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Sana Rayya wrote:

Banning Hammer wrote:

I think the point is that this won't affect true Logis, because they do this anyway. BUT it will stop people from abusing the Advanced CPU/PG of the logi suit. Is a win / win situation...

Let me say this first: I always use all equipment slots so this doesn't really apply to me.

However, as I said before I don't think this will make an appreciable difference.

Morte, I guess you have an issue with advanced logi suits using Duvolles/Core Locus and as much tank as possible by dropping their equipment?

I tested fits with a Advanced Gal Logi, and I can get around 901 EHP with 2x Complex Extenders, 1x Complex Plate, 2x Enhanced armor plates, and no equipment. To equip 3x Compact Nanohives I need to replace one enhanced plate with a basic, dropping my tank to 873 EHP. But I gain the ability to heal my armor and spam at max 9 grenades. In this circumstance I'm better off with the nanohives and slightly less buffer than without them.

On a Advanced Cal Logi I can get 797 EHP using 3x Complex Extenders and 2x Enhanced Plates, or 742 EHP using 3x compact hives and 2x Basic Plates.

In either circumstance there's not a big difference in tank, whereas having ammo/grenades to restock yourself affords a much greater advantage in my opinion.

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Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 507	Posted - 2013.10.24 11:45:00 - [1] - Quote please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something.. this also pushes mlt logi's to move at least to basic gear to free up pg/cpu
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4165	Posted - 2013.10.24 11:48:00 - [2] - Quote It's getting changed for vehicle turrets. Also, what if I want to sacrifice high/low slots so I can fit better equipment?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4718	Posted - 2013.10.24 11:49:00 - [3] - Quote No. **** no. If I want to run a fitting with just a single module and nothing else, I should have that ability.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 508	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:05:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It's getting changed for vehicle turrets. Also, what if I want to sacrifice high/low slots so I can fit better equipment? up your corp skills and you shouldnt have to everything on my proto's is 100% proto or complex no fitting issues..i have some more simplistic suits fit this way//but they have to do something about logi's running around with 0 gear trying to be assaults it ruins pubs
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 509	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:10:00 - [5] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: No. ** no. If I want to run a fitting with just a single module and nothing else, I should have that ability. i disagree if you only want 1 equipment swap to an assault suit i am sick of having my spec mocked because of scrubs you do not need to sacrifice you logi gear to get kills ina logi..nor do you need your hp tanked to ** like an assault to get kills i think all logi's should be forced to fill they're gear with something. stop hp tanking those suits it is not needed..the assault troops can stop whining about logi's being stronger than them because with they're gear slots filled they wont be. every single suit i has has 1 thing in each equip slot and i have no problem pulling high end logi scores.. if you need to tank your logi like a heavy to survive then u suck at dust
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 262	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:13:00 - [6] - Quote It's not going to make a difference because if need be, a logi assault can put 3x compact nanohives for hardly any CPU/PG cost. Personally I think a logi with no equipment is gimping himself. The module slots and CPU/PG of the suit itself don't make it OP, it's the access to equipment. If more logis are playing assault roles and not using equipment then fine with me; it means their team is less effective as a whole.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1927	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:15:00 - [7] - Quote No many people is going to like this idea... what it will definitely fix the issues with the Logi suit. Making Equipment mandatory for logis will reduce the amount of free CPU/PG available for tanking. Good idea
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 509	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:23:00 - [8] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: It's not going to make a difference because if need be, a logi assault can put 3x compact nanohives for hardly any CPU/PG cost. Personally I think a logi with no equipment is gimping himself. The module slots and CPU/PG of the suit itself don't make it OP, it's the access to equipment. If more logis are playing assault roles and not using equipment then fine with me; it means their team is less effective as a whole. even if they use 2-4 stnd nanos so lose 4-8 pg and 20-40 cpu? that will effect the ability to assault tank a logi u know what i have and what i run sana..if been toying with my lower end fitts for 2 months now dropping lower end gear all over em..it does limit the tanking ability... it may not effect proto bears so much because we have so much cpu and pg...but for lower end logis who havnt maxed their core skills this would mean they would have a choice..use low end mlt gear 3 compact nanos for example..and try and continue tanking with a now more nerfed hp...and get ri[[ed to pieces by assaults and heavies.. or put on gear to match they're suits and do their job.. at first they may pull terrible kdr's they will get paid though and plenty of wp ..and eventually they will learn to use they're team as proper meatshields and do their job with perfection i think more logi's will at least try to be logi's if this were implemented
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 480	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:26:00 - [9] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something.. this also pushes mlt logi's to move at least to basic gear to free up pg/cpu Not an issue for me because I rarely hit the Burn Zone without fully loaded out equipment. If fake Logis want to be pertend assault then let them. They are not respected by "True Logis" and if caught being a wannabe scrub...we revoke their membership card to the Logi Bro Association and lock them out of the meetings. To your point about Militia Logi Suits...there is no such thing. There is no current Militia Suit in the game that gives you more than one equipment slot (ie: Proper Logi Fitting). The closest thing would be the 'Skinweave' Logistics Suit which is a BPO that a handful of Closed Beta testers received and is likely packed away in the back of their Merc Quarter closet. So anyone who wants to be a true Logi actually HAS to skill into a racial/role fitting. In fact was are the ONLY class that is forced to do so...Scout, Assault and Heavies could all stick with Basic variants if they wanted to with very little impact on their in-game contribution. So yeah....
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 509	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:26:00 - [10] - Quote i only managed to fit adv gear on a adv logi with adv weapons and enhanced modules with max corp skills..granted i have 2 weapons as an amarian where as with 1 x-3 quantum nano only i was running all adv weapons and nades and complex modules on adv suit at least for the amarian fitting same lvl gear to equip slots limits your hp modules to the equiv tier..with base stnd gear u can have 1-3 complex modules so somewhat hp tanked...so by droping your gear to lower quality you will still be able to have a high hp roller..it just wont be quiet as high

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 814	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:28:00 - [11] - Quote I would agree if they move PG or CPU upgrades on high slot. Logi fitting should be valid only with at least 2/3 equipments depending on how many slot you have, weapon should not be mandatory for logi ( almost nobody will play without it, but let the door open for the ones who want to dare).
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 509	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:30:00 - [12] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I would agree if they move PG or CPU upgrades on high slot. Logi fitting should be valid only with at least 2/3 equipments depending on how many slot you have, weapon should not be mandatory for logi ( almost nobody will play without it, but let the door open for the ones who want to dare). even 2/3 would limit the fittings people can run with crap for sp and lower end skills
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1928	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:31:00 - [13] - Quote I think the point is that this won't affect true Logis, because they do this anyway. BUT it will stop people from abusing the Advanced CPU/PG of the logi suit. Is a win / win situation...
Alldin Kan MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 715	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:35:00 - [14] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something.. this also pushes mlt logi's to move at least to basic gear to free up pg/cpu ...or reduce high/low slot count to prevent tanking.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 14	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:36:00 - [15] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something.. Very well. Vehicles are now only required to have weapons fitted, as are Dropsuits. Oh wait, that's already the case...
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4168	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:41:00 - [16] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It's getting changed for vehicle turrets. Also, what if I want to sacrifice high/low slots so I can fit better equipment? up your corp skills and you shouldnt have to everything on my proto's is 100% proto or complex no fitting issues..i have some more simplistic suits fit this way//but they have to do something about logi's running around with 0 gear trying to be assaults it ruins pubs It's impossible to fit all complex modules and all proto equipment on a protosuit without fitting modules.
Zaria Min Deir Ancient Exiles 203	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:44:00 - [17] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: It's getting changed for vehicle turrets. Also, what if I want to sacrifice high/low slots so I can fit better equipment? up your corp skills and you shouldnt have to everything on my proto's is 100% proto or complex no fitting issues..i have some more simplistic suits fit this way//but they have to do something about logi's running around with 0 gear trying to be assaults it ruins pubs I'm sorry, but I call BS. It's not that simple. As a Minmatar logi with Core upgrades, Engineering and Electronics at lvl 5 I can not fill all slots with complex/proto modules/gear, at least not in any meaningful way (for my purposes). At the very least not without sacrificing 2 low slots to PG and CPU upgrades, which is essentially the same, and even then, fitting 4 complex shield extenders, a proto weapon, 4 pieces of proto equipment and ADV nades means the 2 remaining low slots are often filled with ADV, not proto modules. Now I'm not saying there are no fits possible like you described, sure there are. But it really depends on a lot of variables, including which suit you're using (damn those gallente logis), and some equipment take up significantly less to fit at proto levels than others. An injector or a scanner is way easier to fit a than a nanohive or a drop uplink. Armour modules take up more pg/cpu than say cardiac regulators. So it really depends on what you want out of your fit. So yeah, I think I should have the freedom to leave a high slot empty if I so choose to, simply because I'd rather fit 1 more shield extender instead of a damage mod and a shield recharger, for instance (just random example, could be remembering the stats on those wrong, whatever). And yes, I have one pub fit that only uses 3 equipment slots (GASP!). I'm a terrible logi, I know. However, 0 equipment slots filled on a logi suit? Have yet to notice such a beast, but it does sound ridicilous. And I know the OP was only talking about equipment slots, so let's say cool idea, as long as we make filling both weapon slots, the grenade slot and the 1 equipment slot also mandatory for assaults and scouts. If we're making arbitrary requirements of one class, might as well be all.
NAV HIV The Generals EoN. 468	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:45:00 - [18] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something.. this also pushes mlt logi's to move at least to basic gear to free up pg/cpu That'd be great
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 652	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:46:00 - [19] - Quote No need for all that. Just make a logi module that gives you the aded defenses for the logi role. As a matter of fact, change the roles to modules rather than the suits. Think about it. What really gives us that role bonus? Programing! Yes, the module represents computer program encoding to route energy to certain functions of a suit. You need logi? Defenses. You need assault? Damage. You need scout? Scanning.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1929	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:49:00 - [20] - Quote Sorry... do i missing something here ? This is not a Nerf or a Buff ... is just making Equipment a requirement for Logis, which makes perfect sense.... Why everyone is so jumpy ?

Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 262	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:50:00 - [21] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: I think the point is that this won't affect true Logis, because they do this anyway. BUT it will stop people from abusing the Advanced CPU/PG of the logi suit. Is a win / win situation... Let me say this first: I always use all equipment slots so this doesn't really apply to me. However, as I said before I don't think this will make an appreciable difference. Morte, I guess you have an issue with advanced logi suits using Duvolles/Core Locus and as much tank as possible by dropping their equipment? I tested fits with a Advanced Gal Logi, and I can get around 901 EHP with 2x Complex Extenders, 1x Complex Plate, 2x Enhanced armor plates, and no equipment. To equip 3x Compact Nanohives I need to replace one enhanced plate with a basic, dropping my tank to 873 EHP. But I gain the ability to heal my armor and spam at max 9 grenades. In this circumstance I'm better off with the nanohives and slightly less buffer than without them. On a Advanced Cal Logi I can get 797 EHP using 3x Complex Extenders and 2x Enhanced Plates, or 742 EHP using 3x compact hives and 2x Basic Plates. In either circumstance there's not a big difference in tank, whereas having ammo/grenades to restock yourself affords a much greater advantage in my opinion.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 511	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:54:00 - [22] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: I think the point is that this won't affect true Logis, because they do this anyway. BUT it will stop people from abusing the Advanced CPU/PG of the logi suit. Is a win / win situation... my point exactly this will not effect me at all. or any true logi but would put a stop to the abuse
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1929	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:56:00 - [23] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: I think the point is that this won't affect true Logis, because they do this anyway. BUT it will stop people from abusing the Advanced CPU/PG of the logi suit. Is a win / win situation... Let me say this first: I always use all equipment slots so this doesn't really apply to me. However, as I said before I don't think this will make an appreciable difference. Morte, I guess you have an issue with advanced logi suits using Duvolles/Core Locus and as much tank as possible by dropping their equipment? I tested fits with a Advanced Gal Logi, and I can get around 901 EHP with 2x Complex Extenders, 1x Complex Plate, 2x Enhanced armor plates, and no equipment. To equip 3x Compact Nanohives I need to replace one enhanced plate with a basic, dropping my tank to 873 EHP. But I gain the ability to heal my armor and spam at max 9 grenades. In this circumstance I'm better off with the nanohives and slightly less buffer than without them. On a Advanced Cal Logi I can get 797 EHP using 3x Complex Extenders and 2x Enhanced Plates, or 742 EHP using 3x compact hives and 2x Basic Plates. In either circumstance there's not a big difference in tank, whereas having ammo/grenades to restock yourself affords a much greater advantage in my opinion. Why not just link equipment tiers to the suit ? Adv dropsuit = Adv equipment or better. Proto dropsuit = Proto equipment only. Make that mandatory ... and... problem solved ?
Drapedup Drippedout G.U.T.Z 40	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:56:00 - [24] - Quote I think OP is touching on the point that has been brought up on other threads, why is a logisitics suit the most versatile suit on the battlefield? Read the description for the assault variant, it says "...is the most versatile", "best suited for any situation". Great in theory, couldn't be more wrong in practice. The Logi suits have more CPU available AND more Hi/low/equip slots. I have no idea how an assault could compete with this...certainly the Logi suit is the most versatile and adaptable in terms of loadouts. The assault is meant to be a slayer and FLF, and is only able to do that. So much for versatility! The logistics is designed to be a support role, however can run more EHP AND Dmg mods than any assault (plus 3 equips??? OHHHH the WP). I think CCP either needs to streamline the logistics suits to be much more of a SUPPORT specialist, or change the description on assault suits to "They look cool, but if you really want to kill people then run a logistics suit with no equip."
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 481	Posted - 2013.10.24 12:59:00 - [25] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something.. this also pushes mlt logi's to move at least to basic gear to free up pg/cpu ...or reduce high/low slot count to prevent tanking. This is easy to say...prevent tanking...but it is all about perspective. You think tanking as a way to face off offensively against others and have the survivability to come out the other side still alive. For a Logi tanking is about durability...the kind needed when you are running around the battlefield 75% of the time with equipment in your hand, NOT a weapon. Reviving and repping and scanning and hacking...all the while getting shot at without the ability to immediately shoot back.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 511	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:00:00 - [26] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: I think the point is that this won't affect true Logis, because they do this anyway. BUT it will stop people from abusing the Advanced CPU/PG of the logi suit. Is a win / win situation... Let me say this first: I always use all equipment slots so this doesn't really apply to me. However, as I said before I don't think this will make an appreciable difference. Morte, I guess you have an issue with advanced logi suits using Duvolles/Core Locus and as much tank as possible by dropping their equipment? I tested fits with a Advanced Gal Logi, and I can get around 901 EHP with 2x Complex Extenders, 1x Complex Plate, 2x Enhanced armor plates, and no equipment. To equip 3x Compact Nanohives I need to replace one enhanced plate with a basic, dropping my tank to 873 EHP. But I gain the ability to heal my armor and spam at max 9 grenades. In this circumstance I'm better off with the nanohives and slightly less buffer than without them. On a Advanced Cal Logi I can get 797 EHP using 3x Complex Extenders and 2x Enhanced Plates, or 742 EHP using 3x compact hives and 2x Basic Plates. In either circumstance there's not a big difference in tank, whereas having ammo/grenades to restock yourself affords a much greater advantage in my opinion. if you were using equivalent lvl gear it would...im trying to come up with a solution that isnt remove all our high and low slots cause thats what others want alldin . but again you also have maxed corp skills and proto's like i stated on my adv amarian logi i can fit 1 adv light weapon 1 adv sidearm 1 proto nade and have 770hp ... what if it required you to have 2/3 of your equip filled with equivalent lvl equipment take your adv suit and swap out to 2/3 adv gear 1/3 stnd and look at your hp tanking abilities through the tiers could you actually do this and post stats for gallente and cal ill do it for my amarian
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 321	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:03:00 - [27] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: No. ** no. If I want to run a fitting with just a single module and nothing else, I should have that ability. i disagree if you only want 1 equipment swap to an assault suit i am sick of having my spec mocked because of scrubs you do not need to sacrifice you logi gear to get kills ina logi..nor do you need your hp tanked to ** like an assault to get kills i think all logi's should be forced to fill they're gear with something. stop hp tanking those suits it is not needed..the assault troops can stop whining about logi's being stronger than them because with they're gear slots filled they wont be. every single suit i has has 1 thing in each equip slot and i have no problem pulling high end logi scores.. if you need to tank your logi like a heavy to survive then u suck at dust Of course I'm gonna stack my logi's HP, the base HP on those things is terrible, and why wouldn't I tank my logi? I want to survive don't I? And yeah, I don't require you to have both of your weapon slots filled, so I don't see why my equipment slots should be mandatory. And yeah It's my suit and I should be able to do whatever I want with them. Don't be upset because we logistics can also get kills like assualts Do you even use logistics?
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1937	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:03:00 - [28] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: No. **** no. If I want to run a fitting with just a single module and nothing else, I should have that ability. agreed
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 511	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:03:00 - [29] - Quote RydogV wrote: Alldin Kan wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: please make it mandatory for a successful fitting to have all slots filled as it is with vehicle turrets...logi's should all have to have their equipment slots filled by something.. this also pushes mlt logi's to move at least to basic gear to free up pg/cpu ...or reduce high/low slot count to prevent tanking. This is easy to say...prevent tanking...but it is all about perspective. You think tanking as a way to face off offensively against others and have the survivability to come out the other side still alive. For a Logi tanking is about durability...the kind needed when you are running around the battlefield 75% of the time with equipment in your hand, NOT a weapon. Reviving and repping and scanning and hacking...all the while getting shot at without the ability to immediately shoot back. not for my logi...my logi is about the ability to take you out fast and recover as fast amarian logi is the assault logi. and it doesnt have super high hp when fitted right..what it does have is really high self recovery ability.. you should not need that tank to do that is my point good logi's use their teams to avoid being killed..the guide the bluedots through uplinks..provide bunkering support through nanos and in ditch end the save clones.....i suppose if you just ran across the front line instead of behind it you would need the tanking ability
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 321	Posted - 2013.10.24 13:05:00 - [30] - Quote So your saying we should be glass cannons with very little HP in comparison to everyone else?



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