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Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 25	Posted - 2013.10.22 05:41:00 - [1] - Quote why is it that a handheld weapon is on par with a railgun turret thats like 10 metres long? and 300,000 isk ??? if you havent guessed it by now yes i am crying about forge guns being OP , i think the issue is that they have to mutch ammo in a clip 3-4 shots is to ridiculous for a weapon that doesnt even overheat like a railgun does!! what do you guys think ? cry some moar or HTFU?
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 25	Posted - 2013.10.22 06:05:00 - [2] - Quote medomai grey wrote: I think asking for changes to items that are slated to be changed 2 patches down the road is a waste of energy and time. Also you suck at analyzing; large rail turrets are better than forge guns. lol oh ok how many railguns do you see these days? seeing a rail tank is like seeing a unicorn on dust , why? because there slower more expensive and they overheat after 3 shots without a cooler module , sure they can 1 shot infantry but you cant take a rail-tank into a hallway!!
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 25	Posted - 2013.10.22 06:09:00 - [3] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Confirming wallaby takes pills to get his ** hard because hes a **. ITS A SCI GAME * ** CAN DO ANYTHING IT WANTS! lol wut?
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 27	Posted - 2013.10.22 08:08:00 - [4] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: medomai grey wrote: I think asking for changes to items that are slated to be changed 2 patches down the road is a waste of energy and time. Also you suck at analyzing; large rail turrets are better than forge guns. Okay.... do large rails do more damage? nope Are large rails highly mobile? Nope can only go where a tank can. Are large rails adaptable? Nope, forge can be effectively used from inside a building, around a corner, on top of a building etc.. All places Large rail cannot. Can large rails hide? Nope! they can be seen from the map view no matter where they go! (forges cannot) That's a lot of benefits to Large Rails eh?.... waiit a minuuuttee... Yea, you really suck at analysis. Stay the hell away from anything that requires you to draw conclusions because its really not your strong suit. Normally when you compare two things to find out which is better, you have to be objective and weigh the positives and negatives that each option has. Something you are clearly not capable of. Because CCP hasn't released the intended forge gun changes they plan to make as part of their vehicle overhaul, I am forced to assume that you are talking about current forge guns and large rail turrets. In which case, as I stated before, is pointless to discuss because CCP already intends to change them. Having said that, for your benefit, i will bother to compare the two items in question. Large rail turrets have significantly longer range and rate of fire than forge guns. Rail turrets also have the ability to ADS and zoom in where as forge guns do not. Large rail turrets have infinite ammo but are restricted by a overheat mechanic. Conversely, forge guns have limited ammo but do not have an overheat mechanic. Both items have to charge before firing, but the rail turret may skip the charging process for every shot immediately fired after the first charged shot. Large rail turrets are restricted in how high and low they can aim where the forge gun has no such restriction. Large rail turrets may still have target rendering issues. Rail turrets are used on tanks that are faster, larger and sturdier than the only class of suit that can equip a forge gun, heavy suits. In conclusion, current large rail turrets have the advantage over forge guns in range, accuracy, ammunition and rate of fire. However rail turrets suffer from limitations in how high and low they can aim and tend to have target rendering issues. As for the platforms that equip the two items, tanks are faster and more sturdier than heavy suits. Although the smaller heavy suit has access to areas that a tank would be restricted from on the account of its large size. ERROR! TLDR
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 27	Posted - 2013.10.22 08:18:00 - [5] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Comparing Forge Guns to Rail Turrets is apples and oranges. Forge Guns have highly visible shots. Even the fastest is nine times slower to fire on the trigger pull. At this time still have limited ammunition. Also are restricted to a crappy buffer tank suit. It really is funny how some people are selective in their analyst. Especially when it is oh-so-conveniently to their own benefit. lol 9 times slower you say? yes it really is funny how people are "selective in their analyst" ! , total BS last time i checked a skilled assault forge will charge in roughly 2 secs !!
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 27	Posted - 2013.10.22 08:20:00 - [6] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Wallaby1 wrote: ERROR! TLDR Of course it's too large for your puny brain to process. My apologies... on your puny brain. Nature can be so cruel sometimes. lol yes you clearly are to smart for us poor little blueberries to handle , talking cr@p on a forum (clap clap clap) run along now you champion
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 27	Posted - 2013.10.22 08:25:00 - [7] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Wallaby1 wrote: medomai grey wrote: Wallaby1 wrote: ERROR! TLDR Of course it's too large for your puny brain to process. My apologies... on your puny brain. Nature can be so cruel sometimes. lol yes you clearly are to smart for us poor little blueberries to handle , talking cr@p on a forum (clap clap clap) run along now you champion Tiny brain and easily broken I see. Quitting already? ahahahahahah quitting? yes did you expect me to argue with you? lolwtf get a life
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 27	Posted - 2013.10.22 08:27:00 - [8] - Quote Jastad wrote: Wallaby1 wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Comparing Forge Guns to Rail Turrets is apples and oranges. Forge Guns have highly visible shots. Even the fastest is nine times slower to fire on the trigger pull. At this time still have limited ammunition. Also are restricted to a crappy buffer tank suit. It really is funny how some people are selective in their analyst. Especially when it is oh-so-conveniently to their own benefit. lol 9 times slower you say? yes it really is funny how people are "selective in their analyst" ! , total BS last time i checked a skilled assault forge will charge in roughly 2 secs !! Proto Raild DMG 1784 Proto IAF 1500 The Breach FG ( the only one that surpass Rail damage) Has a charge time of 6 sec, while a proto turret 2,2. And also LOCK YOU ON THE GROUND.... yes but with proficiency skilled up the charge time is reduced
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 27	Posted - 2013.10.22 08:47:00 - [9] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Wallaby1 wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Comparing Forge Guns to Rail Turrets is apples and oranges. Forge Guns have highly visible shots. Even the fastest is nine times slower to fire on the trigger pull. At this time still have limited ammunition. Also are restricted to a crappy buffer tank suit. It really is funny how some people are selective in their analyst. Especially when it is oh-so-conveniently to their own benefit. lol 9 times slower you say? yes it really is funny how people are "selective in their analyst" ! , total BS last time i checked a skilled assault forge will charge in roughly 2 secs !! (Base Assault Forge Gun Firing Time * FG Opt at 5) / Large Rail Firing Time (2.5 * 0.75)/0.2 = 9.375 Hence Large Rail Turrets fire nine times faster than the fastest Forge Gun. lol never in your wildest dreams , were are you reading this?
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 27	Posted - 2013.10.22 08:52:00 - [10] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: how many times do we have to go through this topic!! Its all getting changed anyway lol FG = higher Alpha dmg/ on a suit Rail gun = higher DPS (scope)/ on a tank What is the problem? i mean really? just sayin.....

Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 27	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:41:00 - [11] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Wallaby1 wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: how many times do we have to go through this topic!! Its all getting changed anyway lol FG = higher Alpha dmg/ on a suit Rail gun = higher DPS (scope)/ on a tank What is the problem? i mean really? just sayin..... You are not helping your cause at all. You fail to be objective, not to mention you completely contort the basis of analytical thinking. Trying to be a smart @ss and not even willing to discuss and counter points of the othee side is rude and makes you look ignorant and un informed. im not gonna sit down and right out a well informed researched essay in reply to snarky sarcastic A-holes on a fuggn forum man ,jesus its high and mighty **** like that which makes me reluctanct to give a toss about anything people say !!! & GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 27	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:50:00 - [12] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Wallaby1 wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: how many times do we have to go through this topic!! Its all getting changed anyway lol FG = higher Alpha dmg/ on a suit Rail gun = higher DPS (scope)/ on a tank What is the problem? i mean really? just sayin..... You are not helping your cause at all. You fail to be objective, not to mention you completely contort the basis of analytical thinking. Trying to be a smart @ss and not even willing to discuss and counter points of the othee side is rude and makes you look ignorant and un informed. Im sorry what have i missed? this topic HAS been done and redone many times, im sorry if ive hit a nerve but if your accusing me of not being objective then i can pretty much say the same of everyone else in this thread... Heavies and tanks both have their advantages and disadvantages that trasfer to other weapon systems. You play to your advantages, yes a tank cant trundle down a corridor but it can pretty much ignore all small arms fire and take a serious beating besides. Rail guns apply pinpoint high dmg shots at a high rate of fire, FG's are similar but at a lower rate of fire. Please feel free to argue the point instead of being a bit of a douch the OP seems to be lost in translation i was simply stating forge guns are as powerful as railguns , then people started getting all pissy about it >:C
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 27	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:51:00 - [13] - Quote ...
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 27	Posted - 2013.10.22 10:22:00 - [14] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Compressed rail - 1800dmg Breach FG - 2700dmg Particle cannon - 1400dmg IAFG - 1500dmg FG is still stronger even tho its handheld and require 10x less fitting costs while it fires faster overall Vehicle pilots cannot see FG because lolrendering, we cannot even see the blue ball of energy anymore, and the only way to kill them is with a direct hit because splash on the vehicle railgun got nerfed but on the FG it didnt The breach FG doesnt lock out on the ground either, for some reason you can still move and hop around The railgun in the vehicle rebalace is going to do about 2k dmg, the FG will get nerfed so it should do less than it does now because ya know something that requires a tank to use and fit and its 10times bigger aswell as 10times the fitting costs should do alot more damage You dont think Rof matters at all? How about the amount of dmg each can take? Or the many many many other things that go for and against both? yes we all know the railgun has faster rof , but it also overheats quickly , it cannot duck behind corners or drop onto rooftops and fire down onto the field , it also has a ridiculous turret which cannot hit high targets !
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 33	Posted - 2013.10.22 23:19:00 - [15] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Wallaby1 wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: how many times do we have to go through this topic!! Its all getting changed anyway lol FG = higher Alpha dmg/ on a suit Rail gun = higher DPS (scope)/ on a tank What is the problem? i mean really? just sayin..... You are not helping your cause at all. You fail to be objective, not to mention you completely contort the basis of analytical thinking. Trying to be a smart @ss and not even willing to discuss and counter points of the othee side is rude and makes you look ignorant and un informed. Im sorry what have i missed? this topic HAS been done and redone many times, im sorry if ive hit a nerve but if your accusing me of not being objective then i can pretty much say the same of everyone else in this thread... Heavies and tanks both have their advantages and disadvantages that trasfer to other weapon systems. You play to your advantages, yes a tank cant trundle down a corridor but it can pretty much ignore all small arms fire and take a serious beating besides. Rail guns apply pinpoint high dmg shots at a high rate of fire, FG's are similar but at a lower rate of fire. Please feel free to argue the point instead of being a bit of a douch I was even talking about you! I was talking to Wallaby. What a dumb@as... ffs not you again stay on topic or dont post please , im sick of forum rage wars
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 38	Posted - 2013.10.22 23:50:00 - [16] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Yeah... No point replying to people who are crude. At least half the tankers can crack a joke every now and then, but a good majority of the AV "specialists" seem to go all angsty 13 year old child. One who is trying to hump his computer screen while thinking his boring text makes him sound tough... You know they'll read just enough to reply like a robot, and not think about it enough to reply like a human. Not to say it doesn't also go the other way, but it is seeming like most of the juvenile snark comes from AV. But seriously, they don't read, they don't think, they just try to insult while others look on with sheer boredom. Many of your gripes with others apply to Wallaby1, Void_Echo, and you yourself. Its funny that you feel you have the right to berate others for what you yourself are guilty of. Also I do believe I told you to stay the hell away from anything that requires you to draw conclusions because your inability to be objective. You don't have to go out of your way to prove me right you know. i dont understand what your problem is pal , i haven't been trying to insult any1 except that 1 idiot who was an obvious troll ,i dont no why people like you have to come along with their smug sarcastic BS acting all high and mighty , i can just imagine you writing that sentence with your eyes closed
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 43	Posted - 2013.10.23 05:38:00 - [17] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Wallaby1 wrote: i dont understand what your problem is pal , i haven't been trying to insult any1 except that 1 idiot who was an obvious troll ,i dont know why people like you have to come along with their smug sarcastic BS acting all high and mighty , i can just imagine you writing that sentence with your eyes closed DeadlyAztec11 summarized it quite well didn't he? DeadlyAztec11 wrote: You are not helping your cause at all. You fail to be objective, not to mention you completely contort the basis of analytical thinking. Trying to be a smart @ss and not even willing to discuss and counter points of the other side is rude and makes you look ignorant and uninformed. Regardless of intent, you have obviously offended someone. And there was no sarcasm when I called you stupid. PS: It takes great skill to type a sentence with one's eyes closed. I'm so glad you noticed that one sentence. I was beginning worry that no one would notice. <<< This is sarcasm. !facepalm! , please be relevant to the original post and stop **** stirring i dont have to love your opinions and you dont have to love mine , but your comments are worthless to the point and only serve to make yourself seem like an ultra elitist d0uchebag
Wallaby1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 43	Posted - 2013.10.23 06:31:00 - [18] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Wallaby1 wrote: !facepalm! , please be relevant to the original post and stop **** stirring i dont have to love your opinions and you dont have to love mine , but your comments are worthless to the point and only serve to make yourself seem like an ultra elitist d0uchebag It's funny that you still believe your thread topic is still relevant after several people have already explained why it's currently pointless to discuss. Oh right, you don't have enough brain capacity to actually read you own thread. I really should be more considerate to your... handicap. You want me to stop trolling you... Whats the matter, can dish it out but can't take it? how am i dishing it out...? half the thread is your comments talking cr@p to people, honestly man the way you talk to people is absolute rubbish , its clear you THINK you're very intelligent , you accuse half the people on this thread of being idiots because there opinions differ to your own then you accuse me of being offensive and a troll? wtf!? whatever bro your clearly way to yoloswag intelligent for me to handle.