Proto turrets means a well fitted vehicles - which can be hard to kill

A proto FG is on a proto heavy - which is easy as hell to kill

So you tell me - is it fair?

Proto turrets means a well fitted vehicles - which can be hard to kill

A proto FG is on a proto heavy - which is easy as hell to kill

So you tell me - is it fair?

Proto turrets means a well fitted vehicles - which can be hard to kill

A proto FG is on a proto heavy - which is easy as hell to kill

So you tell me - is it fair?

Sota We all know you suck. And even playing with Cubs can not save you. :)

I also feel the AR is pretty OP

Bahaha I knew this troll can not smell a troll. Sota he has came to your defense and gave me a negative 1 what shell I ever do. I guess your opinion value is important sota even if you are so ****** that TP was the only guys willing to take you.

Is he bolding his words to try to make a points?

to SoTa... is ur name from the original 4 bit NES "Mike Tyson's Punch Out"?

what if that forge gun that does 2100dmg, cost JUST AS MUCH as that Rail turret that does 2100dmg?
93k ISK turrets?
-or-
950k ISK FG!

The Ishukone used to cost 117,000 ISK. Now it costs peanuts.

You'll never get infantry to agree that AV weapons should cost more.

Proto turrets means a well fitted vehicles - which can be hard to kill

A proto FG is on a proto heavy - which is easy as hell to kill

So you tell me - is it fair?

long time no see SoTa PoP...
full PRO FG FIT: 95K ISK
full PRO tank: 1.5mil ISK
dmg output EQUAL
regardless of HP difference PRO HVY FG fit is twice as difficult to kill
... LLAVs are another story tho...
but we aren't talking about them...
skilled PRO FGer kills Skilled PRO Tank in under 15 seconds
skilled PRO Tank is dead before he/she ever finds FGer...

lol... im a logi btw... not QQing

Tanks should cost less. You guys don't even get proto :(

That doesn't fix the imbalance of AV against tanks.

+1 to this
and to the comment above... fair enough (no PRO Tanks)... but I was actually referring to PRO turrets... remember... OP is referring to cost comparison between PRO Rail Turret v/s PRO FG fit (regarding dmg output, deadliness in any hands, and difficulty to kill)

The Ishukone used to cost 117,000 ISK. Now it costs peanuts.

You'll never get infantry to agree that AV weapons should cost more.

I could live with a PRice increase in FG's and Swarms if their effectivness stays the same.

I agree Proto Tank turrets are too damn expensive and need at LEAST a -+ price reduction....

"a PRO turret does not a PRO tank make"

+1 to this
gotchya... ur English sucks tho... I forgive u... the ONLY mods for vehicles are ADV... we know this... thanks for your idiocy in specifying that 1... il be handing oud PHD's tomorrow after work... meet me on the field, and il show u ur incompetence.

PS!!! OMG... ive had to edit this like 6 times! lolz

I could live with a PRice increase in FG's and Swarms if their effectivness stays the same.

I agree Proto Tank turrets are too damn expensive and need at LEAST a -+ price reduction....

Of course it does. A terrible pilot in my tank would still be destroyed easily. Me in a Soma would still be destroyed easily because they're just that pathetically weak.

But then, you don't listen to anything tankers say, ever, because you're amazingly ignorant of the difficulties facing tankers and refuse to believe that it may be at all difficult.

A PRO turret does not a PRO tank make.

LOL! My English sucks??? LOL!

No one will deny you vehicle guys proto turrets aren't priced right when consider the rest of the tank + cost of what it takes to counter it. Anyone who says otherwise has an extra-chromosome.

But it also takes several AV to take out 1 tank. So multiply your figures to consider that + rest of suit as well.

Either way - I side with vehicle guys. AV isn't balanced for tanks.

Several? Lol no, just one to take us out of the fight while we rep our armor back. Infantry has the huge overbearing problem that they're not "rewarded" for merely taking a tank out of the battle for a minute. They can't solo it in 2 seconds, and that's not fair.

I concede - If I think about it - in PC it only takes 1 FG on a roof to cancel out any help tanks could make.

Cancels out tanks, LAVs, dropships, and a squad and a half.

Four forge gunners wins a game.

I guess nobody ever listened to older family speaking.

long time no see SoTa PoP...
full PRO FG FIT: 95K ISK
full PRO tank: 1.5mil ISK
dmg output EQUAL
regardless of HP difference PRO HVY FG fit is twice as difficult to kill
... LLAVs are another story tho...
but we aren't talking about them...
skilled PRO FGer kills Skilled PRO Tank in under 15 seconds
skilled PRO Tank is dead before he/she ever finds FGer...

lol... im a logi btw... not QQing

You think a Thale's is a guaranteed kill with a shot to the body against PRO heavy suits?

I guess nobody ever listened to older family speaking.

What you aren't thinking about is the fact that there are literally only FOUR weapons in this entire game that are not capable of killing a Heavy. These being AV grenades, Flux grenads, Proximity Mines, and Swarm Launchers. Every other weapon has the potential to kill a Heavy.
So, lets list the weapons capable of killing a Heavy Lets see...

Assault Rifle
Scrambler Rifle
Sniper Rifle
Shotgun
Mass Driver
Plasma Cannon
HMG
Forge Gun
Scrambler Pistol
Flaylock Pistol
SMG
Remote Explosives
Nova Knife
Locus Grenades

Take into account the different variants of these and there is A LOT of weapons on the field which can kill a Heavy, which are by and far much more prevalent on the battlefield than AV weapons. Indeed 100% of players on the battlefield are carrying at least 1 weapon which is capable of killing a Heavy at any given point in a match.

Lets see what can effectively destroy a HAV

AV Grenades
Swarm Launchers
Forge Guns
Proximity Mines

These maybe account for 10% of all weapons fielded in battle at any given time

Now take into account that your HAV has thousands more HP than a Heavy Dropsuit, with more speed. Your rail turrets have a zoom ability where a Forge Gun does not, a higher RoF, No reload time, No charge time.

So tell me which is better?

in (ENGLISH) our word order is different than every other language... and it was NEVER spoken that way. not even at its origin... my typing may suck, but as a linguist... I assure u, ur English just plain sucks... lol

Also remember that AV weapons require special tactics or infantry positioning to be effective against an HAV.

To kill a Heavy just strafe, point, shoot or hit him with explosives.

I take down Proto Heavies with Rep tool locked on them with only a Gek AR, with AR Op 2, AR SS 3 No Damage Mods. It's so easy it's pathetic.

wait... u forgot REs... but that aside... have u EVER tanked? Rail ZOOM? seriously? SERIOUSLY?

Proto turrets means a well fitted vehicles - which can be hard to kill

A proto FG is on a proto heavy - which is easy as hell to kill

So you tell me - is it fair?

LIAR! BS! PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING... AR op lvl 2? GEK is unlocked at AR op lvl 3... buh-bye!

Oh well excuse me then AR Op 3

I'll correct that post, but it happened regardless.

This is a lie. I see proto FG and proto swarms on militia suits all time. Sure they are easy to kill, but you have to get to them first. Most times they are in very inaccessible places. Vehicles don't get the same luxury unfortunately.

AR SS is unlocked when???

If you're running a Prototype weapon on a MLT Dropsuit, you probably aren't running anything else.

"I don't know dude Op level 2? Would you like me to take a picture of my skill tree and fitting for you?Roll"
yes, yes... please post link here

lol gtfo dude ffs! you know what fine I will, just tell me a site I can upload a pic to with no hassle and I got you bruh!

just give up. go home. STOPxPLAYING. lol, sorry SxP, couldn't help myself!

OP wanted trolling - I have granted his wish. Guidance from our Lord has shown me the way to give unto others what they desire.

For the Empress and our Lord.

MLT Heavy Dropsuit 30 PG, 180 CPU

Ishukone AFG 15 PG, 102 CPU

You damn sure aren't running much more than that dude.

again... SERIOUSLY? u want me to CREATE a secure site? for u? to prove u got caught in BS, by me... lol... kk... post a video walkthrough on youtube, cuz ur freaking cheating, and I wanna do it too... LOLOLOLZZZZZZ!!!

MLT Heavy Dropsuit 30 PG, 180 CPU

Ishukone AFG 15 PG, 102 CPU

You damn sure aren't running much more than that dude.

Easy to kill?

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^^^
reiterating this point!

where is Maglives when you need him? anybody fought against him? anyone dropped him easily? how bout N'Rante? diddo... and THESE ARE the outliers, I admit... but these things aren't easy to take out... require just as much coordination and teamwork to kill as your TANKS... they ARE tanks... with PRO HandHeld RAILGUNS (Ishka AFG), AND GEK equivalents(Ishka ASM)... and 1100-1200HP...

TANKERS HAVE 1 or THE OTHER

If you have trouble taking down a Heavy dude you just suck at this game. I play as a Heavy with all core skills at 5 Comp. Plates, Comp Damage Mods, Pro 5 HMGs, Pro 3 FGs , just started speccing into a Logi about a month ago. I know exactly how easy it is to take down a Heavy.

It is much much much much easier to take down a Heavy than it is to take down a HAV.

What you aren't thinking about is the fact that there are literally only FOUR weapons in this entire game that are not capable of killing a Heavy. These being AV grenades, Flux grenads, Proximity Mines, and Swarm Launchers. Every other weapon has the potential to kill a Heavy.
So, lets list the weapons capable of killing a Heavy Lets see...

Assault Rifle
Scrambler Rifle
Sniper Rifle
Shotgun
Mass Driver
Plasma Cannon
HMG
Forge Gun
Scrambler Pistol
Flaylock Pistol
SMG
Remote Explosives
Nova Knife
Locus Grenades

Take into account the different variants of these and there is A LOT of weapons on the field which can kill a Heavy, which are by and far much more prevalent on the battlefield than AV weapons. Indeed 100% of players on the battlefield are carrying at least 1 weapon which is capable of killing a Heavy at any given point in a match.

Lets see what can effectively destroy a HAV

AV Grenades
Swarm Launchers
Forge Guns
Proximity Mines

These maybe account for 10% of all weapons fielded in battle at any given time

Now take into account that your HAV has thousands more HP than a Heavy Dropsuit, with more speed. Your rail turrets have a zoom ability where a Forge Gun does not, a higher RoF, No reload time, No charge time.

So tell me which is better?

What you aren't thinking about is the fact that there are literally only FOUR weapons in this entire game that are not capable of killing a Heavy. These being AV grenades, Flux grenads, Proximity Mines, and Swarm Launchers. Every other weapon has the potential to kill a Heavy.
So, lets list the weapons capable of killing a Heavy Lets see...

Assault Rifle
Scrambler Rifle
Sniper Rifle
Shotgun
Mass Driver
Plasma Cannon
HMG
Forge Gun
Scrambler Pistol
Flaylock Pistol
SMG
Remote Explosives
Nova Knife
Locus Grenades

Take into account the different variants of these and there is A LOT of weapons on the field which can kill a Heavy, which are by and far much more prevalent on the battlefield than AV weapons. Indeed 100% of players on the battlefield are carrying at least 1 weapon which is capable of killing a Heavy at any given point in a match.

Lets see what can effectively destroy a HAV

AV Grenades
Swarm Launchers
Forge Guns
Proximity Mines

These maybe account for 10% of all weapons fielded in battle at any given time

Now take into account that your HAV has thousands more HP than a Heavy Dropsuit, with more speed. Your rail turrets have a zoom ability where a Forge Gun does not, a higher RoF, No reload time, No charge time.

So tell me which is better?

+1
You make a very good point. I've always been on the vehicle side of this argument until you laid it out like this.

-Chimi out, o7

in (ENGLISH) our word order is different than every other language... and it was NEVER spoken that way. not even at its origin... my typing may suck, but as a linguist... I assure u, ur English just plain sucks... lol

Damage output equal? Lol no

Assault forge guns do incredible amounts of damage per shot. The Wiyrkomi breach could one-shot a lot of shield tanks with proficiency 5 and 2 damage mods. I did that to a Kalaakiota HAV during Chromosome with the DCMA.

Also, we don't have PRO tanks.

You make it sound like a Thale's is god mode against heavy suits.

Also remember that AV weapons require special tactics or infantry positioning to be effective against an HAV.

1 head shot = dead heavy. KB/M it and you'll enjoy watching us tear up.

Are you or your elders from Yorkshire?

Easy to kill?

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snip

skilled PRO Tank is dead before he/she ever finds FGer...

lol... im a logi btw... not QQing

See my post right below yours, #75. There's no valid argument that tanking is easy.

If you're running a Prototype weapon on a MLT Dropsuit, you probably aren't running anything else.

This is a lie. I see proto FG and proto swarms on militia suits all time. Sure they are easy to kill, but you have to get to them first. Most times they are in very inaccessible places. Vehicles don't get the same luxury unfortunately.

I guess nobody ever listened to older family speaking.

Heavy has greater mobility and a smaller signature, plus is cheaper, is more effective vs infantry with a height advantage, and the forge deals more damage than any large tank turret. Do contact grenades go after targets now, or was that nerfed? Because last I remember, swarms and AV grenades having a homing ability, and they're absolutely devastating against armor.

If I wanted it easy, I'd still into the FOTM. Since I like things more difficult, I tank.

If you think that, you're doing it wrong.

950k Forgegun

long time no see SoTa PoP...
full PRO FG FIT: 95K ISK
full PRO tank: 1.5mil ISK
dmg output EQUAL
regardless of HP difference PRO HVY FG fit is twice as difficult to kill
... LLAVs are another story tho...
but we aren't talking about them...
skilled PRO FGer kills Skilled PRO Tank in under 15 seconds
skilled PRO Tank is dead before he/she ever finds FGer...

lol... im a logi btw... not QQing

If they buff fire rate, add zoom, and give us unlimited ammo sure.

I have a better proposition.
They buff the price of the ARs to the prices of large blaster turrets of according DPS.
You in?

only if they can damage installations and vehicles equally... you in?

i would like it if the average fully specced tank cost = to the average fully specced suit
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so yeah your turrets should be 43-80k isk for tanks

I don't insert a 'u' into some words. What makes you think I'm from the UK?

If you think that, you're doing it wrong.

"a PRO turret does not a PRO tank make"

+1 to this
gotchya... ur English sucks tho... I forgive u... the ONLY mods for vehicles are ADV... we know this... thanks for your idiocy in specifying that 1... il be handing out PHD's tomorrow after work... meet me on the field, and il show u ur incompetence.

PS!!! OMG... ive had to edit this like 6 times! lolz

It requires any troll to duck in and out of cover, av is the easiest. 1 swarm volley, 3 av nades and a swarm as they run away ruins most tanks.

Seriously, av is fking easy and barbaric, if you find it a challenge your backwards lol.

1000EHP =/= 6000+ EHP

+1

(i still think proto turrets should be cheaper thou...)

Only if they disable overheating on the SCR, you in?

only if they remove AV from skirmish and make things render, again.

Sota We all know you suck. And even playing with Cubs can not save you. :)

You make it sound like a Thale's is god mode against heavy suits.

My apologies since there is no polite way to say this CaoticFox. If you can't handle a solo iFG then you're a bad Tanker. I've fought the real deal and in the right hands a Standard Tank can survive if not win against a Pro FGer.

Or there are those of us that get it str8 away then have to scratch our heads working out why it looks wrong

'A PRO turret doth not a PRO tank make'

Its not older just family speaking it comes from this ole dude called Aristotle by the way

If they buff fire rate, add zoom, and give us unlimited ammo sure.

skilled tank driver has support which kills the FG while he sits behind cover in safe...

your point is null and void and you have no credibility, deal with it.

AR are NOT OP... every OTHER weapon is just UP!!!

Quit trying to nerf the forgegun please. The HMG has already filled up my garbagecan.

Yes, ^ the Forge Gun is just too fun to nerf. It is now my secondary role :D Logiing isn't good enough sometimes :D

Actually, the modules we have do not exceed meta level 3, making them basic.

Well...there isn't an infantry weapon that homes in on the target, is invincible, and does over 1500 damage unmodded and unskilled.

I want cheaper turrets. A bad-ass gunlogi in Chrome costed 800k, a bad-ass gunlogi in Uprising costs 1.4m.

Then why are you complaining about Forge Guns?

Then why are you complaining about Forge Guns?

+1


I will give up my heavy AV setup ie: forge gun, IF you take the assault rifle away from the logistics class and limit availability only to the assault class, after all it is an assault rifle

lol... right... he is a medic, he doesn't need to be able to defend himself (all "him" also double as "Her")