just sayin.....

You are not helping your cause at all. You fail to be objective, not to mention you completely contort the basis of analytical thinking. Trying to be a smart @ss and not even willing to discuss and counter points of the othee side is rude and makes you look ignorant and un informed.

You are not helping your cause at all. You fail to be objective, not to mention you completely contort the basis of analytical thinking. Trying to be a smart @ss and not even willing to discuss and counter points of the othee side is rude and makes you look ignorant and un informed.

Im sorry what have i missed? this topic HAS been done and redone many times, im sorry if ive hit a nerve but if your accusing me of not being objective then i can pretty much say the same of everyone else in this thread...

Heavies and tanks both have their advantages and disadvantages that trasfer to other weapon systems. You play to your advantages, yes a tank cant trundle down a corridor but it can pretty much ignore all small arms fire and take a serious beating besides.

Rail guns apply pinpoint high dmg shots at a high rate of fire, FG's are similar but at a lower rate of fire.

Please feel free to argue the point instead of being a bit of a douch

Compressed rail - 1800dmg
Breach FG - 2700dmg

Particle cannon - 1400dmg
IAFG - 1500dmg

FG is still stronger even tho its handheld and require 10x less fitting costs while it fires faster overall

Vehicle pilots cannot see FG because lolrendering, we cannot even see the blue ball of energy anymore, and the only way to kill them is with a direct hit because splash on the vehicle railgun got nerfed but on the FG it didnt

The breach FG doesnt lock out on the ground either, for some reason you can still move and hop around

The railgun in the vehicle rebalace is going to do about 2k dmg, the FG will get nerfed so it should do less than it does now because ya know something that requires a tank to use and fit and its 10times bigger aswell as 10times the fitting costs should do alot more damage

You dont think Rof matters at all?

How about the amount of dmg each can take?

Or the many many many other things that go for and against both?

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The railgun in the vehicle rebalace is going to do about 2k dmg, the FG will get nerfed so it should do less than it does now because ya know something that requires a tank to use and fit and its 10times bigger aswell as 10times the fitting costs should do alot more damage

Do you really think the Dev's are so stupid they will nerf Forge Guns because of the Forum Metagame?

yes we all know the railgun has faster rof , but it also overheats quickly , it cannot duck behind corners or drop onto rooftops and fire down onto the field , it also has a ridiculous turret which cannot hit high targets !

33% nerf currently

If my railgun has ammo then it should be alot stronger than a FG with ammo because its bigger/more powerful and requires a ******* tank to use

You dont think Rof matters at all?

How about the amount of dmg each can take?

Or the many many many other things that go for and against both?

Get an IAFG, faster ROF/more dmg/more splash/kills infantry better than a railgun can/cheaper to buy/tower camp like a boss/dmg mods in highs doesnt effect tank

Tank with best railgun/requires alot of SP and ISK for the tank so it can survive against proto AV, railgun itself has less damage/overheats/less splash/costs alot more ISK/crap against infantry unless you dmg mods it out the ass but may reduce your tank if you armor tank

Ok... overheat can be managed and still vastly outstrip the FG. Railgun tanks duck behind cover, and use high ground all the time.
Tanks and turrets in general have elevation problems... there are ways round this.



No numbers have been given for AV yet

... keep the arguments coming...

Wolfmans desk

33% nerf they are looking at

Let's Hope CCP dont screw the LAST heavy weapon.

We have sooooooooo many Heavy Weap.

Ive killed a heavy with a flux grenade...

Rof? range? Dmg? Ammo? Charge? Splash? NEED MOAR

there is a real sickness in this game.. i'm convinced that is mostly coming from AV. I dunno maybe?

why is it that a handheld weapon is on par with a railgun turret thats like 10 metres long? and 300,000 isk ??? if you havent guessed it by now yes i am crying about forge guns being OP , i think the issue is that they have to mutch ammo in a clip 3-4 shots is to ridiculous for a weapon that doesnt even overheat like a railgun does!! what do you guys think ? cry some moar or HTFU?

As said in too many post the only problem is Tower-Forgin but ESPECIALLY render distance.

will charge in roughly 2 secs !!

I'll just say what I said in the other Crybaby Tanker thread:

What you aren't thinking about is the fact that there are literally only FOUR weapons in this entire game that are not capable of killing a Heavy. These being AV grenades, Flux grenads, Proximity Mines, and Swarm Launchers. Every other weapon has the potential to kill a Heavy.
So, lets list the weapons capable of killing a Heavy Lets see...

Assault Rifle
Scrambler Rifle
Sniper Rifle
Shotgun
Mass Driver
Plasma Cannon
HMG
Forge Gun
Scrambler Pistol
Flaylock Pistol
SMG
Remote Explosives
Nova Knife
Locus Grenades

Take into account the different variants of these and there is A LOT of weapons on the field which can kill a Heavy, which are by and far much more prevalent on the battlefield than AV weapons. Indeed 100% of players on the battlefield are carrying at least 1 weapon which is capable of killing a Heavy at any given point in a match.

Lets see what can effectively destroy a HAV

AV Grenades
Swarm Launchers
Forge Guns
Proximity Mines

These maybe account for 10% of all weapons fielded in battle at any given time

Now take into account that your HAV has thousands more HP than a Heavy Dropsuit, with more speed. Your rail turrets have a zoom ability where a Forge Gun does not, a higher RoF, No reload time, No charge time.

I'll also add that Tank turrets both small and large can kill a Heavy Much Much MUCH MUCH faster than they can destroy a HAV. The same is true for Installation turrets.