If this AR nerfing happens i want a respec of my AR skills, so i can fully spec into the SCR. I'm not grinding millions of SP again to fully Spec in another weapon, when i'm already done that.

Also... no ninja nerfing CCP, because i will notice, and let everyone know.

I don't like my assault suit because 1 equipment slot...I wanted to respec into logi cuz lets face it the assault is going no where and is useless but you guys said no respec blah blah...so guess who has to grind now? You ar scrubs so now we are even...that is all

i hope we get a respec, but really? now the AR boys are complaining they want a respec if they get nerfed?

what about the Core Flaylocks?
Tankers?
Scouts?
Nova Knives?
Dropships?

none of them got respecs when they were nerfed.

all of you AR guys said, "NO RESPECS!"

but now that you're in the path of the nerf hammer, you demand a respec.

anyway, i hope we get a respec so i can properly rework my scout.

no hate towards you bro. just a general statement.

Nerf the AR, but don't give respecs. At least not right away. I need time to exact my vengeance while they squirt their water pistols!

Respecs for everyone.

It's not even about skills being removed, but skills being added as well. Some if not many of the new skills could be considered "mandatory" in a given build, such as the vehicle skills that increase module duration 5% per level, or reduce module cooldown by 5% per level. These are skills that no one would ever pass up, yet if they are simply added, it will be as if every player made the decision to not choose these crucial core skills.

Respec is the only way to make sure everything is fair.

i hope we get a respec, but really? now the AR boys are complaining they want a respec if they get nerfed?

what about the Core Flaylocks?
Tankers?
Scouts?
Nova Knives?
Dropships?

none of them got respecs when they were nerfed.

all of you AR guys said, "NO RESPECS!"

but now that you're in the path of the nerf hammer, you demand a respec.

anyway, i hope we get a respec so i can properly rework my scout.

no hate towards you bro. just a general statement.

If this AR nerfing happens i want a respec of my AR skills, so i can fully spec into the SCR. I'm not grinding millions of SP again to fully Spec in another weapon, when i'm already done that.

Also... no ninja nerfing CCP, because i will notice, and let everyone know.

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh

I ran this through google-translate, to be sure I understood it correctly

Nahh, it translates like ;

If you nerf something that isn't broken just to satisfy the ego of few morons, you better compensate all the innocent people that will suffer.... or get ready to lose lots of loyal vets that have been with you for nearly a year.

I personally won't take that **** ... that will be the final drop ....

but the ar is broken....very broken, it has no falloff. it deals full damage from minimum to maximum range, making it the go to weapon for every situation except incredibly long ranges.

Snip.

Blah, blah, blah

Yes.. i already talk you.... the other weapons are broken, the AR is working as INTENDED.

So you dismiss my comment because you don't agree with it, noted.

I have never seen any of the guys that support the assault rifle say there should be no respecs ever
In fact I see a lot of names that cry nerf the ar also cry no respecs

Niche players gotta step their game up such as tankers crying they get blown up when they park next to a CRU to farm kills or scouts crying they get killed so easily ever since hit detection was fixed shattering their egos and idea they were just super bad ass ninjas that couldnt be touched

But lets the tears flow like whine, when the range on the AR gets brought down to ten meters like you whiners want Ill still have the scrambler rifle, combat rifle, and rail rifle
Or did you guys forget those will be added when the AR changes come and everyone of those weapons has a better range

If this AR nerfing happens i want a respec of my AR skills, so i can fully spec into the SCR. I'm not grinding millions of SP again to fully Spec in another weapon, when i'm already done that.

Also... no ninja nerfing CCP, because i will notice, and let everyone know.

What makes Ar users so special? You guys got every other weapon nerfed then QQ about no respec to those weapon users. Now it might be your precious crutch and you deserve a respec. What a joke you guys are but you might get it since your ccps charity case.

What makes Ar users so special? You guys got every other weapon nerfed then QQ about no respec to those weapon users. Now it might be your precious crutch and you deserve a respec. What a joke you guys are but you might get it since your ccps charity case.

Actually ... the AR users are normally the quiet ones that never QQ about anything... all the nerfing happens between Scout with shotguns and Heavies with HMG's.

A bit like Elephants V's Flies .....

Drink your apple juice, and get back to your nap...

Sorry you must be on a different forum.Ar users are the first to QQ on the forum.

Nahh.. you definitely in the wrong forum...Scouts nerfed the HMG and the Heavy suit... then the heavies nerfed the Scout and the Shotgun.. both of them nerfed the sniper rifle... and is because all the crap that we have weapons like the Mass Driver, Plasma Cannon, Forge Gun and OP grenades ...

David Versus Goliath .... Scouts thinks that David is the best... Heavies thinks that Goliath is the best... you see the dilemma ?

AR users are just in the middle of all that Crap.

Ar users and their mental gymnastics..lol. Last time i check scouts took a hit because Ars complained the couldn't hit them. Ar users got scouts,heavies and non-Ar weapons nerfed but once the crutch is gone you'll wake up.

You say nerfing ..... i say Buffing.

If you say so been here since open beta.You can blame it on what you want.Fact is Assault ars are the majority and suits and weapons have been nerfed around them. There's really no point in convincing Ar user anything you still think the Ar isnt OP.

Yea it will suck but that's what happens when victims cry to the police with full on wailing. The community is bent on nerfing every weapon that kills them. Now its all about the heavies. Then when they get buff, the community will respond with "Nerf the Heavies!!". Just imagine the Caldari heavy qq threads when they release them. I'm telling you they are going to be inbound.

It's utter nonsense and also discouraging to a certain degree. Folks are crying about weapons when we don't even have every racial variant weapon and dropsuit.

I intend to stick with the Gallente AR. As I get better with it, it will be a nice eff you to all those qq'ers who insisted it wasn't their tactics as a problem but the weapon.

Listen mate ... be quiet ... because you really have not IDEA... i was here when Heavies where everywhere and HMG's used to kill people from 500 meters away.. i was also here when scouts where impossible to kill and shotguns used to kill Heavies in ONE single shot. Scouts and Heavies destroyed each other ... and now they trying to do the same with the Assault suit and the AR.

Listen mate ... be quiet ... because you really have not IDEA... i was here when Heavies where everywhere and HMG's used to kill people from 500 meters away.. i was also here when scouts where impossible to kill and shotguns used to kill Heavies in ONE single shot. Scouts and Heavies destroyed each other ... and now they trying to do the same with the Assault suit and the AR.

Wait. What exactly is the Caldari Assault Rifle? Can someone explain to me in detail?

This is absurd.

Scouts and heavies destroyed each other, because the good little AR boys never said anything about anyone not using an AR killing them right?

Please put down the bag of glue, it is really bad for you long term.

Believe what you want... that is what happen. I remember clearly a period in Dust 154, when Assaults where just target practice for Heavies and Scouts, and the AR was pretty much ignored. All the QQing was Heavies complaining about Scouts, and Scouts complaining about Heavies. Do a search if you don't believe me.

Just like you I have been here for awhile. My recollection of the events is very different from yours.

Then again, I am not trying to protect my precious do anything weapon.

So you don't remember all the ;

Shotguns are OP, they are destroying my HEAVY suit in one shot !!

or

Heavies are sniping from the top of a roof with a HMG !!!

I even remember CCP thinking about nerfing the ladders at one point .....

Played as a heavy all through open beta, never got OHK by a shotgun.

The people complaining about heavies on roofs were AR users who found themselves outranged because the heavy had dumped all his SP into HWSS.

Assaults with AR's were the most vocal opponents of anything being viable other than the AR, and you want to pretend like it isn't so.

Whatever, enjoy your nerf you crying pansy. I don't waste time on people who refuse to be realistic.

Nahh, it translates like ;

If you nerf something that isn't broken just to satisfy the ego of few morons, you better compensate all the innocent people that will suffer.... or get ready to lose lots of loyal vets that have been with you for nearly a year.

I personally won't take that **** ... that will be the final drop ....

Actually, i only use the AR sometimes... my favorite weapon is the Sniper rifle... even after all the nerfing ...I only use the AR because i invested so much SP on it.

Yeah okay how much sp did assaults put in there suits? But no its just my ego because it doesn't effect you...use 1 equipment in pc then you realize how useless the assault suit is but keep saying its my ego

Yeah.. you missing the point.... How good is the HMG when you have maxed all the skills ? Or the SCR ? About as good or even better than the AR with maxed skills ?

Yeah.. you missing the point.... How good is the HMG when you have maxed all the skills ? Or the SCR ? About as good or even better than the AR with maxed skills ?

Yes.. i already talk you.... the other weapons are broken, the AR is working as INTENDED.

LOL no.

HMG vs AR is a no contest. AR wins 99% of the time.

AR vs ScR is harder to quantify, but in overall versatility, the AR still comes out on top.

judging by your likes, you obviously read the forums a lot, but do you have ANY idea what you're talking about?

how can you say tankers have no right to cry when a 2 million isk tank can be solo'ed by one 100k isk suit?

how can you say scouts have no right to cry when Nova Knives hit detection is so broken, they are almost unuseable? whatever a scout can do, an assault or logi can do just as well, if not better.

i don't see why you're defending them. they threw us to sharks and now when its their turn, they get an exception?

but the ar is broken....very broken, it has no falloff. it deals full damage from minimum to maximum range, making it the go to weapon for every situation except incredibly long ranges.

No... another one that have problems listening .... i said MAXED skills.... ;

Weapon Operation

Weapon Proficiency

Heat Reduction

Sharpshooter

And so on...

Are you trying to say that the HMG with maxed skill is worst than the AR ?

Ive noticed heavies are more adaptable though and have taken to cruising in LLAVs and jumping out right next to you which drastically minimizes their vulnerability window and eliminates the range disadvantage

Absolutely.

Actual DPS, Range, accuracy, the AR wins on all fronts. Add in the triple effective range and it is a no contest.

Are you actually trying to say the HMG is better than the AR? Are you on crack?

Please tell me how an HMG is better than an AR at anything other than marking up the walls behind the guy you are shooting at.

The hipster's hate for the AR is strong in this thread.



Full damage up to maximum range? The hell it does; at 50M+ you're shooting pellets and at 70M+ you're shooting marshmallows. SgtDoughnut, you're either a liar or an idiot, possibly both.

Before any hipster calls me an AR fanboy or something along that line; I use every weapon except the FL, HMG, and PC .

I use an ADV HMG with a ADV heavy suit .....so i honestly think that YOU are in crack. The only problem with the HMG is the aiming... or to be precise the fact that you have to AIM and not just spray and pray... but the AR have exactly the same problem.

If you find the HMG hard to use is because you aiming SUCKS.

This is the best sentence ever written.

Heavies are fine, just dump 300k SP into the LLAV(which is getting removed) and then drop a couple hundred thousand ISK so that you are not a sitting duck.

Balance!

Did I say it was hard to use?

Learn to read.

I have no problems with the HMG, but to say that it is better than the AR defeats your argument because everyone knows it isn't true.

So please, continue to try and spin your BS, but I will have none of it.

You just refuse to admit you are wrong, and that is ok, I have seen many stuborn children like you before. Keep telling yourself you are fighting the good fight.

Hey, just because some guys figured out how to actually play a heavy like someone who leads the charge and kicks in the door doesnt mean you should be upset because you are still the dumb fat kind trundling out into the open to get killed
But if thats to hard then just use the HMG for what it was designed to do, point defense, Im sure we all know what a pain it is to try and take a point in an installation thats guarded by a heavy at a choke point
The new installations in particular have a lot of nice spots to set up and throw a wall of bullets at anyone unfortunate enough to poke their head through a hall or doorway

I head shoot people with my HMG as easily as with the AR... As a person that uses both regularly, i'll say that the balance between the two is nearly perfect. Except that in CQC the HMG is a monster .....

Wow, you just get sillier.

So, the heavy class needs to invest SP and money in a vehicle if they want to not be forced to sit on a flag. Good to know that is how you see the gameplay going forward.

Heavy on point defense is a problem? LOL, flank, strafe, grenade. All will devastate heavies, except from the good ones, who are few and far between.

Any chokepoint where a heavy could potentially lock something down will leave him just as vulnerable as any other suit to getting scanned, mass driven, or grenaded out of the chokepoint.

Calling heavies PD only is the same thing as asking for them to be taken out of the game. There is no reason for the heavy suit to be PD when other suits can perform the job much better.

AR users unite! Other people still want to play other classes, kill them with fire!

You must not be very good if you complain about all these things that can kill you and as for point defense take that up with the Devs, they have stated before that heavies are the defenders and not the first wave guys kicking in doors

Also have you ever heard of setting up somewhere not in the direct line of fire? There is this amazing thing you can do where you stand at an angle from the opening to a room so when someone enters you have a direct bead on them before they have one on you
This might be a little advanced for you though if the mean old AR guys with grenades are giving you as much trouble as your whining indicates
Of course how you could have so much trouble in a suit that gives you 1k EHP if your core skills are up is beyond me, hell thats even before you add any modules
But go ahead, complain about stuff that only damages you while it outright kills others in different suits, that doesnt under mine you at all

Do YOU have any idea what you are talking about?

Expecting to win just because you put down more isk is the definition of pay to win and is something that should be discouraged at all costs

Also Scouts =/= Nova Knives, I shouldnt have to explain that a drop suit is not a weapon and though I know a lot of scouts cry they cant do anything their mobility is unmatched, I can easily hop over a railing in a scout suit I need a running start to vault in a medium and if Im in a heavy forget about it
Now if you ask me if that mobility is well utilized by a lot of people I will say hell no, a lot of scouts I see still try to play like hit detection for all guns was broken and try to charge head on with a shotgun bunny hopping along the way
On the other hand if you ask me if our current map design allows for that mobility to be used in creative ways Ill say no it doesnt and current maps should be reworked if possible and future maps designed with areas only scouts can reach and pass through which would drastically increase their effect in the field
But as I said that is a map problem, not a problem inherent in the scout suit itself, just as the abundance of wide open spaces makes the HMG less effective since theres enough space to dodge easily and engage from outside its effective range on most maps
Ive noticed heavies are more adaptable though and have taken to cruising in LLAVs and jumping out right next to you which drastically minimizes their vulnerability window and eliminates the range disadvantage

and no your pay to win argument is invalid. pay to win paying REAL money to own the battlefield. if someone calls in a 2 million isk tank that costs 10 matches to get back, he DAMN well better be owning the battlefield. not a hard concept. all of the dropsuits from one team combined=the price of 1 well fitted vayu/falchion.

Yeah, the difference is that is nothing wrong with the AR, it have never been... if they nerf the AR to the point that is useless, is only fair that they also give people a respec, or get ready for an exodus of people.

You seriously that arrogant, that you believe people are going to grind millions of SP again to satisfy your ego ? We talking about 90 % of the community here.... not just few players.

You cannot balance with ISK.

Just because tanks are expensive, does not mean they are a magical trump card, nor should they be.

Tanks should be strong because they are tanks, not because they are expensive.

i hope we get a respec, but really? now the AR boys are complaining they want a respec if they get nerfed?

what about the Core Flaylocks?
Tankers?
Scouts?
Nova Knives?
Dropships?

none of them got respecs when they were nerfed.

all of you AR guys said, "NO RESPECS!"

but now that you're in the path of the nerf hammer, you demand a respec.

anyway, i hope we get a respec so i can properly rework my scout.

no hate towards you bro. just a general statement.

I want a huge difference between active and passive tanks. People should have to choose between 30-60 seconds of brick or justbe a sodden ppiece of wood.

So because we chose a weapon that was not the AR and it got nerfed, we are not entitled to a respec but u r? I hope the AR is nerfed into oblivion just to see all of you cry. Remember how just about everyone had to adapt to nerfs. I spent 2 months worth of SPninto tanks that got nerfed. 1 month into callogi which got nerfed. I had to grind to become competitive and so will you. Of will be so sweet when submachine guns are ripping you apart in optimum range :) or when you try to take heavies head on and melt. Yup :) revenge is sweet. The nerf hammer spares no one....NO RESPECS ;)

If this AR nerfing happens i want a respec of my AR skills, so i can fully spec into the SCR. I'm not grinding millions of SP again to fully Spec in another weapon, when i'm already done that.

Also... no ninja nerfing CCP, because i will notice, and let everyone know.

You cannot balance with ISK.

Just because tanks are expensive, does not mean they are a magical trump card, nor should they be.

Tanks should be strong because they are tanks, not because they are expensive.

You cannot balance with ISK.

Just because tanks are expensive, does not mean they are a magical trump card, nor should they be.

Tanks should be strong because they are tanks, not because they are expensive.

yeah, a year of using the best weapon in the game at the lowest fitting cost in the game wasn't really enough.

I think this guy should get a respec, and no one else.

jagoff.

I don't think you should post with a name like "Low Genius" .. it just makes you sound a lot stupider every time you say something ignorant.

Ar scrubs take heed. Current ar is gallente high dps high rof, mixed with generalist CoD ar that does near equivelant damages at all ranges. If you want CoD ar, grab a minmatar ar. If you want Cqc bullet hose that loses at longer ranges, grab a gallente ar.
Currently the AR has CoD ar mechanics with EvE gallente mechanics. IT IS THE ONLY WEAPON THAT CAN KILL AT 130+ METERS!

Rant aside, i have nabbed full hp kills using mlt ar at 120+ meters. Whereas the Lazor Riffle loses outside 90.5 meters. That is wrong. Ar noobs need to have their amarrageddon, and this is coming from a minmatarian.