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BLUE WAFFLE TASTY
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.26 21:47:00 -
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#126Posted: 2013.10.26 14:09 | Report "The game mechanics in this game are amazing. I have no idea what you're talking about.
For instance, I just played a lovely match where the enemy called out 2 Falchions. These lovely Falchions completely decimated all of the infantry before they could get AV weaponry and destroyed the Depots before we could respawn. One of the Falchions disappears behind a wall and never is seen again. This is great, because tanks are supposed to be hard to destroy. We respawn with Swarm Launchers and proceed to drain it's health to a sliver, at which point it strategically flees around the corner of a building using Nitro and Hardeners (strategic outfitting!).
I round the corner with my Swarm Launcher in hand and what do you know, the pilot is a genius! He gets the RDV to magically discombobulate his tank back to whence it came, free of charge, instantly! This was great, because the infantry were now stranded with Swarm Launchers and Scrambler Pistols against Heavy Machine Guns. Now, we die and swap back the infantry weapons since no tanks remain. The pilot, ever so clever, knows this will happen, and redeploys his tank within twenty seconds, fully repaired for free from the brink of fiery destruction!
This happens 10 times and we have the joy of being ping-ponged between AV and infantry weaponry until our whole squad is decimated. Luckily, we win because the pilot wouldn't step out of his precious diamond encrusted missile launching brick to capture the terminal. Of course, we all lose hundreds of thousands of ISK in this endeavor, despite winning, while the tanker lives to tank another day with his supply of instantly discombobulating tanks. This is obviously completely fair that tankers can retreat their tanks 20m behind a wall using their heightened speed over infantry and instantly mitigate any possible loses.
I love CCP. They are masters of game design. They are currently removing BPOs so that players can really feel that sense of loss, kind of like how our whole team really felt that sense of loss. The tanker didn't have any risk whatsoever since no one wanted to spec millions of SP into AV when they can barely kill infantry, but this is perfectly balanced. If we had specced into Proto AV we would've decimated the HAV in seconds, which is also perfectly balanced. "............
quoted from previous chant n rant this morning.
this is a perfect argument FOR proto swarms. as many of you know, either from squading with me, or being on the recieving end of my swarms, i am a card carrying tank hunting breakfast snack many tankers despise on the field. i use my swarm for installations, vehicles, and most importantly DERP SHIPS. if you reduce my damage, and the range, and basically cut the effectiveness of my PROTO weapon i spent MILLIONS of sp to SKILL INTO, well...i just dont get it. obviously there are beast tanks, nitro , reps , and SKILLED tankers that i commend. as well as dropship pilots...afterburners, reps, ONCE AGAIN SKILLED PILOTS, i just cant kill so easily with even proto av. THATS THE GAME. ive put time and sp into this skill. of course its OP.....so is the tank described above. so what ur telling me is i have to be in almost assault rifle range of a tank to kill it, with a limp di$# nerfed launcher, assaulting a vehicle thats got an effictive range of the whole fuc**ng map, and be successful. i guess for the dropships, since my clone can probably throw peas at it and be more effective than 175 meters, ill carry a slingshot. WTF r u guys thinking? theres not many people at all fully speccd into this weapon, so y do this? and im flattered if ur doin it just for me....lmao...at any rate, if u guys actually played and got ur asses handed to u on a map where theres 4 tanks rollin around, decimating everything, u would feel different about my av support. even the vehicle stats ur giving out dont matter, its still op while its rolling, and without av to take it out we r gonna be in the same position. they hit the red, recall, instant op again. nerfing swarms is none to bright guys. |
General John Ripper
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
3910
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Posted - 2013.10.26 21:48:00 -
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please don't |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
1006
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Posted - 2013.10.26 21:52:00 -
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Please don't |
BLUE WAFFLE TASTY
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
14
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Posted - 2013.10.26 21:56:00 -
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dont throw peas at you?...lol...i dont complain about too many things, i understand the need for balance. point being im one of three people in a corp of over 200 with proto, skilled up av. surely swarms are not so much a problem as say..assault forge guns. swarms only lock onto vehicles, and it takes more skill than many know to be a proficient av user......im fully expecting a slingshot replacement tho, which i will fully skill into and become OP. be wary tankers, FOOD FIGHT |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
287
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Posted - 2013.10.26 22:01:00 -
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Swarms can be used by anyone, so can grenades, so those are becoming supplementary, while the full AV are the forge guns. Later on there will be traps like webifiers that slow a target down... but why webifiers for ground combat? I don't know. could just be a placeholder name for the sloth mechanics.
Both AV and tanks are getting struck a bit here, you can't complain about one side of this without complaining about the nerfs to the other side. (meaning you have to be Pro-Tank in order to make your logic work) |
IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
345
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Posted - 2013.10.26 22:07:00 -
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It seems like CCP is driving the forge gunner into the only aV role. aV grenades were great so of course they had to be nerfed. It was never fair that a single clone could destroy a 3 man orbital farming death machine. It is completely fair to hit Mercs with a car though. Just not fair to fight back.
The solo Swarm Launcher was useless unless you were fighting a new or stupid vehicle user. Plasma cannon is no more an aV weapon than the MD.
I think we will see a resurgence of the murder taxi since personal aV will not be able to kill them anymore. Im pretty sure that the tankers will return to dominating the field.
Really wishing CCP would express their intent BEFORE making all of our SP a waste. 3 level 5 skills now, 3 skills I got to level five only to have CCP make those weapons useless.
But W/e its a work in progress. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
3784
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Posted - 2013.10.26 22:11:00 -
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or rather than have the whole squad switch to av, why not have half the squad switch to swarms while the other half stay as anti infantry with av nades, therefore your squad possesses both AI and AV capability. |
Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
59
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:15:00 -
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IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:It seems like CCP is driving the forge gunner into the only aV role. aV grenades were great so of course they had to be nerfed. It was never fair that a single clone could destroy a 3 man orbital farming death machine. It is completely fair to hit Mercs with a car though. Just not fair to fight back.
The solo Swarm Launcher was useless unless you were fighting a new or stupid vehicle user. Plasma cannon is no more an aV weapon than the MD.
I think we will see a resurgence of the murder taxi since personal aV will not be able to kill them anymore. Im pretty sure that the tankers will return to dominating the field.
Really wishing CCP would express their intent BEFORE making all of our SP a waste. 3 level 5 skills now, 3 skills I got to level five only to have CCP make those weapons useless.
But W/e its a work in progress.
iam a dedicated vehicle user and i have all levle 5 turret skills, armour skills,fitting skills shield skills and propulsion skills for the Gallente HAV's and it ***** me when a wykomi on a MLT suit in the red line or ontop of a building is able to blow me up regardless of where iam. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
394
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:19:00 -
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Nope your fault sorry.
This never happens if your good and you should be able to defend yourself against the heavies by using your sidearms.
-Tanker's Logic |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
394
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:20:00 -
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Please do |
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO
BAD SANTA'S SCHOOL 4 SCOUNDRELS
33
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:21:00 -
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this is gross 2BLUE WAFFLE TASTY wrote:#126Posted: 2013.10.26 14:09 | Report "The game mechanics in this game are amazing. I have no idea what you're talking about.
For instance, I just played a lovely match where the enemy called out 2 Falchions. These lovely Falchions completely decimated all of the infantry before they could get AV weaponry and destroyed the Depots before we could respawn. One of the Falchions disappears behind a wall and never is seen again. This is great, because tanks are supposed to be hard to destroy. We respawn with Swarm Launchers and proceed to drain it's health to a sliver, at which point it strategically flees around the corner of a building using Nitro and Hardeners (strategic outfitting!).
I round the corner with my Swarm Launcher in hand and what do you know, the pilot is a genius! He gets the RDV to magically discombobulate his tank back to whence it came, free of charge, instantly! This was great, because the infantry were now stranded with Swarm Launchers and Scrambler Pistols against Heavy Machine Guns. Now, we die and swap back the infantry weapons since no tanks remain. The pilot, ever so clever, knows this will happen, and redeploys his tank within twenty seconds, fully repaired for free from the brink of fiery destruction!
This happens 10 times and we have the joy of being ping-ponged between AV and infantry weaponry until our whole squad is decimated. Luckily, we win because the pilot wouldn't step out of his precious diamond encrusted missile launching brick to capture the terminal. Of course, we all lose hundreds of thousands of ISK in this endeavor, despite winning, while the tanker lives to tank another day with his supply of instantly discombobulating tanks. This is obviously completely fair that tankers can retreat their tanks 20m behind a wall using their heightened speed over infantry and instantly mitigate any possible loses.
I love CCP. They are masters of game design. They are currently removing BPOs so that players can really feel that sense of loss, kind of like how our whole team really felt that sense of loss. The tanker didn't have any risk whatsoever since no one wanted to spec millions of SP into AV when they can barely kill infantry, but this is perfectly balanced. If we had specced into Proto AV we would've decimated the HAV in seconds, which is also perfectly balanced. "............
quoted from previous chant n rant this morning.
this is a perfect argument FOR proto swarms. as many of you know, either from squading with me, or being on the recieving end of my swarms, i am a card carrying tank hunting breakfast snack many tankers despise on the field. i use my swarm for installations, vehicles, and most importantly DERP SHIPS. if you reduce my damage, and the range, and basically cut the effectiveness of my PROTO weapon i spent MILLIONS of sp to SKILL INTO, well...i just dont get it. obviously there are beast tanks, nitro , reps , and SKILLED tankers that i commend. as well as dropship pilots...afterburners, reps, ONCE AGAIN SKILLED PILOTS, i just cant kill so easily with even proto av. THATS THE GAME. ive put time and sp into this skill. of course its OP.....so is the tank described above. so what ur telling me is i have to be in almost assault rifle range of a tank to kill it, with a limp di$# nerfed launcher, assaulting a vehicle thats got an effictive range of the whole fuc**ng map, and be successful. i guess for the dropships, since my clone can probably throw peas at it and be more effective than 175 meters, ill carry a slingshot. WTF r u guys thinking? theres not many people at all fully speccd into this weapon, so y do this? and im flattered if ur doin it just for me....lmao...at any rate, if u guys actually played and got ur asses handed to u on a map where theres 4 tanks rollin around, decimating everything, u would feel different about my av support. even the vehicle stats ur giving out dont matter, its still op while its rolling, and without av to take it out we r gonna be in the same position. they hit the red, recall, instant op again. nerfing swarms is none to bright guys.
da gross man lol nice name blue waffles r gross |
BLUE WAFFLE TASTY
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
15
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:30:00 -
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point taken on the need to see a tankers point of view,and i do. however, my swarm skills are all maxed, except optimization, which is 2. i am a wfecking ball. BUT...a good SKILLED tanker is a battle to take out still, as i have to dodge infantry throughout the field while chasing him, after he kicks on reps and high tails it, as a SKILLED tanker does when hes gettn nailed like that. also i do not have unlimited ammo,and am forced to drop a nano for tanks like this. the difference here is the tanker kills 30+ clones while im in the process of attempting to follow him around and throw rocks, even maxxed out. weve all seen it, we know who the players are as far as tankers go, and they know whos a threat with av. also i cant kill any infantry with a swarm, as forge guns can. so is nerfing the swarm really a fitting use of time and effort for ccp? and if its so easy as tweaking a couple things and its done,why have we waited so long for so many other thjngs?. they just nerfed it in 1.4 anyways, by reducing capacity to 3 from 5. u cant even get close to tanks like that with nades anyways, so even lai dais, which i have, are useless. i agree the tank should be a beast, but lets not work the whole game around vehicles 80% of the players arent even skilled into. |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4922
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:36:00 -
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BLUE WAFFLE TASTY wrote:dont throw peas at you?...lol...i dont complain about too many things, i understand the need for balance. point being im one of three people in a corp of over 200 with proto, skilled up av. surely swarms are not so much a problem as say..assault forge guns. swarms only lock onto vehicles, and it takes more skill than many know to be a proficient av user......im fully expecting a slingshot replacement tho, which i will fully skill into and become OP. be wary tankers, FOOD FIGHT
Please
Don't |
BLUE WAFFLE TASTY
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
15
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:40:00 -
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and as far as being redlined in a tank, thats ur bad bro. the game enables u to hit cover and recall, free of charge. also if ur redlining urself ur not too good a tanker, regardless of all ur skills. but i bet ur a true menace to infantry unnaposed arent u? sounds kinda like ur a bully who cries when hes gettn his face stomped in by the scrawny nobody. if ur in the red bro, which i dont believe u should be able to run into and hide indefinately, y not rail snipe? why not use ur 'super reppers' to recharge? poor argument for tankers man, and i hope to see U in ur tank |
BLUE WAFFLE TASTY
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
15
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:52:00 -
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heres a COMPROMISE......y not give vehicles a module that they can skill into that works similar to a jammer, an active module, instead of slammin the swarm on the ground and running it over like i wanna do to my ps3 when being dominated by said tankers? |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2097
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Posted - 2013.10.27 00:03:00 -
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AV weaponry is getting a NERF but this comes with a whole Vehicle rebalance, tanks will only have STD ATM with less slots than maddys and Gunnos so its not an overall nerf but more like bringing in line both vehicles and AV weaponry. Lets just wait for the update before whining... Still a Proto Swarm with prof 4 and 1 Cx Dam mod can dish out 1610 Dm per volley ... The real thing im not very fond of is having to be so close to the Vehicle to shoot at it (175mts),considering their speed to Get out of AV fire as it is....
AGAIN, lets wait till we can see the WHOLE pic before QQin..... |
BLUE WAFFLE TASTY
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
16
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Posted - 2013.10.27 00:10:00 -
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agreed, and im not whining, simply stating a point. am i gonna get a respec due to chopping my weapon effectiveness in half? hell naw. so we r just stuck. thats over 1/4 my lifetime sp. just gone. and as far as 175 meters goes, how the hell u gonna take out drop ships? and ur gonna die 50 times before u get a tank kill at less than 175 m, which is gonna make swarms obsolete. lets simply throw marshmallows at each other, wear feathers for armor , and have pillowfights at the panel. id skill into proto pillows |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2097
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Posted - 2013.10.27 00:11:00 -
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BLUE WAFFLE TASTY wrote:agreed, and im not whining, simply stating a point. am i gonna get a respec due to chopping my weapon effectiveness in half? hell naw. so we r just stuck. thats over 1/4 my lifetime sp. just gone. and as far as 175 meters goes, how the hell u gonna take out drop ships? and ur gonna die 50 times before u get a tank kill at less than 175 m, which is gonna make swarms obsolete. lets simply throw marshmallows at each other, wear feathers for armor , and have pillowfights at the panel. id skill into proto pillows
Well i agree. I have all AV weapons at PROTO level exept the gal Pc. Am i going to get a respec on these? guess im f'ked , AGAIN... |
Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
72
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Posted - 2013.10.27 00:19:00 -
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175 M is a complete joke.
I'm sick of leveling into things in this game and then having them nerfed. i'm sick of learning how to play the game just in time for the game to change, yet again. |
BLUE WAFFLE TASTY
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
17
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Posted - 2013.10.27 00:19:00 -
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lmmfao....as usual. sh**ty thing is i enjoy runnin swarm more than my ar. " my fit".....,
adv min logi , ishuakone assault swarm, proficiency 5, capacity 5, reload 5, 3x comp mods, and k2 nanos.
beast for sure, and more so when in proto suit, but thats my pub fit. ........whats urs? |
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BLUE WAFFLE TASTY
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
17
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Posted - 2013.10.27 00:22:00 -
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also, no sidearm, so its a dedicated av fit. my choice to go min,but i actually use the hacking bonus, and my hacking skills are lvl 4.... |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
397
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Posted - 2013.10.27 00:23:00 -
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BLUE WAFFLE TASTY wrote:lmmfao....as usual. sh**ty thing is i enjoy runnin swarm more than my ar. " my fit".....,
adv min logi , ishuakone assault swarm, proficiency 5, capacity 5, reload 5, 3x comp mods, and k2 nanos.
beast for sure, and more so when in proto suit, but thats my pub fit. ........whats urs? Hey is reload lvl 5 worth it? I have reload lvl 3 and was just wondering.
Not that any of our **** will be useful in the future to begin with |
IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
346
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Posted - 2013.10.27 02:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:BLUE WAFFLE TASTY wrote:lmmfao....as usual. sh**ty thing is i enjoy runnin swarm more than my ar. " my fit".....,
adv min logi , ishuakone assault swarm, proficiency 5, capacity 5, reload 5, 3x comp mods, and k2 nanos.
beast for sure, and more so when in proto suit, but thats my pub fit. ........whats urs? Hey is reload lvl 5 worth it? I have reload lvl 3 and was just wondering. Not that any of our **** will be useful in the future to begin with
Not really. The reload skills are for a CQ environment. With swarms you really wouldnt find it all that usefull. Not that we need it anymore. Proto swarm of the future with complex damage mods doing as 100 more that 1 advanced aV grenade at present.... the future is SO shiny. |
XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
470
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Posted - 2013.10.27 02:34:00 -
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They buffed the swarms with more RoF so now they are reducing damage and distance. This is not a bad nerf at all, if you call it an actual nerf. It will bring it back to where they were before the RoF. Although the distance is a bit harsh.
I don't know. I don't see why this is bad. Unless your suit costs 1 million isk, it shouldn't be able to destroy a million isk tank.
Apart from that, there is nothing CCP can do that will make this back and forth any better. SO ride with the tides and in a patch or two they will make them super again and after that they will get nerfed, etc. etc. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1284
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Posted - 2013.10.27 02:48:00 -
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BLUE WAFFLE TASTY wrote:dont throw peas at you?...lol...i dont complain about too many things, i understand the need for balance. point being im one of three people in a corp of over 200 with proto, skilled up av. surely swarms are not so much a problem as say..assault forge guns. swarms only lock onto vehicles, and it takes more skill than many know to be a proficient av user......im fully expecting a slingshot replacement tho, which i will fully skill into and become OP. be wary tankers, FOOD FIGHT
Oh **** Blue' s here |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
162
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Posted - 2013.10.27 03:24:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:AV weaponry is getting a NERF but this comes with a whole Vehicle rebalance, tanks will only have STD ATM with less slots than maddys and Gunnos so its not an overall nerf but more like bringing in line both vehicles and AV weaponry. Lets just wait for the update before whining... Still a Proto Swarm with prof 4 and 1 Cx Dam mod can dish out 1610 Dm per volley ... The real thing im not very fond of is having to be so close to the Vehicle to shoot at it (175mts),considering their speed to Get out of AV fire as it is....
AGAIN, lets wait till we can see the WHOLE pic before QQin.....
Good points, King. +1
Numbers and speculation, even well thought out arguments from experienced players, are secondary to actual live experience.
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BLUE WAFFLE TASTY
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
21
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Posted - 2013.10.27 11:19:00 -
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i can handle the damage , its the 175 thats killin me....keep in mind currently lock is 400....EFFECTIVE IS 320 OR SO......and when they increased rof then reduced ammo, so no buff at all. now we r forced to reload and 1/2 the time the tank ends up gettn away and i gotta chase it. also, is it fair that a 1 million dollar stinger takes out a 50 million dollar fighter or helicopter?.....hell ya. thats what sfm's are made for. u dont see the usa nerfn stingers cuz they op do u?....this is the fu**ing future, we're fightin on far away planets and warping thru wormholes....tanks dont have countermeasures? infantry cant deatroy them? are u fu**ing serious?.....this games a joke most times and without a fighting chance against armor its not even gonna be a funny one. |
Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy
538
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Posted - 2013.10.27 11:23:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:It seems like CCP is driving the forge gunner into the only aV role. aV grenades were great so of course they had to be nerfed. It was never fair that a single clone could destroy a 3 man orbital farming death machine. It is completely fair to hit Mercs with a car though. Just not fair to fight back.
The solo Swarm Launcher was useless unless you were fighting a new or stupid vehicle user. Plasma cannon is no more an aV weapon than the MD.
I think we will see a resurgence of the murder taxi since personal aV will not be able to kill them anymore. Im pretty sure that the tankers will return to dominating the field.
Really wishing CCP would express their intent BEFORE making all of our SP a waste. 3 level 5 skills now, 3 skills I got to level five only to have CCP make those weapons useless.
But W/e its a work in progress. iam a dedicated vehicle user and i have all levle 5 turret skills, armour skills,fitting skills shield skills and propulsion skills for the Gallente HAV's and it ***** me when a wykomi on a MLT suit in the red line or ontop of a building is able to blow me up regardless of where iam. lols at the all bpo dragon fly scout with only lai dai packednades |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
487
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Posted - 2013.10.27 11:27:00 -
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lol. swarms against shield tank.
Found your problem right there.
also that you are apparently bad at AV. |
Beld Errmon
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1063
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Posted - 2013.10.27 12:25:00 -
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Anyone that can make a shield tank seem OP needs a f***ing medal seriously, I tried to use one of the 100 i have sitting in my assets and I just couldn't do it, within 2mins of driving it the only good thing I could say about it was "atleast it turns quick" it was promptly recalled in favor of a Madruger. |
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