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The Attorney General
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Posted - 2013.10.23 12:49:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:
You say nerfing ..... i say Buffing.
Just so no to power creep. |
The Attorney General
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Posted - 2013.10.23 13:22:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:
Listen mate ... be quiet ... because you really have not IDEA... i was here when Heavies where everywhere and HMG's used to kill people from 500 meters away.. i was also here when scouts where impossible to kill and shotguns used to kill Heavies in ONE single shot. Scouts and Heavies destroyed each other ... and now they trying to do the same with the Assault suit and the AR.
This is absurd.
Scouts and heavies destroyed each other, because the good little AR boys never said anything about anyone not using an AR killing them right?
Please put down the bag of glue, it is really bad for you long term. |
The Attorney General
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.23 13:34:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:
Believe what you want... that is what happen. I remember clearly a period in Dust 154, when Assaults where just target practice for Heavies and Scouts, and the AR was pretty much ignored. All the QQing was Heavies complaining about Scouts, and Scouts complaining about Heavies. Do a search if you don't believe me.
Just like you I have been here for awhile. My recollection of the events is very different from yours.
Then again, I am not trying to protect my precious do anything weapon. |
The Attorney General
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Posted - 2013.10.23 13:46:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:So you don't remember all the ; Shotguns are OP, they are destroying my HEAVY suit in one shot !! or Heavies are sniping from the top of a roof with a HMG !!! I even remember CCP thinking about nerfing the ladders at one point .....
Played as a heavy all through open beta, never got OHK by a shotgun.
The people complaining about heavies on roofs were AR users who found themselves outranged because the heavy had dumped all his SP into HWSS.
Assaults with AR's were the most vocal opponents of anything being viable other than the AR, and you want to pretend like it isn't so.
Whatever, enjoy your nerf you crying pansy. I don't waste time on people who refuse to be realistic. |
The Attorney General
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Posted - 2013.10.23 14:17:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:
Yeah.. you missing the point.... How good is the HMG when you have maxed all the skills ? Or the SCR ? About as good or even better than the AR with maxed skills ?
LOL no.
HMG vs AR is a no contest. AR wins 99% of the time.
AR vs ScR is harder to quantify, but in overall versatility, the AR still comes out on top. |
The Attorney General
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.23 14:30:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:No... another one that have problems listening .... i said MAXED skills.... ; Weapon Operation
Weapon Proficiency
Heat Reduction
Sharpshooter
And so on... Are you trying to say that the HMG with maxed skill is worst than the AR ?
Absolutely.
Actual DPS, Range, accuracy, the AR wins on all fronts. Add in the triple effective range and it is a no contest.
Are you actually trying to say the HMG is better than the AR? Are you on crack?
Please tell me how an HMG is better than an AR at anything other than marking up the walls behind the guy you are shooting at. |
The Attorney General
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Posted - 2013.10.23 14:32:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote: Ive noticed heavies are more adaptable though and have taken to cruising in LLAVs and jumping out right next to you which drastically minimizes their vulnerability window and eliminates the range disadvantage
This is the best sentence ever written.
Heavies are fine, just dump 300k SP into the LLAV(which is getting removed) and then drop a couple hundred thousand ISK so that you are not a sitting duck.
Balance!
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The Attorney General
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.23 14:41:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:
I use an ADV HMG with a ADV heavy suit .....so i honestly think that YOU are in crack. The only problem with the HMG is the aiming... or to be precise the fact that you have to AIM and not just spray and pray... but the AR have exactly the same problem.
If you find the HMG hard to use is because you aiming SUCKS.
Did I say it was hard to use?
Learn to read.
I have no problems with the HMG, but to say that it is better than the AR defeats your argument because everyone knows it isn't true.
So please, continue to try and spin your BS, but I will have none of it.
You just refuse to admit you are wrong, and that is ok, I have seen many stuborn children like you before. Keep telling yourself you are fighting the good fight.
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The Attorney General
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.23 14:49:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:
Hey, just because some guys figured out how to actually play a heavy like someone who leads the charge and kicks in the door doesnt mean you should be upset because you are still the dumb fat kind trundling out into the open to get killed But if thats to hard then just use the HMG for what it was designed to do, point defense, Im sure we all know what a pain it is to try and take a point in an installation thats guarded by a heavy at a choke point The new installations in particular have a lot of nice spots to set up and throw a wall of bullets at anyone unfortunate enough to poke their head through a hall or doorway
Wow, you just get sillier.
So, the heavy class needs to invest SP and money in a vehicle if they want to not be forced to sit on a flag. Good to know that is how you see the gameplay going forward.
Heavy on point defense is a problem? LOL, flank, strafe, grenade. All will devastate heavies, except from the good ones, who are few and far between.
Any chokepoint where a heavy could potentially lock something down will leave him just as vulnerable as any other suit to getting scanned, mass driven, or grenaded out of the chokepoint.
Calling heavies PD only is the same thing as asking for them to be taken out of the game. There is no reason for the heavy suit to be PD when other suits can perform the job much better.
AR users unite! Other people still want to play other classes, kill them with fire! |
The Attorney General
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.23 14:52:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:
I head shoot people with my HMG as easily as with the AR... As a person that uses both regularly, i'll say that the balance between the two is nearly perfect. Except that in CQC the HMG is a monster .....
OK, I am going to ignore the rest of your posts, you are clearly delusional.
Besides, you can't even figure out what weapons you want to tell us you use. First you were a Sniper, now you use the HMG and AR regularly.
If you can't even make up your mind about what stories you are going to use to backup your bad arguments, then how can anyone refute you.
Oh well, no more reading your garbage for me. |
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The Attorney General
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Posted - 2013.10.23 15:11:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:
You must not be very good if you complain about all these things that can kill you and as for point defense take that up with the Devs, they have stated before that heavies are the defenders and not the first wave guys kicking in doors
Also have you ever heard of setting up somewhere not in the direct line of fire? There is this amazing thing you can do where you stand at an angle from the opening to a room so when someone enters you have a direct bead on them before they have one on you This might be a little advanced for you though if the mean old AR guys with grenades are giving you as much trouble as your whining indicates Of course how you could have so much trouble in a suit that gives you 1k EHP if your core skills are up is beyond me, hell thats even before you add any modules But go ahead, complain about stuff that only damages you while it outright kills others in different suits, that doesnt under mine you at all
Re read my post, and observe where I say that I am getting killed in my fat suit.
Considering that I am a tanker, I didn't say that, so your first sentence is asinine, doubly so for inserting a point to which I did not allude.
Until you can actually decipher what I am saying, maybe you should just sit this one out. |
The Attorney General
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.23 15:21:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:
and no your pay to win argument is invalid. pay to win paying REAL money to own the battlefield. if someone calls in a 2 million isk tank that costs 10 matches to get back, he DAMN well better be owning the battlefield. not a hard concept. all of the dropsuits from one team combined=the price of 1 well fitted vayu/falchion.
You cannot balance with ISK.
Just because tanks are expensive, does not mean they are a magical trump card, nor should they be.
Tanks should be strong because they are tanks, not because they are expensive. |
The Attorney General
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.23 17:34:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:
I want a huge difference between active and passive tanks. People should have to choose between 30-60 seconds of brick or justbe a sodden ppiece of wood.
Different topic, for another thread.
CharCharOdell wrote:
So because we chose a weapon that was not the AR and it got nerfed, we are not entitled to a respec but u r? I hope the AR is nerfed into oblivion just to see all of you cry. Remember how just about everyone had to adapt to nerfs. I spent 2 months worth of SPninto tanks that got nerfed. 1 month into callogi which got nerfed. I had to grind to become competitive and so will you. Of will be so sweet when submachine guns are ripping you apart in optimum range :) or when you try to take heavies head on and melt. Yup :) revenge is sweet. The nerf hammer spares no one....NO RESPECS ;)
Looking at it objectively the AR probably will not get nerfed hard.
The Gallente AR will get a reduction in overall range, and the other variants will be added in to expand that envelope. Probably a fair improvement over what they have now.
The big difference is that they will(hopefully) have to spec into another weapon, which is what the real issue is. It is basically the same argument that heavies and scouts who want the unreleased suits are having over their SP. Except the AR users are getting their stuff ahead of others, which makes sense because they are the majority. They should be happy, but some of them obviously can't be content with getting new content if it means a slight reduction of the effectiveness of what they have.
Where is the HTFU parade when you need it? |
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