It seems like CCP is driving the forge gunner into the only aV role.
aV grenades were great so of course they had to be nerfed. It was never fair that a single clone could destroy a 3 man orbital farming death machine. It is completely fair to hit Mercs with a car though. Just not fair to fight back.

The solo Swarm Launcher was useless unless you were fighting a new or stupid vehicle user.
Plasma cannon is no more an aV weapon than the MD.

I think we will see a resurgence of the murder taxi since personal aV will not be able to kill them anymore. Im pretty sure that the tankers will return to dominating the field.

Really wishing CCP would express their intent BEFORE making all of our SP a waste.
3 level 5 skills now, 3 skills I got to level five only to have CCP make those weapons useless.

But W/e its a work in progress.

#126Posted: 2013.10.26 14:09 | Report
"The game mechanics in this game are amazing. I have no idea what you're talking about.

For instance, I just played a lovely match where the enemy called out 2 Falchions. These lovely Falchions completely decimated all of the infantry before they could get AV weaponry and destroyed the Depots before we could respawn. One of the Falchions disappears behind a wall and never is seen again. This is great, because tanks are supposed to be hard to destroy. We respawn with Swarm Launchers and proceed to drain it's health to a sliver, at which point it strategically flees around the corner of a building using Nitro and Hardeners (strategic outfitting!).

I round the corner with my Swarm Launcher in hand and what do you know, the pilot is a genius! He gets the RDV to magically discombobulate his tank back to whence it came, free of charge, instantly! This was great, because the infantry were now stranded with Swarm Launchers and Scrambler Pistols against Heavy Machine Guns. Now, we die and swap back the infantry weapons since no tanks remain. The pilot, ever so clever, knows this will happen, and redeploys his tank within twenty seconds, fully repaired for free from the brink of fiery destruction!

This happens 10 times and we have the joy of being ping-ponged between AV and infantry weaponry until our whole squad is decimated. Luckily, we win because the pilot wouldn't step out of his precious diamond encrusted missile launching brick to capture the terminal. Of course, we all lose hundreds of thousands of ISK in this endeavor, despite winning, while the tanker lives to tank another day with his supply of instantly discombobulating tanks. This is obviously completely fair that tankers can retreat their tanks 20m behind a wall using their heightened speed over infantry and instantly mitigate any possible loses.

I love CCP. They are masters of game design. They are currently removing BPOs so that players can really feel that sense of loss, kind of like how our whole team really felt that sense of loss. The tanker didn't have any risk whatsoever since no one wanted to spec millions of SP into AV when they can barely kill infantry, but this is perfectly balanced. If we had specced into Proto AV we would've decimated the HAV in seconds, which is also perfectly balanced. "............

quoted from previous chant n rant this morning.

this is a perfect argument FOR proto swarms. as many of you know, either from squading with me, or being on the recieving end of my swarms, i am a card carrying tank hunting breakfast snack many tankers despise on the field. i use my swarm for installations, vehicles, and most importantly DERP SHIPS. if you reduce my damage, and the range, and basically cut the effectiveness of my PROTO weapon i spent MILLIONS of sp to SKILL INTO, well...i just dont get it. obviously there are beast tanks, nitro , reps , and SKILLED tankers that i commend. as well as dropship pilots...afterburners, reps, ONCE AGAIN SKILLED PILOTS, i just cant kill so easily
with even proto av. THATS THE GAME. ive put time and sp into this skill. of course its OP.....so is the tank described above. so what ur telling me is i have to be in almost assault rifle range of a tank to kill it, with a limp di$# nerfed launcher, assaulting a vehicle thats got an effictive range of the whole fuc**ng map, and be successful. i guess for the dropships, since my clone can probably throw peas at it and be more effective than 175 meters, ill carry a slingshot. WTF r u guys thinking? theres not many people at all fully speccd into this weapon, so y do this? and im flattered if ur doin it just for me....lmao...at any rate, if u guys actually played and got ur asses handed to u on a map where theres 4 tanks rollin around, decimating everything, u would feel different about my av support. even the vehicle stats ur giving out dont matter, its still op while its rolling, and without av to take it out we r gonna be in the same position. they hit the red, recall, instant op again. nerfing swarms is none to bright guys.

dont throw peas at you?...lol...i dont complain about too many things, i understand the need for balance. point being im one of three people in a corp of over 200 with proto, skilled up av. surely swarms are not so much a problem as say..assault forge guns. swarms only lock onto vehicles, and it takes more skill than many know to be a proficient av user......im fully expecting a slingshot replacement tho, which i will fully skill into and become OP. be wary tankers, FOOD FIGHT

agreed, and im not whining, simply stating a point. am i gonna get a respec due to chopping my weapon effectiveness in half? hell naw. so we r just stuck. thats over 1/4 my lifetime sp. just gone. and as far as 175 meters goes, how the hell u gonna take out drop ships? and ur gonna die 50 times before u get a tank kill at less than 175 m, which is gonna make swarms obsolete. lets simply throw marshmallows at each other, wear feathers for armor , and have pillowfights at the panel. id skill into proto pillows

lmmfao....as usual. sh**ty thing is i enjoy runnin swarm more than my ar. " my fit".....,

adv min logi , ishuakone assault swarm, proficiency 5, capacity 5, reload 5, 3x comp mods, and k2 nanos.

beast for sure, and more so when in proto suit, but thats my pub fit. ........whats urs?

Hey is reload lvl 5 worth it? I have reload lvl 3 and was just wondering.

Not that any of our **** will be useful in the future to begin with

dont throw peas at you?...lol...i dont complain about too many things, i understand the need for balance. point being im one of three people in a corp of over 200 with proto, skilled up av. surely swarms are not so much a problem as say..assault forge guns. swarms only lock onto vehicles, and it takes more skill than many know to be a proficient av user......im fully expecting a slingshot replacement tho, which i will fully skill into and become OP. be wary tankers, FOOD FIGHT

AV weaponry is getting a NERF but this comes with a whole Vehicle rebalance, tanks will only have STD ATM with less slots than maddys and Gunnos so its not an overall nerf but more like bringing in line both vehicles and AV weaponry.
Lets just wait for the update before whining...
Still a Proto Swarm with prof 4 and 1 Cx Dam mod can dish out 1610 Dm per volley ... The real thing im not very fond of is having to be so close to the Vehicle to shoot at it (175mts),considering their speed to Get out of AV fire as it is....

AGAIN, lets wait till we can see the WHOLE pic before QQin.....

iam a dedicated vehicle user and i have all levle 5 turret skills, armour skills,fitting skills shield skills and propulsion skills for the Gallente HAV's and it ***** me when a wykomi on a MLT suit in the red line or ontop of a building is able to blow me up regardless of where iam.

lols at the all bpo dragon fly scout with only lai dai packednades

Anyone that can make a shield tank seem OP needs a f***ing medal seriously, I tried to use one of the 100 i have sitting in my assets and I just couldn't do it, within 2mins of driving it the only good thing I could say about it was "atleast it turns quick" it was promptly recalled in favor of a Madruger.

armor tanks actually perform better than shield under swarm fire....the shield babys r easy to eat....besides...if u think ur tank is so op its swarm proof all ur doing is reinforcing my argument that they need to just leave swarms alone, they r not that op. if properly skilled into either side its a formidable adversary, at least deterrent ....so thanks for ur support.

iam a dedicated vehicle user and i have all levle 5 turret skills, armour skills,fitting skills shield skills and propulsion skills for the Gallente HAV's and it ***** me when a wykomi on a MLT suit in the red line or ontop of a building is able to blow me up regardless of where iam.

Considering I have personally dueled with your wyrkomi/IA swarms, I can confirm that they were OP as anything I have ever faced. The fact that I managed to kill you 6 or 7 times as your swarms dealt 2k damage a shot, even with max resist shows you something is wrong and it was all I could do to stay alive. Eventually you got me, but not after nearly 50k damage received.

Think about that game. You, one person, solo'ed a milion isk and 15 million SP investment for half the game before killing me. We both ended up losing ISK, despite the skill input was a lot higher on my end given the mechanics of your weapon. You fire and forget. I rep, resist, navigate, and hope to live.

As far as your worries about a swarm nerf, you should not be worried. I have worked out all the numbers and you will easily be able to solo any tank on the field with proto swarms.

further, im not knockin anyone here, so please dont take offense. and wtf is a "placon"

dont throw peas at you?...lol...i dont complain about too many things, i understand the need for balance. point being im one of three people in a corp of over 200 with proto, skilled up av. surely swarms are not so much a problem as say..assault forge guns. swarms only lock onto vehicles, and it takes more skill than many know to be a proficient av user......im fully expecting a slingshot replacement tho, which i will fully skill into and become OP. be wary tankers, FOOD FIGHT

dont throw peas at you?...lol...i dont complain about too many things, i understand the need for balance. point being im one of three people in a corp of over 200 with proto, skilled up av. surely swarms are not so much a problem as say..assault forge guns. swarms only lock onto vehicles, and it takes more skill than many know to be a proficient av user......im fully expecting a slingshot replacement tho, which i will fully skill into and become OP. be wary tankers, FOOD FIGHT

Nope your fault sorry.

This never happens if your good and you should be able to defend yourself against the heavies by using your sidearms.

-Tanker's Logic