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Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 511	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:06:00 - [31] - Quote Atiim wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: No. ** no. If I want to run a fitting with just a single module and nothing else, I should have that ability. i disagree if you only want 1 equipment swap to an assault suit i am sick of having my spec mocked because of scrubs you do not need to sacrifice you logi gear to get kills ina logi..nor do you need your hp tanked to ** like an assault to get kills i think all logi's should be forced to fill they're gear with something. stop hp tanking those suits it is not needed..the assault troops can stop whining about logi's being stronger than them because with they're gear slots filled they wont be. every single suit i has has 1 thing in each equip slot and i have no problem pulling high end logi scores.. if you need to tank your logi like a heavy to survive then u suck at dust Of course I'm gonna stack my logi's HP, the base HP on those things is terrible, and why wouldn't I tank my logi? I want to survive don't I? And yeah, I don't require you to have both of your weapon slots filled, so I don't see why my equipment slots should be mandatory. And yeah It's my suit and I should be able to do whatever I want with them. Don't be upset because we logistics can also get kills like assualts Do you even use logistics? yes i am a logi main specc proto amarian..and tanking at the loss of equipment is not logi..people running around with 1 equip ona proto logi suit are not logi's if your run 25/0 but with only 1250 wp ina logi suit your not a logi... now if you run 25/0 with 2500-4 k wp your a nice logi im not upset that logis get kills im upset that they choose to do so as assaults if you not healing your team and spamming equipment while you get those kills you are no logi
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 511	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:07:00 - [32] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: I think the point is that this won't affect true Logis, because they do this anyway. BUT it will stop people from abusing the Advanced CPU/PG of the logi suit. Is a win / win situation... Let me say this first: I always use all equipment slots so this doesn't really apply to me. However, as I said before I don't think this will make an appreciable difference. Morte, I guess you have an issue with advanced logi suits using Duvolles/Core Locus and as much tank as possible by dropping their equipment? I tested fits with a Advanced Gal Logi, and I can get around 901 EHP with 2x Complex Extenders, 1x Complex Plate, 2x Enhanced armor plates, and no equipment. To equip 3x Compact Nanohives I need to replace one enhanced plate with a basic, dropping my tank to 873 EHP. But I gain the ability to heal my armor and spam at max 9 grenades. In this circumstance I'm better off with the nanohives and slightly less buffer than without them. On a Advanced Cal Logi I can get 797 EHP using 3x Complex Extenders and 2x Enhanced Plates, or 742 EHP using 3x compact hives and 2x Basic Plates. In either circumstance there's not a big difference in tank, whereas having ammo/grenades to restock yourself affords a much greater advantage in my opinion. Why not just link equipment tiers to the suit ? Adv dropsuit = Adv equipment or better. Proto dropsuit = Proto equipment only. Make that mandatory ... and... problem solved ? would not bother me any proto logi suit i run has 2/3 proto gear to 100% proto
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 481	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:08:00 - [33] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: I think OP is touching on the point that has been brought up on other threads, why is a logisitics suit the most versatile suit on the battlefield? Read the description for the assault variant, it says "...is the most versatile", "best suited for any situation". Great in theory, couldn't be more wrong in practice. The Logi suits have more CPU available AND more Hi/low/equip slots. I have no idea how an assault could compete with this...certainly the Logi suit is the most versatile and adaptable in terms of loadouts. The assault is meant to be a slayer and FLF, and is only able to do that. So much for versatility! The logistics is designed to be a support role, however can run more EHP AND Dmg mods than any assault (plus 3 equips??? OHHHH the WP). I think CCP either needs to streamline the logistics suits to be much more of a SUPPORT specialist, or change the description on assault suits to "They look cool, but if you really want to kill people then run a logistics suit with no equip." Logi 'Assaults' are generally no better than actual Assaults. All skills being equal, the Logi 'Assault' can squeeze out about 2 or 3 Assault Rifle rounds worth of extra HP when fitted for maximum tanking. The slots count does not matter because all Logi suits start out with considerably less base HP than Assault does. So it is basically a wash. Damage mods are for suckers. Stack too many and they become a waste...not to mention you are paper thin. I love meeting glass cannons on the battlefield. EHP, Damage Mods and full Equipment Slots?! Yeah, good luck running that as a valid fitting. Even with full efficiency there are limitations. There is an argument that Logis can conceivably be 'all things' (although still not better)...but they cannot be all things at the same time.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 511	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:12:00 - [34] - Quote Atiim wrote: So your saying we should be glass cannons with very little HP in comparison to everyone else? no i am saying our hp should be relatively lower than all other suits..and if you take your suit and fit it how it should it is...the average adv logi suit is around 500 hp instead of 8 i think most of my adv assaults run around 550 600 hp so right now people are using this to run adv logi suits with better over all combat ability than adv assaults as an amarian i notice the difference more because i have a sidearm 2 so that just makes it worse
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 511	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:15:00 - [35] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Sorry... do i missing something here ? This is not a Nerf or a Buff ... is just making Equipment a requirement for Logis, which makes perfect sense.... Why everyone is so jumpy ? because they know it mucks up logi's assault versatility somewhat and they cant handle it where as most real logi's are going pfft isnt everyone doing this anyway?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 321	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:18:00 - [36] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Atiim wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: No. ** no. If I want to run a fitting with just a single module and nothing else, I should have that ability. i disagree if you only want 1 equipment swap to an assault suit i am sick of having my spec mocked because of scrubs you do not need to sacrifice you logi gear to get kills ina logi..nor do you need your hp tanked to ** like an assault to get kills i think all logi's should be forced to fill they're gear with something. stop hp tanking those suits it is not needed..the assault troops can stop whining about logi's being stronger than them because with they're gear slots filled they wont be. every single suit i has has 1 thing in each equip slot and i have no problem pulling high end logi scores.. if you need to tank your logi like a heavy to survive then u suck at dust Of course I'm gonna stack my logi's HP, the base HP on those things is terrible, and why wouldn't I tank my logi? I want to survive don't I? And yeah, I don't require you to have both of your weapon slots filled, so I don't see why my equipment slots should be mandatory. And yeah It's my suit and I should be able to do whatever I want with them. Don't be upset because we logistics can also get kills like assualts Do you even use logistics? yes i am a logi main specc proto amarian..and tanking at the loss of equipment is not logi..people running around with 1 equip ona proto logi suit are not logi's if your run 25/0 but with only 1250 wp ina logi suit your not a logi... now if you run 25/0 with 2500-4 k wp your a nice logi im not upset that logis get kills im upset that they choose to do so as assaults if you not healing your team and spamming equipment while you get those kills you are no logi Logistics are not medics, while they are obviously the best ones fitted to do so, they are way to valuable as combat armor to be considered as triage only. Especially with that native repair bonus. And once again DUST 514's accomplishments and strengths over other FPS games is the fact that you have the freedom to do almost anything with your dropsuits and customized fittings, provided you have enough PG/CPU. Logistics already give up their sidearm slots (well except Amarr Logistics) in exchange for the option to be triage. We don't need to sacrifice anything else And what if that equipment slot is the difference between a good gun, and a bad gun?
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 483	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:18:00 - [37] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: RydogV wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something.. this also pushes mlt logi's to move at least to basic gear to free up pg/cpu ...or reduce high/low slot count to prevent tanking. This is easy to say...prevent tanking...but it is all about perspective. You think tanking as a way to face off offensively against others and have the survivability to come out the other side still alive. For a Logi tanking is about durability...the kind needed when you are running around the battlefield 75% of the time with equipment in your hand, NOT a weapon. Reviving and repping and scanning and hacking...all the while getting shot at without the ability to immediately shoot back. not for my logi...my logi is about the ability to take you out fast and recover as fast amarian logi is the assault logi. and it doesnt have super high hp when fitted right..what it does have is really high self recovery ability.. you should not need that tank to do that is my point good logi's use their teams to avoid being killed..the guide the bluedots through uplinks..provide bunkering support through nanos and in ditch end the save clones.....i suppose if you just ran across the front line instead of behind it you would need the tanking ability Well I am happy for you and your Amarian Logi Suit friend. Me and my Minmater Logi Suit are not so lucky, as we are the exact opposite of you. We are not built for offense (one weapon slot) and we are not built for durability (lowest base HP of all Logis). And you must fight in some of the most ideal battles in New Eden. Where no one gets flanked, separated or overrun. I guess your religion ensures you truly are blessed.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 321	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:22:00 - [38] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Sorry... do i missing something here ? This is not a Nerf or a Buff ... is just making Equipment a requirement for Logis, which makes perfect sense.... Why everyone is so jumpy ? because they know it mucks up logi's assault versatility somewhat and they cant handle it where as most real logi's are going pfft isnt everyone doing this anyway? Equipment requirement is a nerf, because it requires us to utilize more CPU/PG (not that my slots aren't already filled) It wouldn't muck up our versatility, It would just be a useless restriction. And you shouldn't call your self a "triage logi" conidering the fact that you gave up your 4th equipment slot for the ability to use a sidearm, which is assualt What if I made both of your weapon slots mandatory? What would you say about that?
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 513	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:24:00 - [39] - Quote Atiim wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Atiim wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: No. ** no. If I want to run a fitting with just a single module and nothing else, I should have that ability. i disagree if you only want 1 equipment swap to an assault suit i am sick of having my spec mocked because of scrubs you do not need to sacrifice you logi gear to get kills ina logi..nor do you need your hp tanked to ** like an assault to get kills i think all logi's should be forced to fill they're gear with something. stop hp tanking those suits it is not needed..the assault troops can stop whining about logi's being stronger than them because with they're gear slots filled they wont be. every single suit i has has 1 thing in each equip slot and i have no problem pulling high end logi scores.. if you need to tank your logi like a heavy to survive then u suck at dust Of course I'm gonna stack my logi's HP, the base HP on those things is terrible, and why wouldn't I tank my logi? I want to survive don't I? And yeah, I don't require you to have both of your weapon slots filled, so I don't see why my equipment slots should be mandatory. And yeah It's my suit and I should be able to do whatever I want with them. Don't be upset because we logistics can also get kills like assualts Do you even use logistics? yes i am a logi main specc proto amarian..and tanking at the loss of equipment is not logi..people running around with 1 equip ona proto logi suit are not logi's if your run 25/0 but with only 1250 wp ina logi suit your not a logi... now if you run 25/0 with 2500-4 k wp your a nice logi im not upset that logis get kills im upset that they choose to do so as assaults if you not healing your team and spamming equipment while you get those kills you are no logi Logistics are not medics, while they are obviously the best ones fitted to do so, they are way to valuable as combat armor to be considered as triage only. Especially with that native repair bonus. And once again DUST 514's accomplishments and strengths over other FPS games is the fact that you have the freedom to do almost anything with your dropsuits and customized fittings, provided you have enough PG/CPU. Logistics already give up their sidearm slots (well except Amarr Logistics) in exchange for the option to be triage. We don't need to sacrifice anything else And what if that equipment slot is the difference between a good gun, and a bad gun? i am aware logistics does not mean medic i am amarian my amarian logi is side specced to proto swarm smg av nades however logistics does not mean meat shield, heavy means meat shield.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 263	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:25:00 - [40] - Quote If I must use three pieces of ADV equipment on my ADV Gal Logi, I lose about 57 HP worth of armor in exchange for an A-45 Active Scanner, KIN-012 Nanite Injector, and K-2 Nanohives. Still running a Duvolle and Core Locus. Not a bad trade by any means. On the Cal Logi, there's a significant difference in EHP due to the CPU nerf and now requiring one slot to be used up by a CPU upgrade. I lose around 148 EHP running the same equipment as above. Proto Suit requiring Proto equipment only will never happen. Not unless they require proto modules and proto weapons/grenades too. CCP is all about making this game a sandbox, and allowing customization. The worst they will do is change CPU or PG as they have done in the past (unjustly) with the Cal Logi.

Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1931	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:27:00 - [41] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: No. ** no. If I want to run a fitting with just a single module and nothing else, I should have that ability. agreed Really ? a CPM jumps into an important thread, and the only thing it have to say is ; Agreed.** We trying to fix an issue here in a way that is fair for everyone ... and you agree with a moronic comparison to MODULES. That have nothing to do with EQUIPMENT.?
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 513	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:27:00 - [42] - Quote a true logi complimenting a heavy is 1000x better than one logi trying to be a heavy
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 513	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:28:00 - [43] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: No. ** no. If I want to run a fitting with just a single module and nothing else, I should have that ability. agreed Really ? a CPM jumps into an important thread, and the only thing it have to say is ; Agreed.** We trying to fix an issue here in a way that is fair for everyone ... and you agree with a moronic comparison to MODULES. That have nothing to do with EQUIPMENT. agreed
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1044	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:29:00 - [44] - Quote provocative idea, I like it.
Alldin Kan MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 715	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:51:00 - [45] - Quote Mort, the correct way of balancing a Logi suit is to simply reduce its slot count. Tanking is one of the things why most players treat the suit as an Assault, the extra equipment slots makes it even easier to do that if you chose an active scanner, triage hives, and uplinks (overused btw) for maximum offense and defense.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 321	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:54:00 - [46] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Mort, the correct way of balancing a Logi suit is to simply reduce its slot count. Tanking is one of the things why most players treat the suit as an Assault, the extra equipment slots makes it even easier to do that if you chose an active scanner, triage hives, and uplinks (overused btw) for maximum offense and defense. But what about us Mimmitar Logis? We barely have 250 EHP! We need that extra slot .
Drapedup Drippedout G.U.T.Z 40	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:06:00 - [47] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: I think the point is that this won't affect true Logis, because they do this anyway. BUT it will stop people from abusing the Advanced CPU/PG of the logi suit. Is a win / win situation... Let me say this first: I always use all equipment slots so this doesn't really apply to me. However, as I said before I don't think this will make an appreciable difference. Morte, I guess you have an issue with advanced logi suits using Duvolles/Core Locus and as much tank as possible by dropping their equipment? I tested fits with a Advanced Gal Logi, and I can get around 901 EHP with 2x Complex Extenders, 1x Complex Plate, 2x Enhanced armor plates, and no equipment. To equip 3x Compact Nanohives I need to replace one enhanced plate with a basic, dropping my tank to 873 EHP. But I gain the ability to heal my armor and spam at max 9 grenades. In this circumstance I'm better off with the nanohives and slightly less buffer than without them. On a Advanced Cal Logi I can get 797 EHP using 3x Complex Extenders and 2x Enhanced Plates, or 742 EHP using 3x compact hives and 2x Basic Plates. In either circumstance there's not a big difference in tank, whereas having ammo/grenades to restock yourself affords a much greater advantage in my opinion. Ok, that's your ADV suit. Here's Minmatar Proto assault. 4x Complex shield ext - 487 (shields 5) 1x Complex Dmg Mod (Would run 2 but not enough pg/cpu) Proficiency 5 1x Duvolle 1x m512 (maybe ishukone if I take Eng to 5) 1x M1 1x enh CPU 1 x enh armor - roughly 285 (armor at 5, extension at 3) Thats with 13mil lifetime invested with VERY little wasted (say 12mil directly invested to Slayer skill tree). I literally max out at 772 EHP in my PROTO assault variant. And outside of my dmg mod, your suit is just as big, has 3 unused equip slots, and more EHP. Yes mine can run faster, but that's it (can't even run a kin cat!). You are still running the ADV version. Imagine when you go proto, you can run 4 hi's, 4 low's plus equip. Basically you generate more WP, have more HP, and can run just as effective slayer role. The suits are imbalanced IMO.
Alldin Kan MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 715	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:18:00 - [48] - Quote Atiim wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: Mort, the correct way of balancing a Logi suit is to simply reduce its slot count. Tanking is one of the things why most players treat the suit as an Assault, the extra equipment slots makes it even easier to do that if you chose an active scanner, triage hives, and uplinks (overused btw) for maximum offense and defense. But what about us Mimmitar Logis? We barely have 250 EHP! We need that extra slot . PRO Cal Logi - 3 High, 2 Low PRO Min Logi - 4 High, 2 Low (didn't want 1 Low on any so I gave this a 2...) PRO Gal Logi - 2 High, 3 Low PRO Amarr Logi - 3 High, 3 Low Simple right? Still balanced considering the massive benefits from giving Triage hives, use of Core Focused Repair tool, use of PRO injector on Armor tanked infantry, and the popular demand of PRO uplinks for PC matches (entire map covered in uplinks when trying to spawn).
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 517	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:19:00 - [49] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Mort, the correct way of balancing a Logi suit is to simply reduce its slot count. Tanking is one of the things why most players treat the suit as an Assault, the extra equipment slots makes it even easier to do that if you chose an active scanner, triage hives, and uplinks (overused btw) for maximum offense and defense. proto uplinks being laid should be made priority over others and make lower end uplinks disapear i loath uplink spam like injector spam. it is a good equipment and when its used the wrong way it can ruin the match as u know
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 517	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:24:00 - [50] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Atiim wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: Mort, the correct way of balancing a Logi suit is to simply reduce its slot count. Tanking is one of the things why most players treat the suit as an Assault, the extra equipment slots makes it even easier to do that if you chose an active scanner, triage hives, and uplinks (overused btw) for maximum offense and defense. But what about us Mimmitar Logis? We barely have 250 EHP! We need that extra slot . PRO Cal Logi - 3 High, 2 Low PRO Min Logi - 4 High, 2 Low PRO Gal Logi - 2 High, 3 Low PRO Amarr Logi - 3 High, 3 Low Simple right? Still balanced considering the massive benefits from giving Triage hives, use of Core Focused Repair tool, use of PRO injector on Armor tanked infantry, and the popular demand of PRO uplinks for PC matches (entire map covered in uplinks when trying to spawn). there is no personal benefit from using the proto injector that i know of wish there was..i dont have a team to play with anymore so i do not use it those suit changes would be acceptable to me .but not to most i think

Alldin Kan MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 715	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:29:00 - [51] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: Atiim wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: Mort, the correct way of balancing a Logi suit is to simply reduce its slot count. Tanking is one of the things why most players treat the suit as an Assault, the extra equipment slots makes it even easier to do that if you chose an active scanner, triage hives, and uplinks (overused btw) for maximum offense and defense. But what about us Mimmitar Logis? We barely have 250 EHP! We need that extra slot . PRO Cal Logi - 3 High, 2 Low PRO Min Logi - 4 High, 2 Low PRO Gal Logi - 2 High, 3 Low PRO Amarr Logi - 3 High, 3 Low Simple right? Still balanced considering the massive benefits from giving Triage hives, use of Core Focused Repair tool, use of PRO injector on Armor tanked infantry, and the popular demand of PRO uplinks for PC matches (entire map covered in uplinks when trying to spawn). there is no personal benefit from using the proto injector that i know of wish there was..i dont have a team to play with anymore so i do not use it those suit changes would be acceptable to me .but not to most i think If they want to use it as an Assault then of course they won't like it.
The Attorney General MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1322	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:35:00 - [52] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: there is no personal benefit from using the proto injector that i know of wish there was..i dont have a team to play with anymore so i do not use it I run an Amarr logi on my heavy toon that has zero SP into rep tools, but has proto hives. I run an IG hive, Triage hive and a PRO needle. I assume people have some sort of self rep, so the 80% needle lets me stab and go without throwing down a Triage hive for them.
Zatara Rought MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1396	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:39:00 - [53] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something.. this also pushes mlt logi's to move at least to basic gear to free up pg/cpu notation from topic 2/3 of all logi gear should be fitted with gear equivalent to the quality of suit they are running i suppose the only exception being aurum suits (cant force people to fit proto aur gear lol) but you could say they had to fit isk gear which would completely eliminate any chance that aur gear for proto logi suits was in any way pay to win I fit proto links, advanced scanners, allotek hives, and proto remotes while still maintaining 850 ehp at a 4.61 move speed, with a damage mod, duvolle, core nades...and at 760 EHP (still around or more than most assaults) I can fit a complex dampener and up the scanner to proto (at the cost of switching to advanced remote's) ****'s broke...nerf the logi suit. Oh and this wouldn't work anyways really....you'd just have logi's fitting 3-4 compact hives instead of 2-3.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 518	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:41:00 - [54] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something.. this also pushes mlt logi's to move at least to basic gear to free up pg/cpu notation from topic 2/3 of all logi gear should be fitted with gear equivalent to the quality of suit they are running i suppose the only exception being aurum suits (cant force people to fit proto aur gear lol) but you could say they had to fit isk gear which would completely eliminate any chance that aur gear for proto logi suits was in any way pay to win I fit proto links, advanced scanners, allotek hives, and proto remotes while still maintaining 850 ehp at a 4.61 move speed, with a damage mod, duvolle, core nades...and at 760 EHP (still around or more than most assaults) I can fit a complex dampener and up the scanner to proto (at the cost of switching to advanced remote's) ****'s broke...nerf the logi suit. Oh and this wouldn't work anyways really....you'd just have logi's fitting 3-4 compact hives instead of 2-3. yeah so do i..well slightly less hp 2 proto weapons
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 132	Posted - 2013.10.24 14:41:00 - [55] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Sana Rayya wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: I think the point is that this won't affect true Logis, because they do this anyway. BUT it will stop people from abusing the Advanced CPU/PG of the logi suit. Is a win / win situation... Let me say this first: I always use all equipment slots so this doesn't really apply to me. However, as I said before I don't think this will make an appreciable difference. Morte, I guess you have an issue with advanced logi suits using Duvolles/Core Locus and as much tank as possible by dropping their equipment? I tested fits with a Advanced Gal Logi, and I can get around 901 EHP with 2x Complex Extenders, 1x Complex Plate, 2x Enhanced armor plates, and no equipment. To equip 3x Compact Nanohives I need to replace one enhanced plate with a basic, dropping my tank to 873 EHP. But I gain the ability to heal my armor and spam at max 9 grenades. In this circumstance I'm better off with the nanohives and slightly less buffer than without them. On a Advanced Cal Logi I can get 797 EHP using 3x Complex Extenders and 2x Enhanced Plates, or 742 EHP using 3x compact hives and 2x Basic Plates. In either circumstance there's not a big difference in tank, whereas having ammo/grenades to restock yourself affords a much greater advantage in my opinion. Why not just link equipment tiers to the suit ? Adv dropsuit = Adv equipment or better. Proto dropsuit = Proto equipment only. Make that mandatory ... and... problem solved ? ** linking equipment lvls to suits that's *** ****** and quite possibly the dumbest idea I've heard on here in the last year.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 484	Posted - 2013.10.24 20:36:00 - [56] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Atiim wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: Mort, the correct way of balancing a Logi suit is to simply reduce its slot count. Tanking is one of the things why most players treat the suit as an Assault, the extra equipment slots makes it even easier to do that if you chose an active scanner, triage hives, and uplinks (overused btw) for maximum offense and defense. But what about us Mimmitar Logis? We barely have 250 EHP! We need that extra slot . PRO Cal Logi - 3 High, 2 Low PRO Min Logi - 4 High, 2 Low (didn't want 1 Low on any so I gave this a 2...) PRO Gal Logi - 2 High, 3 Low PRO Amarr Logi - 3 High, 3 Low Simple right? Still balanced considering the massive benefits from giving Triage hives, use of Core Focused Repair tool, use of PRO injector on Armor tanked infantry, and the popular demand of PRO uplinks for PC matches (entire map covered in uplinks when trying to spawn). I love how you have given Proto Amarr...the Logi with the highest and most balanced base HP...3 high and low slots plus they have a sidearm. Think again. #FlawedLogic
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 407	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:57:00 - [57] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled I know you made your post in reference to Logi's but it would have a terrible impact on scouts.
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 483	Posted - 2013.10.25 06:38:00 - [58] - Quote Personally, I don't see what the fuss is about. If someone wants to gimp their logi suit by not using it's equipment slots more power to them. I'll just use my flux grenades and a projectile/explosive weapon to kill them anyway. I put the best gear I can fit on my suits (though I do have some cheapo fits for when I'm running solo; no point in bringing out expensive gear for people I can't trust to have my back), so the fix proposed by the OP wouldn't affect me, but it would take away some of the freedom of customization that I like about this game. Still, it's preferable to removing high/low slots, which would make doing our job difficult/impossible.


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