PC will show if its worked or not

Its a nerf towards killing infantry but not vehicles

I laugh at everyone that thinks this will affect the FG. We true users of the FG fight on the ground. We don't kill with splash.

Added note: It's funny that people complain about Forge Gun users sitting on towers- I never see them in pubs. Oh, that's right. We shoot them.

Another note: The Forge Gun was designed neither for AV or infantry- it was described as an "anti-material" weapon. Do as you wish with that, but it's as silly to call the FG an AV weapon as it is to call the logistic suit being meant for medics.

2.1 meters on the proto forge is still enough to kill allmost anybody off a objective. A direct hit results in a instakill and where are you basically sitting 100% still? When you try to hack the objective. It doesnt matter if the blast radius is 3 or 2.1 meters you still get blown off the objective when you touch the hacking point. Instead off nerfing the forgegun CCP simply could had put a fence on the rooftops which give you way too good advantage. After all a heavy cant really jump over a fence. Just look at the map with the orbital artillery. Allmost all roofs have a fence to prevent this kind of scrubbery (though there are still spots to do it). And if its not the forgegun people will spec into plasma canons cause they actually have higher splash damage then forgeguns. If you can line up the shot and have 2 guys on a roof the can do the objective denial aswell.

and i will point out that putting fences on the roof of orbital artillery absolutely ruined the map for everybody, we went from a match where a smart team could use verticality to gain an advantage and the opposing team could use dropships to counter to a match where everyone is forced to zerg into each other. putting fences on roofs just nerfs tactical play and screws over everybody, deal with the weapon at hand, don't use map design to tape over the problem.

Except that it isn't. It's "Anti-material" not "Anti-vehicle."

I understand the problems with FG raining death from the towers, but I think the problem is more fixable by increasing access to the towers by infantry, not by changing the nature of the weapon. Or, as many have suggested before, have a significant damage falloff at large distances (i.e. the distances from the tops of towers to the objectives). The weapon wouldn't make sense if there was no splash. It'd be like a MD or plasma cannon or grenades with no splash.

Yeah, sorry. I don't give two ***** about what happens in PC. It's laggy, boring, elitist, and demands as much attention as a part-time job.

Balance changes need to be made based on the whole of the game, not any one part. And if Forge Guns present the biggest problem in PC, there may be fixes that don't require changing its performance in every other part of the game.

The statement of "It's an AV weapon" flies in the face of the gun's stats and damage profile and actual in-game usage since beta. The last year-and-a-half says no, it is not just an AV weapon.

As a FGer, I could live with a damage drop. It makes sense that it would have one, considering what it's launching.

On a derailing note, don't bother trying to reason with him. People seem to lose common sense when they go into PCs, devolving into something comparable with CoD players. On this same note, we've been telling people time after time it's not an AV specific weapon. It just doesn't sink for some reason.

Back to the Forge Gun topic, however, I wonder if the people that scream profanities at FGers realize the FG shakes the camera at charge holds?

This isn't a problem with the Forge Gun, it's a problem with the letter objectives. I've long campaigned for objectives to be placed in such a way as to prevent Sniper role players from hitting someone actively hacking. The underground and in-building focus of the newer maps are a good example of this philosophy, but the older maps are probably unsalvagable due to being phased out anyway...

Honestly? These days, I play it as an interesting pick-up-and-play lobby shooter with an decent skill system and good squad tactics if I'm on the right team.

Pubs and FW have been pretty fun from that angle once I stopped caring about corp wallets and turf warfare.

I can understand that most people deep in PC don't care about that side of the game any more. But it still exists, and there's a big chunk of people involved in it. And it'll matter much more once the FW changes are in place.



I disagree. Swarms are just an AV weapon because they can only do damage to vehicles. AV Grenades, likewise, can only do damage to vehicles. They are literally that: just AV weapons.

The Forge Gun is, and always has been, more than just an AV weapon. But I agree with you that it shouldn't be able to dominate the entire map at once.

I've always believed it had the proper built-in weakness, and that is: Forge Gunners are very, very likely to die in close quarters.

Inaccessible rooftops negate that weakness, which is why I think fencing off dropship-only roofs is the best way to solve the problem. Verticality is good, but it must have multiple avenues of access in order to be balanced.

So far, CCP has only gotten that right with the Gallente Research sockets. I have higher hopes for the future maps, but they need to retrofit the old ones to totally solve the issue.

There is no "might be". The forge gun description itself does not identify it as an av weapon. Also, in regards to your "area denial". What's better - 15 wounded but able enemy targets near an objective? Or 15 dead ones? Take a guess.