I laugh at everyone that thinks this will affect the FG. We true users of the FG fight on the ground. We don't kill with splash.

Added note: It's funny that people complain about Forge Gun users sitting on towers- I never see them in pubs. Oh, that's right. We shoot them.

Another note: The Forge Gun was designed neither for AV or infantry- it was described as an "anti-material" weapon. Do as you wish with that, but it's as silly to call the FG an AV weapon as it is to call the logistic suit being meant for medics.

2.1 meters on the proto forge is still enough to kill allmost anybody off a objective. A direct hit results in a instakill and where are you basically sitting 100% still? When you try to hack the objective. It doesnt matter if the blast radius is 3 or 2.1 meters you still get blown off the objective when you touch the hacking point. Instead off nerfing the forgegun CCP simply could had put a fence on the rooftops which give you way too good advantage. After all a heavy cant really jump over a fence. Just look at the map with the orbital artillery. Allmost all roofs have a fence to prevent this kind of scrubbery (though there are still spots to do it). And if its not the forgegun people will spec into plasma canons cause they actually have higher splash damage then forgeguns. If you can line up the shot and have 2 guys on a roof the can do the objective denial aswell.

I laugh at everyone that thinks this will affect the FG. We true users of the FG fight on the ground. We don't kill with splash.

Added note: It's funny that people complain about Forge Gun users sitting on towers- I never see them in pubs. Oh, that's right. We shoot them.

Another note: The Forge Gun was designed neither for AV or infantry- it was described as an "anti-material" weapon. Do as you wish with that, but it's as silly to call the FG an AV weapon as it is to call the logistic suit being meant for medics.

2.1 meters on the proto forge is still enough to kill allmost anybody off a objective. A direct hit results in a instakill and where are you basically sitting 100% still? When you try to hack the objective. It doesnt matter if the blast radius is 3 or 2.1 meters you still get blown off the objective when you touch the hacking point. Instead off nerfing the forgegun CCP simply could had put a fence on the rooftops which give you way too good advantage. After all a heavy cant really jump over a fence. Just look at the map with the orbital artillery. Allmost all roofs have a fence to prevent this kind of scrubbery (though there are still spots to do it). And if its not the forgegun people will spec into plasma canons cause they actually have higher splash damage then forgeguns. If you can line up the shot and have 2 guys on a roof the can do the objective denial aswell.

and i will point out that putting fences on the roof of orbital artillery absolutely ruined the map for everybody, we went from a match where a smart team could use verticality to gain an advantage and the opposing team could use dropships to counter to a match where everyone is forced to zerg into each other. putting fences on roofs just nerfs tactical play and screws over everybody, deal with the weapon at hand, don't use map design to tape over the problem.

and i will point out that putting fences on the roof of orbital artillery absolutely ruined the map for everybody, we went from a match where a smart team could use verticality to gain an advantage and the opposing team could use dropships to counter to a match where everyone is forced to zerg into each other. putting fences on roofs just nerfs tactical play and screws over everybody, deal with the weapon at hand, don't use map design to tape over the problem.

Were heading in the right direction CCP! The splash radius nerf is a good start! This will make it much harder to snipe with the forge gun, though still not as difficult as I believe it should be. So lets talk about splash damage on the forge gun to begin with and why many people, like myself, dislike the way its used. 75% of the time the forge gun is NOT used for AV, but actually used for area denial. More specifically..... Objective denial.

"he who owns the high ground with Forge guns owns the match"

The splash radius reduction is good for moving targets as it will be harder to hit them effectively at longer distances while moving. But who cares about that?? Sure its one less annoying part of the game, but whats FAR more annoying then that is having three guys move in on a cap after clearing out all of the immediate defenders, getting to the letter to hack. Only to ALL get two shotted by a forger that's camping on a roof 200M away....... This is ESPECIALLY annoying on the biomass compound, as if one forger gets on one tower, they can guard three letters in that position.

Now what is a Forge gun by principle? Its supposed to be a heavy AV weapon. Not an anti-infantry weapon. And the point im trying to make is that, why..... why do forge guns need splash damage to kill vehicles? They don't, because no AV user in their right mind would go for splash hits over direct hits. And the point im trying to make is that either FG splash damage OR radius gets further nerfed. They can still OHK anybody with direct, and if close enough most people should still take serious damage from the blast. But I truly believe it should be further nerfed in that way because while the changes in 1.6 ARE GOOD, I still don't believe they are perfect.

One less annoying thing at a time guys, and eventually all will be good.

Verticality only really works in a balanced way when there are multiple access points to the high ground. The new Gallente Research maps work well on this front, because there are several ways you can dislodge the squad with the height advantage. They aren't easy, but you have options.

If it weren't for the skyscrapers, Line Harvest would be good and well balanced. The depot roofs, table top and pipes can all be overtaken by infantry.

I actually agree with you about Orbital Artillery, because those roofs already have multiple access points. The near-complete fence blockage really isn't necessary, and just crappy design.

When the only way to get the high ground is dropship, it becomes a game of "FIRST!" and not legitimate tactics.

PC will show if its worked or not

Its a nerf towards killing infantry but not vehicles

I laugh at everyone that thinks this will affect the FG. We true users of the FG fight on the ground. We don't kill with splash.

Added note: It's funny that people complain about Forge Gun users sitting on towers- I never see them in pubs. Oh, that's right. We shoot them.

Another note: The Forge Gun was designed neither for AV or infantry- it was described as an "anti-material" weapon. Do as you wish with that, but it's as silly to call the FG an AV weapon as it is to call the logistic suit being meant for medics.

2.1 meters on the proto forge is still enough to kill allmost anybody off a objective. A direct hit results in a instakill and where are you basically sitting 100% still? When you try to hack the objective. It doesnt matter if the blast radius is 3 or 2.1 meters you still get blown off the objective when you touch the hacking point. Instead off nerfing the forgegun CCP simply could had put a fence on the rooftops which give you way too good advantage. After all a heavy cant really jump over a fence. Just look at the map with the orbital artillery. Allmost all roofs have a fence to prevent this kind of scrubbery (though there are still spots to do it). And if its not the forgegun people will spec into plasma canons cause they actually have higher splash damage then forgeguns. If you can line up the shot and have 2 guys on a roof the can do the objective denial aswell.

Do you think I give one $h!t about weather or not you OR I see them in PUBS????? If I had to give ONE reason why my corp lost most of the individual battles during the STB/AE war it would be because they were able to get forge gunners on towers/high ground that 90% of the time is only accessible via dropship.

I don't give two $h!ts about what goes on in pub matches. You can avoid forge gunners in pub matches. In corp battles YOU HAVE TO attack the objectives. And that's the difference. The FG is an AV weapon. Simple as that. It shouldn't be easier to use then a sniper rifle at the same optimal ranges as most sniper rifles