Everyone thought the game was going to die.
When it was released, there was barely any content - No missions, barely any ships, interesting mechanics like wormholes were years and years away.

Look at it now.

Comparing a space sim devolopment to a fps is silly to me. In EvE - you can run away from CCP's mistakes on ship balancing and go mine something, or explore, or w/e.

In this game - you're simply screwed for the 6 months it takes CCP to do anything. Enjoy being fodder or useless for the time it takes CCP to care. There's no escaping your fate.

I'm guessing it's a lot more frustrating for us then it was for the EvE guys - but idk how eve was at the start. Maybe they didn't have anything but PvP too?

Comparing a space sim devolopment to a fps is silly to me. In EvE - you can run away from CCP's mistakes on ship balancing and go mine something, or explore, or w/e.

In this game - you're simply screwed for the 6 months it takes CCP to do anything. Enjoy being fodder or useless for the time it takes CCP to care. There's no escaping your fate.

I'm guessing it's a lot more frustrating for us then it was for the EvE guys - but idk how eve was at the start. Maybe they didn't have anything but PvP too?

Was anyone around back in the day, when EVE was about a year out? I'm just wondering about the state of EVE forums then and now compared to the Dust forums. Does CCP know that everyone is going to QQ for years before they are happy with the game (i.e. did this happen in EVE)?

Comparing a space sim devolopment to a fps is silly to me. In EvE - you can run away from CCP's mistakes on ship balancing and go mine something, or explore, or w/e.

In this game - you're simply screwed for the 6 months it takes CCP to do anything. Enjoy being fodder or useless for the time it takes CCP to care. There's no escaping your fate.

I'm guessing it's a lot more frustrating for us then it was for the EvE guys - but idk how eve was at the start. Maybe they didn't have anything but PvP too?

talking a whole lot from a corp and alliance that has no pilots.

and yes, pve was introduced 2 years after launch.

Was anyone around back in the day, when EVE was about a year out? I'm just wondering about the state of EVE forums then and now compared to the Dust forums. Does CCP know that everyone is going to QQ for years before they are happy with the game (i.e. did this happen in EVE)?

Comparing a PC MMO, niche game, to a console 16v16, sub par lobby shooter. Best comparison ever

Comparing a space sim devolopment to a fps is silly to me. In EvE - you can run away from CCP's mistakes on ship balancing and go mine something, or explore, or w/e.

In this game - you're simply screwed for the 6 months it takes CCP to do anything. Enjoy being fodder or useless for the time it takes CCP to care. There's no escaping your fate.

I'm guessing it's a lot more frustrating for us then it was for the EvE guys - but idk how eve was at the start. Maybe they didn't have anything but PvP too?

Everyone thought the game was going to die.
When it was released, there was barely any content - No missions, barely any ships, interesting mechanics like wormholes were years and years away.

Look at it now.

Comparing a PC MMO, niche game, to a console 16v16, sub par lobby shooter. Best comparison ever

Everyone thought the game was going to die.
When it was released, there was barely any content - No missions, barely any ships, interesting mechanics like wormholes were years and years away.

Look at it now.

To further emphasis this point...

Just before initial release back in 2003, CCP went to EA Games (yes, that's right. Electronic Assholes) and showed them a concept in which there is a harsh universe where player, not the developers, create the content and establish their own rules and shape the sandbox to their own liking. This was the Eve they envisioned and hoped EA would help publish it.

EA laughed at them.

EA told them that it will never work. In fact, when Eve Online first launched, it was at a time when Earth & Beyond was published by EA. Just like how you see today the various Planetside 2 fanboys all saying that Dust will fail and burn to the ground, many players in the Earth & Beyond community laughed at Eve Online saying the same thing.

A few years later....

EA announces that Earth & Beyond and its servers are shutting down. An influx of disgruntled and alienated players from the E&B community immigrate into Eve Online which then boosted its subscription considerably. EA never forgave CCP for that.

Even then, Eve Online was still weak in comparison to another MMO out there. World of Warcraft. With its millions of subscribers compared to Eve's mere one hundred thousand, many felt that Eve will crumble under the success of WoW. Many players in the MMO industry at the time didn't like the concept of a space MMO that is as harsh as Eve. Most of such players wanted a theme park MMO rather than a sandbox MMO. That and many people were still smitten by the age of orcs, goblins, and dwarfs. As a result, only a small niche group of players remained in Eve Online while everyone else went to games like World of Warcraft and Guild Wars.

But something incredible happened. The few players that stayed in Eve Online forged a universe with stories, shenanigans and adventures that made many players outside of Eve very curious. Suddenly stories emerged of corporate megalomaniacs having an economic stranglehold on the New Eden market but only to see their own kingdom come crashing down around them as a disgruntled director disbands the alliance and steals everything that wasn't bolted down in the hangars while an opposing alliance named Goonswarm came in with swift vengeance and strong resolve.

But it didn't end there. More stories emerged of major events like Hulkageddon hosted, epic battles in low-sec space involving nearly a thousand players, and more. Then came the stories of political intrigue and diplomatic cases when news came of players being able to elect their own representatives to work directly CCP on their behalf. The Council of Stellar Management (CSM) was born and later over the years grew to become the framework for the Dust 514 community's Council of Planetary Management (CPM).

Fast-forward to today....

We suddenly hear news that a ship with an ISK-to-USD conversion value of over $9,000 was lost in a major battle. The best part about this incident was that it wasn't planned at all. It was by a complete fluke of nature that an Eve player decided to warp in a very expensive ship into a trap he didn't see coming in the waiting hands of a bunch of hungry players who didn't expect to see such a ship on the field. The name of the ship was the Revenant which is a super-rare Sansha's Nation ship in which only 3 such ships were produced by the players in the entire market. Now there are only two in the market.

But such an incident pale in comparison to the Battle of Asakai in which a Titan accidentally jumped itself into the middle of enemy territory and suddenly every alliance and their grandma got in on the action causing a massive time dilation trigger in the system so that the server can catch up and process all of the near-3,000 players in the local system. Assets with a total ISK-to-USD conversion value of $15,000 were lost in this one battle that lasted only a few hours.

Stories like these are what caught everyone's attention. But still, that wasn't all.

www.Forbes.com as of December of 2012 reported that Eve Online is the only subscription-based MMO out there that maintained a consistent growth of players across ten years. Even World of Warcraft couldn't top that due to its nature of bleeding so many subscribers at once at any given time. WoW sometimes loses players by the millions compared to Eve.

Then came the news that Eve Online is considered to have the strongest and most vibrant economic model in the entire MMO industry. WoW can't even compete with that model. It was so successful that Guild Wars 2 tried to adopt that same model into their system. Their developers even admitted that they like Eve's model.

Of course, all this still doesn't bring enough subscribers to Eve because... well... Eve is the harshest MMO in the industry. You can scam, gank, rob, ransom, and even buy/sell slaves/hookers with in-game currency while having virtual sex chat with an Eve prostitute and still get away with it because technically you didn't break any rules. Even players who participated in the grand event of 2012 when Jita system was burning by their hands still got away with it because CCP said it was "******* brilliant". It's a little hard to go into a Cantina if everyone there is a potential crook with a death sentence in 12 systems. But that's actually good because then that means only the intelligent players stick around.

Welcome to New Eden.

I think Dust will make it, but it has a few pretty big hurdles. PS3 and CoD. The ps3 because Sony has to have a hand in Dust and also because we are on the cusp of a ps4 release.

And CoD because we have a lot of people who just buy it CoD every year...no matter what.

Incorrect, at least partially:
You aren't "forced" to play Ar assault frame, just because you want kills.
Try out a standard logi with Re's and scanner
Edit: as a matter of fact, you aren't even forced to pull the trigger of a gun. You could even try a minnie logi, with scanner/uplink/needle and be the best noncombat logi- pulling up scans for others, placing uplinks behind enemy lines, and rezzing randoms that happen to be nearby.

Bet you this will be even bigger than that when we get to that point. Calling it now.

The comparison was not so much the type of game, but the way in which CCP develop the games and the community's response.

Comparison seems quite valid.

The community's response? lol

Brings me BACK to my point. PC crowd is not a console crowd. Can never, NEVER compare a PC point and click MMO crowd to a FPS console crowd. Night and day.

You know this really makes me wonder if PC players and console players are really two different people. I'm a dedicated console guy but I also dedicate myself to PC gaming equally. Where does that put me?

Lance - you're old school man. PC gaming is only 'hardcore' compared to console because the games in consoles aren't at the same level of quality PC gaming is. Console will catch up and it we'll see a revolution of new players who take console gaming seriously. It's already happened with the Xbox350.

Lance - you're old school man. PC gaming is only 'hardcore' compared to console because the games in consoles aren't at the same level of quality PC gaming is. Console will catch up and it we'll see a revolution of new players who take console gaming seriously. It's already happened with the Xbox350.

One important point that nobody mentioned yet, is subscription based gaming ONLY works on PC. They tried that on console and it failed. Why? Casual gamers not gonna pay every month to play a game! Please.

PC gamers are on a different lvl to console gamers man. Ever wonder why WoW never made it to console?

Allot of PC games won't see the light of day on console because there's no demand for it, while the demand from PC gamers are high.

*Looks at DCU and FF14* Hmm... what? And Blizzard has been hinting that they want to put WoW on PS4. They just don't want the control schematics to work like DCUO's does where you can only cast up to 6 different spells actively without going through menus. But that's also why PS4 added touch screen to there controllers - more options for designers to work with.

Comparing a space sim devolopment to a fps is silly to me. In EvE - you can run away from CCP's mistakes on ship balancing and go mine something, or explore, or w/e.

In this game - you're simply screwed for the 6 months it takes CCP to do anything. Enjoy being fodder or useless for the time it takes CCP to care. There's no escaping your fate.

I'm guessing it's a lot more frustrating for us then it was for the EvE guys - but idk how eve was at the start. Maybe they didn't have anything but PvP too?

One important point that nobody mentioned yet, is subscription based gaming ONLY works on PC. They tried that on console and it failed. Why? Casual gamers not gonna pay every month to play a game! Please.

PC gamers are on a different lvl to console gamers man. Ever wonder why WoW never made it to console?

Allot of PC games won't see the light of day on console because there's no demand for it, while the demand from PC gamers are high.

I thought people who believe stuff like this guys comments all died of old age....the world of gaming has and is changing..

DCUO, FF14, TESO, divinity, titan, and many more to come on console...

changed to F2P...

what was? ff14 isn't, dcuo ist TESO isn't... and lets be real F2P isn't free, ever... its just a different way to market a product.

Comparing a PC MMO, niche game, to a console 16v16, sub par lobby shooter. Best comparison ever

DCUO when it first launched wasn't much of a game more then it was a rock paper scissors pvp with a boring grind. Since then it's changed a lot. It wasn't worth getting

And FF14 has hit 1mil+ subscribers.

It isn't that it isn't possible. If they remade FF7 with epic graphics and told everyone it had a monthly fee to work - they'd make millions Lol

Famous quote for the DUST 514 Second Decade Box.

Console is majority casual players. I think everyone can agree to that. PC players are more "hardcore" when it comes to gaming, and that's obvious when you're the type of PC gamer that upgrades your PC every few months.

People want to tell me, a console gamer mentality is the same as a PC gamer? lol

You think console gamers will stick with one shooter for 5-10 years? No. Not the casual gamer, and that's the majority of people on console. FPS are dime a dozen.

Hell come November there's:

- CoD

- BF

- PS2

- Killzone

- Blacklight

And maybe a few I missed out. You know exactly what a console gamer will do after playing BF for a year or 2... that's right, move on to the next. That's the mentality, and that's what a FPS gamer does.

Comparing a PC gamer and one that plays EVE to a console gamer that plays FPS is not a comparison.

EVE is a niche game, while DUST is not. Simple as that. If by some miracle DUST becomes a niche, THEN you can compare. But for now, this whole comparison thing between the 2 games is a joke.

bigger than what? EVE? not sure if serious...

bigger than what it is now? Not hard to do tbh...I mean...look at it.

Was anyone around back in the day, when EVE was about a year out? I'm just wondering about the state of EVE forums then and now compared to the Dust forums. Does CCP know that everyone is going to QQ for years before they are happy with the game (i.e. did this happen in EVE)?

i guess this is a "LMFAOROFL" moment, but I don't get it.

DUST is a lobby shooter, and it will always be a lobby shooter. There's no "open world sandbox" like EVE promised back in the day.

So again, you people can have faith and hope in DUST, but until I see otherwise, DUST will always be a lobby shooter.

Meh... I'll wait a year or 2 before I judge a sub based game success.

The point here is that the console market is changing radically to the point where even our consoles are changing in both architecture and power. Even the demographic is changing. At this point the fine line between PC gamers and console gamers is beginning to blur. I won't be surprised if 5 years from now the console demographic becomes mostly hardcore rather than casual.

i guess this is a "LMFAOROFL" moment, but I don't get it.

DUST is a lobby shooter, and it will always be a lobby shooter. There's no "open world sandbox" like EVE promised back in the day.

So again, you people can have faith and hope in DUST, but until I see otherwise, DUST will always be a lobby shooter.

You forget that some of us are forced to move on. If I had the choice, I would stick with playing MAG forever, that game was fun as hell, and there's not been anything quite like it before or since. I didn't get to stick around, because Zipper collapsed and the servers went to ****. Don't you ******* group us all together like we have ADD, you goddamned prick.

Comparing a space sim devolopment to a fps is silly to me. In EvE - you can run away from CCP's mistakes on ship balancing and go mine something, or explore, or w/e.

In this game - you're simply screwed for the 6 months it takes CCP to do anything. Enjoy being fodder or useless for the time it takes CCP to care. There's no escaping your fate.

I'm guessing it's a lot more frustrating for us then it was for the EvE guys - but idk how eve was at the start. Maybe they didn't have anything but PvP too?

^ That's why I'm sticking with Dust

@OP - The forums were similar, however, the big difference is in the two games themselves. You cannot compare the two. One is a space sim on the PC platform. Another is a lobby shooter on the PS3. The PS3 hardware will very soon be outdated. The PC is easily expandable for system requirements and hardware/software. For whatever reason they decided to go with the console when they really should have been developing this on the PC so they wouldn't have to work with a console that is notoriously difficult to develop for.

There is no clear answer, however, my personal opinion is if they keep it on the console the game will fade away to obscurity. Especially compared to other AAA shooter franchises such as Call of Duty, Battlefield, Counter Strike, Borderlands, Bioshock, Far Cry, Halo, and most likely pretty soon Destiny. Dust doesn't even hold a candle to some shooters that are 5 - 6 years old ffs.

EVE on the other hand does not currently have much competition. It certainly had no competition when it was released cause EA pulled the plug on its only direct competitor(Earth & Beyond). SWG also shed almost its entire playerbase at around that same time when the NGE bomb dropped. However, I do think Eve will be hurt significantly once Star Citizen is released when many of their casual players(anyone probably not locked heavily into nullsec activities) will likely abandon ship. SC has good promise, but we shall see I guess.

They could just port it, so point invalid. Also, Dust will have more than just shooting, so that point is also invalid.

EVE on the other hand does not currently have much competition. It certainly had no competition when it was released cause EA pulled the plug on its only direct competitor(Earth & Beyond). SWG also shed almost its entire playerbase at around that same time when the NGE bomb dropped. However, I do think Eve will be hurt significantly once Star Citizen is released when many of their casual players(anyone probably not locked heavily into nullsec activities) will likely abandon ship. SC has good promise, but we shall see I guess.

@OP - The forums were similar, however, the big difference is in the two games themselves. You cannot compare the two. One is a space sim on the PC platform. Another is a lobby shooter on the PS3. The PS3 hardware will very soon be outdated. The PC is easily expandable for system requirements and hardware/software. For whatever reason they decided to go with the console when they really should have been developing this on the PC so they wouldn't have to work with a console that is notoriously difficult to develop for.

There is no clear answer, however, my personal opinion is if they keep it on the console the game will fade away to obscurity. Especially compared to other AAA shooter franchises such as Call of Duty, Battlefield, Counter Strike, Borderlands, Bioshock, Far Cry, Halo, and most likely pretty soon Destiny. Dust doesn't even hold a candle to some shooters that are 5 - 6 years old ffs.

EVE on the other hand does not currently have much competition. It certainly had no competition when it was released cause EA pulled the plug on its only direct competitor(Earth & Beyond). SWG also shed almost its entire playerbase at around that same time when the NGE bomb dropped. However, I do think Eve will be hurt significantly once Star Citizen is released when many of their casual players(anyone probably not locked heavily into nullsec activities) will likely abandon ship. SC has good promise, but we shall see I guess.