It's getting changed for vehicle turrets.
Also, what if I want to sacrifice high/low slots so I can fit better equipment?

No. **** no.

If I want to run a fitting with just a single module and nothing else, I should have that ability.

It's not going to make a difference because if need be, a logi assault can put 3x compact nanohives for hardly any CPU/PG cost.

Personally I think a logi with no equipment is gimping himself. The module slots and CPU/PG of the suit itself don't make it OP, it's the access to equipment. If more logis are playing assault roles and not using equipment then fine with me; it means their team is less effective as a whole.

please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something..

this also pushes mlt logi's to move at least to basic gear to free up pg/cpu

I would agree if they move PG or CPU upgrades on high slot.
Logi fitting should be valid only with at least 2/3 equipments depending on how many slot you have, weapon should not be mandatory for logi ( almost nobody will play without it, but let the door open for the ones who want to dare).

please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something..

this also pushes mlt logi's to move at least to basic gear to free up pg/cpu

please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something..

up your corp skills and you shouldnt have to everything on my proto's is 100% proto or complex no fitting issues..i have some more simplistic suits fit this way//but they have to do something about logi's running around with 0 gear trying to be assaults it ruins pubs

up your corp skills and you shouldnt have to everything on my proto's is 100% proto or complex no fitting issues..i have some more simplistic suits fit this way//but they have to do something about logi's running around with 0 gear trying to be assaults it ruins pubs

please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something..

this also pushes mlt logi's to move at least to basic gear to free up pg/cpu

I think the point is that this won't affect true Logis, because they do this anyway. BUT it will stop people from abusing the Advanced CPU/PG of the logi suit. Is a win / win situation...

I think the point is that this won't affect true Logis, because they do this anyway. BUT it will stop people from abusing the Advanced CPU/PG of the logi suit. Is a win / win situation...

Let me say this first: I always use all equipment slots so this doesn't really apply to me.

However, as I said before I don't think this will make an appreciable difference.

Morte, I guess you have an issue with advanced logi suits using Duvolles/Core Locus and as much tank as possible by dropping their equipment?

I tested fits with a Advanced Gal Logi, and I can get around 901 EHP with 2x Complex Extenders, 1x Complex Plate, 2x Enhanced armor plates, and no equipment. To equip 3x Compact Nanohives I need to replace one enhanced plate with a basic, dropping my tank to 873 EHP. But I gain the ability to heal my armor and spam at max 9 grenades. In this circumstance I'm better off with the nanohives and slightly less buffer than without them.

On a Advanced Cal Logi I can get 797 EHP using 3x Complex Extenders and 2x Enhanced Plates, or 742 EHP using 3x compact hives and 2x Basic Plates.

In either circumstance there's not a big difference in tank, whereas having ammo/grenades to restock yourself affords a much greater advantage in my opinion.

...or reduce high/low slot count to prevent tanking.

Let me say this first: I always use all equipment slots so this doesn't really apply to me.

However, as I said before I don't think this will make an appreciable difference.

Morte, I guess you have an issue with advanced logi suits using Duvolles/Core Locus and as much tank as possible by dropping their equipment?

I tested fits with a Advanced Gal Logi, and I can get around 901 EHP with 2x Complex Extenders, 1x Complex Plate, 2x Enhanced armor plates, and no equipment. To equip 3x Compact Nanohives I need to replace one enhanced plate with a basic, dropping my tank to 873 EHP. But I gain the ability to heal my armor and spam at max 9 grenades. In this circumstance I'm better off with the nanohives and slightly less buffer than without them.

On a Advanced Cal Logi I can get 797 EHP using 3x Complex Extenders and 2x Enhanced Plates, or 742 EHP using 3x compact hives and 2x Basic Plates.

In either circumstance there's not a big difference in tank, whereas having ammo/grenades to restock yourself affords a much greater advantage in my opinion.

i disagree if you only want 1 equipment swap to an assault suit i am sick of having my spec mocked because of scrubs

you do not need to sacrifice you logi gear to get kills ina logi..nor do you need your hp tanked to **** like an assault to get kills

i think all logi's should be forced to fill they're gear with something. stop hp tanking those suits it is not needed..the assault troops can stop whining about logi's being stronger than them because with they're gear slots filled they wont be.

every single suit i has has 1 thing in each equip slot and i have no problem pulling high end logi scores..

if you need to tank your logi like a heavy to survive then u suck at dust

No. **** no.

If I want to run a fitting with just a single module and nothing else, I should have that ability.

This is easy to say...prevent tanking...but it is all about perspective. You think tanking as a way to face off offensively against others and have the survivability to come out the other side still alive.

For a Logi tanking is about durability...the kind needed when you are running around the battlefield 75% of the time with equipment in your hand, NOT a weapon. Reviving and repping and scanning and hacking...all the while getting shot at without the ability to immediately shoot back.

Of course I'm gonna stack my logi's HP, the base HP on those things is terrible, and why wouldn't I tank my logi? I want to survive don't I?

And yeah, I don't require you to have both of your weapon slots filled, so I don't see why my equipment slots should be mandatory.

And yeah It's my suit and I should be able to do whatever I want with them. Don't be upset because we logistics can also get kills like assualts

Do you even use logistics?

Why not just link equipment tiers to the suit ?

Adv dropsuit = Adv equipment or better.
Proto dropsuit = Proto equipment only.

Make that mandatory ... and... problem solved ?

I think OP is touching on the point that has been brought up on other threads, why is a logisitics suit the most versatile suit on the battlefield? Read the description for the assault variant, it says "...is the most versatile", "best suited for any situation". Great in theory, couldn't be more wrong in practice. The Logi suits have more CPU available AND more Hi/low/equip slots. I have no idea how an assault could compete with this...certainly the Logi suit is the most versatile and adaptable in terms of loadouts. The assault is meant to be a slayer and FLF, and is only able to do that. So much for versatility!

The logistics is designed to be a support role, however can run more EHP AND Dmg mods than any assault (plus 3 equips??? OHHHH the WP).

I think CCP either needs to streamline the logistics suits to be much more of a SUPPORT specialist, or change the description on assault suits to "They look cool, but if you really want to kill people then run a logistics suit with no equip."

So your saying we should be glass cannons with very little HP in comparison to everyone else?

Sorry... do i missing something here ? This is not a Nerf or a Buff ... is just making Equipment a requirement for Logis, which makes perfect sense....

Why everyone is so jumpy ?

yes i am a logi main specc proto amarian..and tanking at the loss of equipment is not logi..people running around with 1 equip ona proto logi suit are not logi's if your run 25/0 but with only 1250 wp ina logi suit your not a logi...

now if you run 25/0 with 2500-4 k wp your a nice logi

im not upset that logis get kills im upset that they choose to do so as assaults if you not healing your team and spamming equipment while you get those kills you are no logi

not for my logi...my logi is about the ability to take you out fast and recover as fast
amarian logi is the assault logi. and it doesnt have super high hp when fitted right..what it does have is really high self recovery ability..

you should not need that tank to do that is my point good logi's use their teams to avoid being killed..the guide the bluedots through uplinks..provide bunkering support through nanos and in ditch end the save clones.....i suppose if you just ran across the front line instead of behind it you would need the tanking ability

because they know it mucks up logi's assault versatility somewhat and they cant handle it

where as most real logi's are going pfft isnt everyone doing this anyway?

Logistics are not medics, while they are obviously the best ones fitted to do so, they are way to valuable as combat armor to be considered as triage only. Especially with that native repair bonus.

And once again DUST 514's accomplishments and strengths over other FPS games is the fact that you have the freedom to do almost anything with your dropsuits and customized fittings, provided you have enough PG/CPU.

Logistics already give up their sidearm slots (well except Amarr Logistics) in exchange for the option to be triage. We don't need to sacrifice anything else

And what if that equipment slot is the difference between a good gun, and a bad gun?

agreed

Really ? a CPM jumps into an important thread, and the only thing it have to say is ;

Agreed.

We trying to fix an issue here in a way that is fair for everyone ... and you agree with a moronic comparison to MODULES. That have nothing to do with EQUIPMENT.

Mort, the correct way of balancing a Logi suit is to simply reduce its slot count. Tanking is one of the things why most players treat the suit as an Assault, the extra equipment slots makes it even easier to do that if you chose an active scanner, triage hives, and uplinks (overused btw) for maximum offense and defense.

Let me say this first: I always use all equipment slots so this doesn't really apply to me.

However, as I said before I don't think this will make an appreciable difference.

Morte, I guess you have an issue with advanced logi suits using Duvolles/Core Locus and as much tank as possible by dropping their equipment?

I tested fits with a Advanced Gal Logi, and I can get around 901 EHP with 2x Complex Extenders, 1x Complex Plate, 2x Enhanced armor plates, and no equipment. To equip 3x Compact Nanohives I need to replace one enhanced plate with a basic, dropping my tank to 873 EHP. But I gain the ability to heal my armor and spam at max 9 grenades. In this circumstance I'm better off with the nanohives and slightly less buffer than without them.

On a Advanced Cal Logi I can get 797 EHP using 3x Complex Extenders and 2x Enhanced Plates, or 742 EHP using 3x compact hives and 2x Basic Plates.

In either circumstance there's not a big difference in tank, whereas having ammo/grenades to restock yourself affords a much greater advantage in my opinion.

But what about us Mimmitar Logis? We barely have 250 EHP!

We need that extra slot .

Mort, the correct way of balancing a Logi suit is to simply reduce its slot count. Tanking is one of the things why most players treat the suit as an Assault, the extra equipment slots makes it even easier to do that if you chose an active scanner, triage hives, and uplinks (overused btw) for maximum offense and defense.

PRO Cal Logi - 3 High, 2 Low
PRO Min Logi - 4 High, 2 Low
PRO Gal Logi - 2 High, 3 Low
PRO Amarr Logi - 3 High, 3 Low

Simple right? Still balanced considering the massive benefits from giving Triage hives, use of Core Focused Repair tool, use of PRO injector on Armor tanked infantry, and the popular demand of PRO uplinks for PC matches (entire map covered in uplinks when trying to spawn).

there is no personal benefit from using the proto injector that i know of wish there was..i dont have a team to play with anymore so i do not use it

those suit changes would be acceptable to me .but not to most i think

there is no personal benefit from using the proto injector that i know of wish there was..i dont have a team to play with anymore so i do not use it

please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something..

this also pushes mlt logi's to move at least to basic gear to free up pg/cpu

notation from topic 2/3 of all logi gear should be fitted with gear equivalent to the quality of suit they are running


i suppose the only exception being aurum suits (cant force people to fit proto aur gear lol) but you could say they had to fit isk gear which would completely eliminate any chance that aur gear for proto logi suits was in any way pay to win

I fit proto links, advanced scanners, allotek hives, and proto remotes while still maintaining 850 ehp at a 4.61 move speed, with a damage mod, duvolle, core nades...and at 760 EHP (still around or more than most assaults) I can fit a complex dampener and up the scanner to proto (at the cost of switching to advanced remote's)

****'s broke...nerf the logi suit.

Oh and this wouldn't work anyways really....you'd just have logi's fitting 3-4 compact hives instead of 2-3.

Why not just link equipment tiers to the suit ?

Adv dropsuit = Adv equipment or better.
Proto dropsuit = Proto equipment only.

Make that mandatory ... and... problem solved ?

PRO Cal Logi - 3 High, 2 Low
PRO Min Logi - 4 High, 2 Low (didn't want 1 Low on any so I gave this a 2...)
PRO Gal Logi - 2 High, 3 Low
PRO Amarr Logi - 3 High, 3 Low

Simple right? Still balanced considering the massive benefits from giving Triage hives, use of Core Focused Repair tool, use of PRO injector on Armor tanked infantry, and the popular demand of PRO uplinks for PC matches (entire map covered in uplinks when trying to spawn).

please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled