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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:31:00 -
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Said by Killer-12 "Hmm I think just making the logi get the SAME slot load out as an assault and SAME HP and SAME PG/CPU with a base 50% reduction to equipment PG/CPU usage and 5% per level might do the trick..."
When I saw this I was like why wasn't this like this since the beginning ? I could definitely still tank with 3 lows & 3 highs with 3 equipment slots & a side-arm of course.
So what do ya'll think.
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:34:00 -
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Look at the logistics base stats, and then look at the assault's base stats, now look at all the available modules aside from shield extenders and plates. That's why I'm going to say no.
PS- Use the search function, we don't need 43985304578309 topics about the same damn thing.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:36:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Look at the logistics base stats, and then look at the assault's base stats, now look at all the available modules aside from shield extenders and plates. That's why I'm going to say no.
PS- Use the search function, we don't need 43985304578309 topics about the same damn thing. Opinion respected
PS- Im never going to use the search function to type in a dead thread.
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Keri Starlight
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
959
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:37:00 -
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What would be the bonus to the Assault class?
(the Logi in this case has more equipment slots and a bonus to CPU usage for those slots. Normally, the Assault's advantage is the sidearm. What would be it in this case?)
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Cosgar
ParagonX
6809
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:40:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Cosgar wrote:Look at the logistics base stats, and then look at the assault's base stats, now look at all the available modules aside from shield extenders and plates. That's why I'm going to say no.
PS- Use the search function, we don't need 43985304578309 topics about the same damn thing. Opinion respected PS- Im never going to use the search function to type in a dead thread. There's 3 live topics in feedback and 3 in general discussion that have responses within 5 hours. Bump one of them.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:40:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:What would be the bonus to the Assault class?
(the Logi in this case has more equipment slots and a bonus to CPU usage for those slots. Normally, the Assault's advantage is the sidearm. What would be it in this case?) Ehh the logi would still keep its disadvantages like, reduced base speed, stamina reduction, slower shield recharge(correct me if im wrong)? plus the racial bonuses the assaults get the logi's will never have that.
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Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
438
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:40:00 -
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Logi's are weak in a full out Assault. They maybe strong in a 1 vs 1, but you get less speed and a sidearm. I am Caldari Logistics proto and Amarr logistics proto, and I would spec into cal assault if I got a respec. I can't stand the slow speed and no sidearm. The AMarr Logistics is a different story. |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
956
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:44:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Logi's are weak in a full out Assault. They maybe strong in a 1 vs 1, but you get less speed and a sidearm. I am Caldari Logistics proto and Amarr logistics proto, and I would spec into cal assault if I got a respec. I can't stand the slow speed and no sidearm. The AMarr Logistics is a different story. Dont worry the side-arm is sooo helpful but if you cant turn that corner in the slowest med suit in the game your dead even before the first shot was fired
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
1035
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:47:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Cosgar wrote:Look at the logistics base stats, and then look at the assault's base stats, now look at all the available modules aside from shield extenders and plates. That's why I'm going to say no.
PS- Use the search function, we don't need 43985304578309 topics about the same damn thing. Opinion respected PS- Im never going to use the search function to type in a dead thread. There's 3 live topics in feedback and 3 in general discussion that have responses within 5 hours. Bump one of them.
no offense, but seriously, who made you forum moderator?
if you don't like what the community chooses to discuss then dont participate....
you came in my thread trying to tell me what to do and acting like you already settled this topic and now I see you doing it in this thread...
tell us how what you think, but dont tell us what to do... |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
1077
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:52:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Said by Killer-12 "Hmm I think just making the logi get the SAME slot load out as an assault and SAME HP and SAME PG/CPU with a base 50% reduction to equipment PG/CPU usage and 5% per level might do the trick..." When I saw this I was like why wasn't this like this since the beginning ? I could definitely still tank with 3 lows & 3 highs with 3 equipment slots & a side-arm of course. Maybe not the same base stats but yea same slot load out is a good idea. So what do ya'll think. The Amarr Logi used to be like this anyway.
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Keri Starlight
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
959
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:53:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:What would be the bonus to the Assault class?
(the Logi in this case has more equipment slots and a bonus to CPU usage for those slots. Normally, the Assault's advantage is the sidearm. What would be it in this case?) Ehh the logi would still keep its disadvantages like, reduced base speed, stamina reduction, slower shield recharge(correct me if im wrong)? plus the racial bonuses the assaults get the logi's will never have that.
Ok, so same CPU, PG and HP but all the other stats are like the current Logi, I understand... it's not a bad idea.
Removing the racial bonuses might be too much, though. Generally the Logi's recieve armor-based bonuses, while the Assault receive shield-based bonuses. I can see the reason for this (Assault suits have their shields restored quickly, so they can keep fighting, while the Logistics have increased long term survivability if they run and take cover to repair their armor), so I think it should stay like this, somehow.
Maybe the Assault should simply get better bonuses, I don't know. Look at the Gal Assault bonuses, they are particularly delusional. The Gal Logi has way better bonuses...
I think this could be an interesting way to balance the two classes, but it needs to be elaborated.
-Caldari Achura - One with the Universe
-Tac AR Specialist
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
959
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:53:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Cosgar wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Cosgar wrote:Look at the logistics base stats, and then look at the assault's base stats, now look at all the available modules aside from shield extenders and plates. That's why I'm going to say no.
PS- Use the search function, we don't need 43985304578309 topics about the same damn thing. Opinion respected PS- Im never going to use the search function to type in a dead thread. There's 3 live topics in feedback and 3 in general discussion that have responses within 5 hours. Bump one of them. no offense, but seriously, who made you forum moderator? if you don't like what the community chooses to discuss then dont participate.... you came in my thread trying to tell me what to do and acting like you already settled this topic and now I see you doing it in this thread... tell us how what you think, but dont tell us what to do... TH-TH-TH-TH-TH-TH-THUNDAAAAHHHHHH DOMMMEE!!!!!!! now back on topic.
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
677
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:55:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Said by Killer-12 "Hmm I think just making the logi get the SAME slot load out as an assault and SAME HP and SAME PG/CPU with a base 50% reduction to equipment PG/CPU usage and 5% per level might do the trick..." When I saw this I was like why wasn't this like this since the beginning ? I could definitely still tank with 3 lows & 3 highs with 3 equipment slots & a side-arm of course. Maybe not the same base stats but yea same slot load out is a good idea. So what do ya'll think. The Amarr Logi used to be like this anyway. Yeah it used to be exactly like that. It was also the single worst medium frame suit in the game when it was like that.
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Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
1077
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:56:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Said by Killer-12 "Hmm I think just making the logi get the SAME slot load out as an assault and SAME HP and SAME PG/CPU with a base 50% reduction to equipment PG/CPU usage and 5% per level might do the trick..." When I saw this I was like why wasn't this like this since the beginning ? I could definitely still tank with 3 lows & 3 highs with 3 equipment slots & a side-arm of course. Maybe not the same base stats but yea same slot load out is a good idea. So what do ya'll think. The Amarr Logi used to be like this anyway. Yeah it used to be exactly like that. It was also the single worst medium frame suit in the game when it was like that. Just stating a fact :D Back when I was a noob I went into Amarr Logi specifically because of the Sidearm at Proto level.
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
1124
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:59:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Logi's are weak in a full out Assault. They maybe strong in a 1 vs 1, but you get less speed and a sidearm. I am Caldari Logistics proto and Amarr logistics proto, and I would spec into cal assault if I got a respec. I can't stand the slow speed and no sidearm. The AMarr Logistics is a different story. Then when you realized your paper if you wish to run a nade side arm and 1 std equipment and yeah bullets go faster than you run |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6812
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Posted - 2013.10.30 02:03:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Cosgar wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Cosgar wrote:Look at the logistics base stats, and then look at the assault's base stats, now look at all the available modules aside from shield extenders and plates. That's why I'm going to say no.
PS- Use the search function, we don't need 43985304578309 topics about the same damn thing. Opinion respected PS- Im never going to use the search function to type in a dead thread. There's 3 live topics in feedback and 3 in general discussion that have responses within 5 hours. Bump one of them. no offense, but seriously, who made you forum moderator? if you don't like what the community chooses to discuss then dont participate.... you came in my thread trying to tell me what to do and acting like you already settled this topic and now I see you doing it in this thread... tell us how what you think, but dont tell us what to do... Who made you an expert on logistics dropsuits?
I choose to participate because these little QQ nerf circle jerks is why we have only one serviceable weapon in the game, vehicles are a joke, you can **** further than a HMG's range, scouts are quitting, and this game is slowly turning into CoD in space. If you think you have a valid point, I'll make sure I'm there to show you you're wrong.
And by the way, you still haven't shown me that epic CaLogi fitting that's faster and tankier than an assault and can carry a Duvolle and triage hives all at the same time. Until you do, I'm confirming that you're just full of ****.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
678
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Posted - 2013.10.30 02:05:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Said by Killer-12 "Hmm I think just making the logi get the SAME slot load out as an assault and SAME HP and SAME PG/CPU with a base 50% reduction to equipment PG/CPU usage and 5% per level might do the trick..." When I saw this I was like why wasn't this like this since the beginning ? I could definitely still tank with 3 lows & 3 highs with 3 equipment slots & a side-arm of course. Maybe not the same base stats but yea same slot load out is a good idea. So what do ya'll think. The Amarr Logi used to be like this anyway. Yeah it used to be exactly like that. It was also the single worst medium frame suit in the game when it was like that. Just stating a fact :D Back when I was a noob I went into Amarr Logi specifically because of the Sidearm at Proto level. I didn't mean to have a hostile tone. But yeah, Nocturnal Soul has no idea how gimped a suit with those stats are.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
465
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Posted - 2013.10.30 02:11:00 -
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It wasn't like this from the beggining because logi's shouldn't have to rely on other logi's to survive, they need to be as self-dependent as possible.
And before you saw, well what about complex armor repairers, I'm gonna say that's not good because people who decide to use logi's for what they were meant to be used for already have a large SP sink to begin with in comparison to other suits
If you can't solo me w/MLT AV, or if you get shot by infantry, it's your fault
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6801
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Posted - 2013.10.30 02:12:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Cosgar wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Cosgar wrote:Look at the logistics base stats, and then look at the assault's base stats, now look at all the available modules aside from shield extenders and plates. That's why I'm going to say no.
PS- Use the search function, we don't need 43985304578309 topics about the same damn thing. Opinion respected PS- Im never going to use the search function to type in a dead thread. There's 3 live topics in feedback and 3 in general discussion that have responses within 5 hours. Bump one of them. no offense, but seriously, who made you forum moderator? if you don't like what the community chooses to discuss then dont participate.... you came in my thread trying to tell me what to do and acting like you already settled this topic and now I see you doing it in this thread... tell us how what you think, but dont tell us what to do... Don't be a kitten, Cosgar is not telling to what you can and can't discuss, he's just telling you there are already a ton of threads on the same damn subject. All you're doing is making clutter.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6801
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Posted - 2013.10.30 02:20:00 -
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Regarding the proposal, I thought about it once myself. I think it would work if logis get a PG/CPU reduction to equipment, AND get a bit more PG/CPU than assaults; you can't save enough PG/CPU to fit all those equipment from just forgoing the sidearm (I think, I gotta check the equipment vs sidearm PG/CPU)
I'm actually perfectly fine with the current slot layouts and base stats of the logi and assaults. My problem is the bonuses, not for balance issues, but because they don't make sense with the roles. Logis should get bonuses to equipment, and assaults should get bonuses to weapons (not HP stuff like shield extenders and shield recharge); would reinforce their intended roles. Thread on the subject.
Yes logis can overcome the lesser base HP and be more slightly tanky than assaults because of the module slots, the lack of speed and stamina makes up for it IMO.
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CharCharOdell
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Posted - 2013.10.30 03:22:00 -
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Umm...sure :) I guess so...as long as we keep our passive armor rep
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
959
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Posted - 2013.10.30 03:27:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Said by Killer-12 "Hmm I think just making the logi get the SAME slot load out as an assault and SAME HP and SAME PG/CPU with a base 50% reduction to equipment PG/CPU usage and 5% per level might do the trick..." When I saw this I was like why wasn't this like this since the beginning ? I could definitely still tank with 3 lows & 3 highs with 3 equipment slots & a side-arm of course. Maybe not the same base stats but yea same slot load out is a good idea. So what do ya'll think. The Amarr Logi used to be like this anyway. Yeah it used to be exactly like that. It was also the single worst medium frame suit in the game when it was like that. Just stating a fact :D Back when I was a noob I went into Amarr Logi specifically because of the Sidearm at Proto level. I didn't mean to have a hostile tone. But yeah, Nocturnal Soul has no idea how gimped a suit with those stats is. Really now I run the standard amarr logi(lvl 2 though) I dont use a light weapon but instead a proto scp with a nanite and bpo repair tool. I do good with a suit fitting I made to keep me in my logi role a.k.a. I gimped the **** out of that suit yet i can still get top of the leader board with kills or just plain wps. Now tell me if I had ADV or even proto how much do you think i'd improve by?
P.S. those stats are just for the amarr logi just to clear things up.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
6818
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Posted - 2013.10.30 03:29:00 -
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And again, we have a bunch of people that don't play logistics trying to balance the class. Stop looking for cheap kills and campaign for assault suits to get buffed. You probably would have one by now if you did.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
809
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Posted - 2013.10.30 03:57:00 -
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First off a logi should not in any sane mind be on the same level as assault. But CCP decided to give logi's more CPU/PG and slots, the only drawback is no sidearm unless you are Amarr. I find this absolute BS. Why is a logi a better assault class than the assault class. The logi gets a bonus in healing that allows more slots to be open. The assault has horrible race bonus except the Amarr. On a proto assault, try and fit a proto weapon with an advance sidearm, advance nades, and advance or higher armor/shields or damage mod. You cant you have to decide what to sacrifice and what you have to have to survive. I have all my base stats at 5 and still cannot make a true proto suit. That means proto weapons, armor/shields, and support items like uplinks, nanohives, rep tool etc etc. I am a proto and I should be able to put the very best gear possible on my suit.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
680
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:00:00 -
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The current Standard Amarr Logi is about as good as the old Advanced one. IMO at least.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
6822
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:04:00 -
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calvin b wrote:First off a logi should not in any sane mind be on the same level as assault. But CCP decided to give logi's more CPU/PG and slots, the only drawback is no sidearm unless you are Amarr. I find this absolute BS. Why is a logi a better assault class than the assault class. The logi gets a bonus in healing that allows more slots to be open. The assault has horrible race bonus except the Amarr. On a proto assault, try and fit a proto weapon with an advance sidearm, advance nades, and advance or higher armor/shields or damage mod. You cant you have to decide what to sacrifice and what you have to have to survive. I have all my base stats at 5 and still cannot make a true proto suit. That means proto weapons, armor/shields, and support items like uplinks, nanohives, rep tool etc etc. I am a proto and I should be able to put the very best gear possible on my suit. Then request for the assault suit to be buffed. How many commandos do you see saying that other suits should be nerfed?
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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calvin b
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
809
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:13:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:calvin b wrote:First off a logi should not in any sane mind be on the same level as assault. But CCP decided to give logi's more CPU/PG and slots, the only drawback is no sidearm unless you are Amarr. I find this absolute BS. Why is a logi a better assault class than the assault class. The logi gets a bonus in healing that allows more slots to be open. The assault has horrible race bonus except the Amarr. On a proto assault, try and fit a proto weapon with an advance sidearm, advance nades, and advance or higher armor/shields or damage mod. You cant you have to decide what to sacrifice and what you have to have to survive. I have all my base stats at 5 and still cannot make a true proto suit. That means proto weapons, armor/shields, and support items like uplinks, nanohives, rep tool etc etc. I am a proto and I should be able to put the very best gear possible on my suit. Then request for the assault suit to be buffed. How many commandos do you see saying that other suits should be nerfed?
There is not enough commando players in my opinion to have a voice. The reason is the commandont is a failure. It was supposed to be tier below heavy and 1 tier above assault. CCP killed the class by restricting the slots, CPU/PG, and it is slow as hell. I would love to see the commando become something special, I would love to try the class out for I like the thought of using two main weapons. I would run AR and sniper or SG and AR, but until they make the class viable it will not be taken serious.
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Meeko Fent
expert intervention Caldari State
1337
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:29:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Said by Killer-12 "Hmm I think just making the logi get the SAME slot load out as an assault and SAME HP and SAME PG/CPU with a base 50% reduction to equipment PG/CPU usage and 5% per level might do the trick..." When I saw this I was like why wasn't this like this since the beginning ? I could definitely still tank with 3 lows & 3 highs with 3 equipment slots & a side-arm of course. Maybe not the same base stats but yea same slot load out is a good idea. So what do ya'll think. This is exactly what I want.
Maybe with like 15-20 less HP per layer base with a logi (that's 30-40 total HP for those less inept at maths)
And due to the awesome bonus logis get they will still be able to fit their equipment.
The med frames should be prett much identical except
Logis- 3 Equipment Assaults- Sidearm
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Cosgar
ParagonX
6827
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:40:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Cosgar wrote:calvin b wrote:First off a logi should not in any sane mind be on the same level as assault. But CCP decided to give logi's more CPU/PG and slots, the only drawback is no sidearm unless you are Amarr. I find this absolute BS. Why is a logi a better assault class than the assault class. The logi gets a bonus in healing that allows more slots to be open. The assault has horrible race bonus except the Amarr. On a proto assault, try and fit a proto weapon with an advance sidearm, advance nades, and advance or higher armor/shields or damage mod. You cant you have to decide what to sacrifice and what you have to have to survive. I have all my base stats at 5 and still cannot make a true proto suit. That means proto weapons, armor/shields, and support items like uplinks, nanohives, rep tool etc etc. I am a proto and I should be able to put the very best gear possible on my suit. Then request for the assault suit to be buffed. How many commandos do you see saying that other suits should be nerfed? There is not enough commando players in my opinion to have a voice. The reason is the commandont is a failure. It was supposed to be tier below heavy and 1 tier above assault. CCP killed the class by restricting the slots, CPU/PG, and it is slow as hell. I would love to see the commando become something special, I would love to try the class out for I like the thought of using two main weapons. I would run AR and sniper or SG and AR, but until they make the class viable it will not be taken serious. So majority rules, huh? Judging by how the AR assault is the only serviceable thing in this game while everything else has been dumbed down, I guess you're right. Now that a few skilled players can kill you in a gimped suit, somehow it needs to be nerfed. As many times as I've died to assaults, I should be crying for them to be nerfed and they should since there's more logistics players than assaults on here.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Cosgar
ParagonX
6827
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:43:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Said by Killer-12 "Hmm I think just making the logi get the SAME slot load out as an assault and SAME HP and SAME PG/CPU with a base 50% reduction to equipment PG/CPU usage and 5% per level might do the trick..." When I saw this I was like why wasn't this like this since the beginning ? I could definitely still tank with 3 lows & 3 highs with 3 equipment slots & a side-arm of course. Maybe not the same base stats but yea same slot load out is a good idea. So what do ya'll think. This is exactly what I want. Maybe with like 15-20 less HP per layer base with a logi (that's 30-40 total HP for those less inept at maths) And due to the awesome bonus logis get they will still be able to fit their equipment. The med frames should be prett much identical except Logis- 3 Equipment Assaults- Sidearm Not every logistics uses those extra slots to tank. I usually fit a complex cardiac regulator and code breaker in my lows and a shield energizer in one of my highs. There's more to module slots than shields and armor.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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