Defensive oriented -Support oriented bonuses Assault: -Better base stats -Fast -Sidearm for more DPS -Less reliant on modules -Less SP intensive -Cheaper -Offensive oriented -Weapon oriented bonuses Not sure how much more I can really spell it out. I guess I could do a spreadsheet comparison, but I doubt your reading comprehension is up to snuff if you're having this argument in the first place. A proto ck.0 assault logi suit is way better than a proto ck.0 assault suit. Not sure how much more I can really spell it out. I guess I could do a suit comparison, but I doubt your suit comprehension is up to snuff if you're having this argument in the first place. I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse? Forums > Game Oh I almost forgot... Can I haz ur stuff?
Cosgar ParagonX 6836	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:39:00 - [38] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: A proto ck.0 assault logi suit is way better than a proto ck.0 assault suit. Not sure how much more I can really spell it out. I guess I could do a suit comparison, but I doubt your suit comprehension is up to snuff if you're having this argument in the first place. You forgot the part where you use some kind of example. But good thing I can easily find one in one of the many speed topics: DeathwindRising wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: but not by enough to make a real impact on the field... scout scanning doesn't win battles or accrue many WPs heavies may have more ehp now but they are still slow as turtles... and the only place turtles win races is in the storybooks... ill take my caldari tanked suit I fit with all complex extenders 1 enhanced dmg mod and all bpo militia plates for a total of 1029 ehp or fit a few enhanced plates and eek out about 1200 ehp over the heavies extra few hundred, plus I can fit triage hives and some remotes for an even larger advantage over the heavy... Im just not seeing a convincing argument to run anything but a logi unless youre a masochist... a proto caldari logi suit with 515 shields and 288 armor takes 33.75 seconds to recharge its shield from 0 to 515. because its recharge is only 20 hp/s an proto caldari assault suit with 392 shields and 150 armor takes 8.4 seconds to recharge its shields from 0 to 392. because its shield recharge is 84.48 hp/s it would take that logi 27.6 seconds to recharge 392 shields... so unless all your enemies are standing out in the open or simply letting you shoot them, that logi suit isnt what you want to be in for multiple fights. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 162	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:41:00 - [39] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: I never said a suit could do all that... lol... im beginning to think you don't read posts, you just reply to them... And I've realized you don't know how balancing works. Logistics: -Low base stats -No Sidearm (Except for Amarr which is a hybrid) -More reliant on modules -SP intensive -Expensive -Defensive oriented -Support oriented bonuses Assault: -Better base stats -Fast -Sidearm for more DPS -Less reliant on modules -Less SP intensive -Cheaper -Offensive oriented -Weapon oriented bonuses Not sure how much more I can really spell it out. I guess I could do a spreadsheet comparison, but I doubt your reading comprehension is up to snuff if you're having this argument in the first place. Couldn't put it better myself. Caldari logi was obviously OP, but with that nerfed I think all 8 medium suits are well balanced (except maybe the Minmatar assault, which could use slightly more PG/CPU). CCP really need to leave the nerf gun alone.
Cosgar ParagonX 6836	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:42:00 - [40] - Quote I have 5 months of logi vs assault topics saved, I've seen just about every argument and can produce and even quote better counter arguments from better topics. Difference between back then and now is people actually used math and were still wrong. Now it's all about "Mom! He has more slots than me!" I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

JL3Eleven 1189	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:42:00 - [41] - Quote Cosgar wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: A proto ck.0 assault logi suit is way better than a proto ck.0 assault suit. Not sure how much more I can really spell it out. I guess I could do a suit comparison, but I doubt your suit comprehension is up to snuff if you're having this argument in the first place. You forgot the part where you use some kind of example. But good thing I can easily find one in one of the many speed topics: DeathwindRising wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: but not by enough to make a real impact on the field... scout scanning doesn't win battles or accrue many WPs heavies may have more ehp now but they are still slow as turtles... and the only place turtles win races is in the storybooks... ill take my caldari tanked suit I fit with all complex extenders 1 enhanced dmg mod and all bpo militia plates for a total of 1029 ehp or fit a few enhanced plates and eek out about 1200 ehp over the heavies extra few hundred, plus I can fit triage hives and some remotes for an even larger advantage over the heavy... Im just not seeing a convincing argument to run anything but a logi unless youre a masochist... a proto caldari logi suit with 515 shields and 288 armor takes 33.75 seconds to recharge its shield from 0 to 515. because its recharge is only 20 hp/s an proto caldari assault suit with 392 shields and 150 armor takes 8.4 seconds to recharge its shields from 0 to 392. because its shield recharge is 84.48 hp/s it would take that logi 27.6 seconds to recharge 392 shields... so unless all your enemies are standing out in the open or simply letting you shoot them, that logi suit isnt what you want to be in for multiple fights. So you're whole argument is based on shield regin? lol. I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse? Forums > Game Oh I almost forgot... Can I haz ur stuff?
Cosgar ParagonX 6836	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:45:00 - [42] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Couldn't put it better myself. Caldari logi was obviously OP, but with that nerfed I think all 8 medium suits are well balanced (except maybe the Minmatar assault, which could use slightly more PG/CPU). CCP really need to leave the nerf gun alone. Never had issues with PG, but less CPU is what keeps it balanced. Just imagine if you could fit all 4 complex extenders, an energizer and dual proto sidearms without an enhancer of some kind in the lows. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Cosgar ParagonX 6836	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:47:00 - [43] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Cosgar wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: A proto ck.0 assault logi suit is way better than a proto ck.0 assault suit. Not sure how much more I can really spell it out. I guess I could do a suit comparison, but I doubt your suit comprehension is up to snuff if you're having this argument in the first place. You forgot the part where you use some kind of example. But good thing I can easily find one in one of the many speed topics: DeathwindRising wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: but not by enough to make a real impact on the field... scout scanning doesn't win battles or accrue many WPs heavies may have more ehp now but they are still slow as turtles... and the only place turtles win races is in the storybooks... ill take my caldari tanked suit I fit with all complex extenders 1 enhanced dmg mod and all bpo militia plates for a total of 1029 ehp or fit a few enhanced plates and eek out about 1200 ehp over the heavies extra few hundred, plus I can fit triage hives and some remotes for an even larger advantage over the heavy... Im just not seeing a convincing argument to run anything but a logi unless youre a masochist... a proto caldari logi suit with 515 shields and 288 armor takes 33.75 seconds to recharge its shield from 0 to 515. because its recharge is only 20 hp/s an proto caldari assault suit with 392 shields and 150 armor takes 8.4 seconds to recharge its shields from 0 to 392. because its shield recharge is 84.48 hp/s it would take that logi 27.6 seconds to recharge 392 shields... so unless all your enemies are standing out in the open or simply letting you shoot them, that logi suit isnt what you want to be in for multiple fights. So you're whole argument is based on shield regin? lol. And yours is apparently based on being a deadpan snarker. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Rei Shepard Spectre II 764	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:47:00 - [44] - Quote Quote: a proto caldari logi suit with 515 shields and 288 armor takes 33.75 seconds to recharge its shield from 0 to 515. because its recharge is only 20 hp/s This is a suit that can survive a direct hit from my Scrambler and survive / counter me. Quote: an proto caldari assault suit with 392 shields and 150 armor takes 8.4 seconds to recharge its shields from 0 to 392. because its shield recharge is 84.48 hp/s This is a suit fit that gets lolgibbed where it stands.
Cosgar ParagonX 6836	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:53:00 - [45] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: a proto caldari logi suit with 515 shields and 288 armor takes 33.75 seconds to recharge its shield from 0 to 515. because its recharge is only 20 hp/s This is a suit that can survive a direct hit from my Scrambler and survive / counter me. Quote: an proto caldari assault suit with 392 shields and 150 armor takes 8.4 seconds to recharge its shields from 0 to 392. because its shield recharge is 84.48 hp/s This is a suit fit that gets lolgibbed where it stands. Even if the logi survives the shot, he's still going to be severely weakened right? If not, it'll take forever for his shields to pop and even longer to get back to full HP since he's disregarding his shield recharging modules and his bonus that actually makes regulators worth using. Buffer tanking isn't everything. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
JL3Eleven 1189	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:54:00 - [46] - Quote Cosgar wrote: And yours is apparently based on being a deadpan snarker. No I just think you are being a jackass trying to save your suit from the nerf hammer. The logi suit can do assaulting better than the assault suit take the blinders off and realize this. Do you want suit setups? I can get 1000+ HP, duvolle, core nades, and damage mod. I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse? Forums > Game Oh I almost forgot... Can I haz ur stuff?
Lea Silencio Pradox One Proficiency V. 563	Posted - 2013.10.30 08:59:00 - [47] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Cosgar wrote: And yours is apparently based on being a deadpan snarker. No I just think you are being a jackass trying to save your suit from the nerf hammer. The logi suit can do assaulting better than the assault suit take the blinders off and realize this. Do you want suit setups? I can get 1000+ HP, duvolle, core nades, and damage mod. Off topic....JL....what happened to Anonymous? It's kind of funny seeing you without a corp, bro-ham.
JL3Eleven 1189	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:02:00 - [48] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Cosgar wrote: And yours is apparently based on being a deadpan snarker. No I just think you are being a jackass trying to save your suit from the nerf hammer. The logi suit can do assaulting better than the assault suit take the blinders off and realize this. Do you want suit setups? I can get 1000+ HP, duvolle, core nades, and damage mod. Off topic....JL....what happened to Anonymous? It's kind of funny seeing you without a corp, bro-ham. Don't know what you mean I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse? Forums > Game Oh I almost forgot... Can I haz ur stuff?
Cosgar ParagonX 6836	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:04:00 - [49] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Cosgar wrote: And yours is apparently based on being a deadpan snarker. No I just think you are being a jackass trying to save your suit from the nerf hammer. The logi suit can do assaulting better than the assault suit take the blinders off and realize this. Do you want suit setups? I can get 1000+ HP, duvolle, core nades, and damage mod. I've been playing Minmatar logistics since Chrome, I switched to it from assault because I got bored with assault. I probably don't need to dedicate all my time proving people wrong in these pathetic topics since logistics isn't under the nerf hammer. Think about it, when's the last time a Dev actually said anything about logis since the CaLogi nerf? Hell, it never was to begin with, just the CaLogi since it really could do it all with its ungodly CPU/PG, racial bonus, and blatant shield > armor imbalance back then. They actually did the right thing by focusing on the real issue instead of bringing down Mjolnir on the whole class, proving that mass QQ doesn't get results. Go ahead, post all the crazy EHP logi fits you can. But like I've said before, it's just a tankier, gimped, expensive assault suit without a sidearm. And even if you get an Amarr fit with more EHP than the assault, the assault is better because of its weapon oriented bonus. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Lea Silencio Pradox One Proficiency V. 563	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:05:00 - [50] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Cosgar wrote: And yours is apparently based on being a deadpan snarker. No I just think you are being a jackass trying to save your suit from the nerf hammer. The logi suit can do assaulting better than the assault suit take the blinders off and realize this. Do you want suit setups? I can get 1000+ HP, duvolle, core nades, and damage mod. Off topic....JL....what happened to Anonymous? It's kind of funny seeing you without a corp, bro-ham. Don't know what you mean Hmmmmmmm..... Well, just send the story to my inbox.

Rei Shepard Spectre II 764	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:05:00 - [51] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: a proto caldari logi suit with 515 shields and 288 armor takes 33.75 seconds to recharge its shield from 0 to 515. because its recharge is only 20 hp/s This is a suit that can survive a direct hit from my Scrambler and survive / counter me. Quote: an proto caldari assault suit with 392 shields and 150 armor takes 8.4 seconds to recharge its shields from 0 to 392. because its shield recharge is 84.48 hp/s This is a suit fit that gets lolgibbed where it stands. Even if the logi survives the shot, he's still going to be severely weakened right? If not, it'll take forever for his shields to pop and even longer to get back to full HP since he's disregarding his shield recharging modules and his bonus that actually makes regulators worth using. Buffer tanking isn't everything. Buffer tanking at the very least lets him regroup to fight, someone that gets instagibbed is dead and costs a clone. I can make a Caldari Logi fit, exactly like my own Amarr Assault fit and still have slots / CPU & PG to spare to slap on an extra 2 pieces equipment and 200 additional EHP, with only a movement penaly of 0.08 ms Ive tried all the regenerator fits, with the way AA works and the damage guns to, not to mention Tank turret damage, Buffer is the only viable fit right now anyone else are kidding themselves.
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp 367	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:08:00 - [52] - Quote sigh not this crap again "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
JL3Eleven 1189	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:13:00 - [53] - Quote Cosgar wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Cosgar wrote: And yours is apparently based on being a deadpan snarker. No I just think you are being a jackass trying to save your suit from the nerf hammer. The logi suit can do assaulting better than the assault suit take the blinders off and realize this. Do you want suit setups? I can get 1000+ HP, duvolle, core nades, and damage mod. I've been playing Minmatar logistics since Chrome, I switched to it from assault because I got bored with assault. I probably don't need to dedicate all my time proving people wrong in these pathetic topics since logistics isn't under the nerf hammer. Think about it, when's the last time a Dev actually said anything about logis since the CaLogi nerf? Hell, it never was to begin with, just the CaLogi since it really could do it all with its ungodly CPU/PG, racial bonus, and blatant shield > armor imbalance back then. They actually did the right thing by focusing on the real issue instead of bringing down Mjolnir on the whole class, proving that mass QQ doesn't get results. Go ahead, post all the crazy EHP logi fits you can. But like I've said before, it's just a tankier, gimped, expensive assault suit without a sidearm. And even if you get an Amarr fit with more EHP than the assault, the assault is better because of its weapon oriented bonus. You don't know as much as you think you do. This is a suit I've been messing around with for lulz. 3x complex damage mods 2x complex shield extenders complex profile dampener complex armor plate complex armor repairer enhanced cpu upgrade a-86 active scanner hacked nanohive Duvolle maxed out M1 Locus nades 370 shield / 261 armor Damage modes can be swapped for shield extenders same with armor rep for plates for more HP. My assault suit cannot do anything close to this for the cost of a sidearm but my damage mods make that point moot. I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse? Forums > Game Oh I almost forgot... Can I haz ur stuff?
Cosgar ParagonX 6839	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:14:00 - [54] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Cosgar wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Quote: a proto caldari logi suit with 515 shields and 288 armor takes 33.75 seconds to recharge its shield from 0 to 515. because its recharge is only 20 hp/s This is a suit that can survive a direct hit from my Scrambler and survive / counter me. Quote: an proto caldari assault suit with 392 shields and 150 armor takes 8.4 seconds to recharge its shields from 0 to 392. because its shield recharge is 84.48 hp/s This is a suit fit that gets lolgibbed where it stands. Even if the logi survives the shot, he's still going to be severely weakened right? If not, it'll take forever for his shields to pop and even longer to get back to full HP since he's disregarding his shield recharging modules and his bonus that actually makes regulators worth using. Buffer tanking isn't everything. Buffer tanking at the very least lets him regroup to fight, someone that gets instagibbed is dead and costs a clone. I can make a Caldari Logi fit, exactly like my own Amarr Assault fit and still have slots / CPU & PG to spare to slap on an extra 2 pieces equipment and 200 additional EHP, with only a movement penaly of 0.08 ms Ive tried all the regenerator fits, with the way AA works and the damage guns to, not to mention Tank turret damage, Buffer is the only viable fit right now anyone else are kidding themselves. First off, how many shots can you get off after a charged shot in that logi suit compared to the Amarr assault before overheating? Second of all, I know how you feel about the 1.4 changes to game mechanics. It puts an unneeded emphasis on buffer tanking. I have almost 2 million in shield recharge/regulation and armor repair that's pretty much useless right now. But nerfing a suit isn't an answer when everyone's automatic weapon can deal its full DPS without missing. Before 1.4, I could get away with >700HP on my suit and carry proto equipment with little risk. Nerfing logis when TTK is an issue is like nerfing the MD back when aiming and hit detection were a problem. See my point? I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1172	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:20:00 - [55] - Quote Attributes need to be utilised to make a suit effective, its that simple. If you think total HP defines a role you deserve nothing less than getting spawn camped repeatedly. An example is how scouts utilise speed with a shotgun. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Cosgar ParagonX 6840	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:26:00 - [56] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Cosgar wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Cosgar wrote: And yours is apparently based on being a deadpan snarker. No I just think you are being a jackass trying to save your suit from the nerf hammer. The logi suit can do assaulting better than the assault suit take the blinders off and realize this. Do you want suit setups? I can get 1000+ HP, duvolle, core nades, and damage mod. I've been playing Minmatar logistics since Chrome, I switched to it from assault because I got bored with assault. I probably don't need to dedicate all my time proving people wrong in these pathetic topics since logistics isn't under the nerf hammer. Think about it, when's the last time a Dev actually said anything about logis since the CaLogi nerf? Hell, it never was to begin with, just the CaLogi since it really could do it all with its ungodly CPU/PG, racial bonus, and blatant shield > armor imbalance back then. They actually did the right thing by focusing on the real issue instead of bringing down Mjolnir on the whole class, proving that mass QQ doesn't get results. Go ahead, post all the crazy EHP logi fits you can. But like I've said before, it's just a tankier, gimped, expensive assault suit without a sidearm. And even if you get an Amarr fit with more EHP than the assault, the assault is better because of its weapon oriented bonus. You don't know as much as you think you do. This is a suit I've been messing around with for lulz. 3x complex damage mods 2x complex shield extenders complex profile dampener complex armor plate complex armor repairer enhanced cpu upgrade a-86 active scanner hacked nanohive Duvolle maxed out M1 Locus nades 370 shield / 261 armor Damage modes can be swapped for shield extenders same with armor rep for plates for more HP. My assault suit cannot do anything close to this for the cost of a sidearm but my damage mods make that point moot. I'll keep it simple. Even with the crazy damage output you have with the Duvolle + CLDM, you're going to win a couple of 1v1 engagements, but you're dead if someone catches you reloading. May look good on a spread sheet but Dust =/= EVE and that second weapon, extra speed, better shield regen, and sidearm to fall back on (or even lead with) matters a lot more than assaults think. But let's call a spade a spade here- everyone knows ARs are so powerful, you don't even need a sidarm. That's the issue with balance, not the suit. You think that same setup would be as effective with a freedom MD or Imperial? Also, you proved my point with saying you can switch the damage mod for a shield extender. You have to give something up to fit something else. Even with all the buffer in the world, you won't have that damage mod and you'll still be barely faster than a heavy with virtually no stamina. Good for point defense, but not much else. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Lea Silencio Pradox One Proficiency V. 563	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:27:00 - [57] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Cosgar wrote: And yours is apparently based on being a deadpan snarker. No I just think you are being a jackass trying to save your suit from the nerf hammer. The logi suit can do assaulting better than the assault suit take the blinders off and realize this. Do you want suit setups? I can get 1000+ HP, duvolle, core nades, and damage mod. Off topic....JL....what happened to Anonymous? It's kind of funny seeing you without a corp, bro-ham. Don't know what you mean Sneaky b@stard. I seez it naow! I know why you didn't have it on earlier... U IZ A SPAI!!!!
Rei Shepard Spectre II 766	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:32:00 - [58] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Buffer tanking isn't everything.. First off, how many shots can you get off after a charged shot in that logi suit compared to the Amarr assault before overheating? Second of all, I know how you feel about the 1.4 changes to game mechanics. It puts an unneeded emphasis on buffer tanking. I have almost 2 million in shield recharge/regulation and armor repair that's pretty much useless right now. But nerfing a suit isn't an answer when everyone's automatic weapon can deal its full DPS without missing. Before 1.4, I could get away with >700HP on my suit and carry proto equipment with little risk. Nerfing logis when TTK is an issue is like nerfing the MD back when aiming and hit detection were a problem. See my point? I don't use charged shots much, its easier to straight up peck something to death then be stuck with the overheat from the charged shot. I my assault suit i can roughly get off around 22-24 rounds before overheating, against normal opponents this is enough to kill 4 assaults / normal logi's straight up, before overheating Or 2 normal Advanced heavies or 1 proto heavy or proto logisault. If i use the amarr logi or caldari logi, this drops to 18-19 rounds before overheating, witch is roughly 3 assault suits, 2 standard heavies or 1 proto heavy but i cannot take out a proto logi, unless ofcourse they are actual logi's and not logisaults. I just use my amarr suit because it is the suit i am "supposed" to be using in my role, besides in my amarr logi i got 70 more shields and 100 more armor, with 1 dps mod less and i die allot less when i use it. Seeing they are NEO suits, i dont use them much except to test stuff out with them. Edit: if i we someone that used the AR i would be using a Caldari Logi, nothing beats that suit in versatility and assault capabilities if you need it.
Cosgar ParagonX 6840	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:37:00 - [59] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Cosgar wrote: Buffer tanking isn't everything.. First off, how many shots can you get off after a charged shot in that logi suit compared to the Amarr assault before overheating? Second of all, I know how you feel about the 1.4 changes to game mechanics. It puts an unneeded emphasis on buffer tanking. I have almost 2 million in shield recharge/regulation and armor repair that's pretty much useless right now. But nerfing a suit isn't an answer when everyone's automatic weapon can deal its full DPS without missing. Before 1.4, I could get away with >700HP on my suit and carry proto equipment with little risk. Nerfing logis when TTK is an issue is like nerfing the MD back when aiming and hit detection were a problem. See my point? I don't use charged shots much, its easier to straight up peck something to death then be stuck with the overheat from the charged shot. I my assault suit i can roughly get off around 22-24 rounds before overheating, against normal opponents this is enough to kill 4 assaults / normal logi's straight up, before overheating Or 2 normal Advanced heavies or 1 proto heavy or proto logisault. If i use the amarr logi or caldari logi, this drops to 18-19 rounds before overheating, witch is roughly 3 assault suits, 2 standard heavies or 1 proto heavy but i cannot take out a proto logi, unless ofcourse they are actual logi's and not logisaults. I just use my amarr suit because it is the suit i am "supposed" to be using in my role, besides in my amarr logi i got 70 more shields and 100 more armor, with 1 dps mod less and i die allot less when i use it. Seeing they are NEO suits, i dont use them much except to test stuff out with them. I wouldn't say the Amarr suit is what you're supposed to use, but it obviously gives you more of an advantage compared to the Amarr logi, right? You get a weapon oriented bonus that you're not going to get from using the Amarr logistics. (or any logistics suit for that matter) All it really comes down to is personal preference, weapon choice and play style. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
JL3Eleven A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 1189	Posted - 2013.10.30 09:37:00 - [60] - Quote Cosgar wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Cosgar wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Cosgar wrote: And yours is apparently based on being a deadpan snarker. No I just think you are being a jackass trying to save your suit from the nerf hammer. The logi suit can do assaulting better than the assault suit take the blinders off and realize this. Do you want suit setups? I can get 1000+ HP, duvolle, core nades, and damage mod. I've been playing Minmatar logistics since Chrome, I switched to it from assault because I got bored with assault. I probably don't need to dedicate all my time proving people wrong in these pathetic topics since logistics isn't under the nerf hammer. Think about it, when's the last time a Dev actually said anything about logis since the CaLogi nerf? Hell, it never was to begin with, just the CaLogi since it really could do it all with its ungodly CPU/PG, racial bonus, and blatant shield > armor imbalance back then. They actually did the right thing by focusing on the real issue instead of bringing down Mjolnir on the whole class, proving that mass QQ doesn't get results. Go ahead, post all the crazy EHP logi fits you can. But like I've said before, it's just a tankier, gimped, expensive assault suit without a sidearm. And even if you get an Amarr fit with more EHP than the assault, the assault is better because of its weapon oriented bonus. You don't know as much as you think you do. This is a suit I've been messing around with for lulz. 3x complex damage mods 2x complex shield extenders complex profile dampener complex armor plate complex armor repairer enhanced cpu upgrade a-86 active scanner hacked nanohive Duvolle maxed out M1 Locus nades 370 shield / 261 armor Damage modes can be swapped for shield extenders same with armor rep for plates for more HP. My assault suit cannot do anything close to this for the cost of a sidearm but my damage mods make that point moot. I'll keep it simple. Even with the crazy damage output you have with the Duvolle + CLDM, you're going to win a couple of 1v1 engagements, but you're dead if someone catches you reloading. May look good on a spread sheet but Dust =/= EVE and that second weapon, extra speed, better shield regen, and sidearm to fall back on (or even lead with) matters a lot more than assaults think. But let's call a spade a spade here- everyone knows ARs are so powerful, you don't even need a sidarm. That's the issue with balance, not the suit. You think that same setup would be as effective with a freedom MD or Imperial? Also, you proved my point with saying you can switch the damage mod for a shield extender. You have to give something up to fit something else. Even with all the buffer in the world, you won't have that damage mod and you'll still be barely faster than a heavy with virtually no stamina. Good for point defense, but not much else. Please stop. That setup has beast damage output, repairers, A SCANNER to show me everyone, plus a complex dampener which makes me mostly unseen with my prof. at V. Now drop me in a competent squad and I only need to worry about FGs. Screw running and a sidearm. Trust me man I'm 100% assaulter and now I use a logi suit wonder why? I'm drunk every time I play, what's your excuse? Forums > Game Oh I almost forgot... Can I haz ur stuff?



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