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CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:09:00 -
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what if that forge gun that does 2100dmg, cost JUST AS MUCH as that Rail turret that does 2100dmg? 93k ISK turrets? -or- 950k ISK FG! |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:12:00 -
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really? no takers? no trolls? no "lolz"? no "stfu's"? no comments at all, huh? |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:21:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Proto turrets means a well fitted vehicles - which can be hard to kill A proto FG is on a proto heavy - which is easy as hell to kill So you tell me - is it fair? long time no see SoTa PoP... full PRO FG FIT: 95K ISK full PRO tank: 1.5mil ISK dmg output EQUAL regardless of HP difference PRO HVY FG fit is twice as difficult to kill ... LLAVs are another story tho... but we aren't talking about them... skilled PRO FGer kills Skilled PRO Tank in under 15 seconds skilled PRO Tank is dead before he/she ever finds FGer...
lol... im a logi btw... not QQing |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:23:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I also feel the AR is pretty OP
AR are NOT OP... every OTHER weapon is just UP!!! |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:27:00 -
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now now... lets us all troll nicely... TP is no more... AE beat them to death, caused a chapter 13, refilled under a new name, under attack again... the group will never thrive again, thanx to our buds at AE! |
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:28:00 -
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Caeli SineDeo wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Caeli SineDeo wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Proto turrets means a well fitted vehicles - which can be hard to kill A proto FG is on a proto heavy - which is easy as hell to kill So you tell me - is it fair? Sota We all know you suck. And even playing with Cubs can not save you. :) Skill does not affect a players opinion value.
-1 Bahaha I knew this troll can not smell a troll. Sota he has came to your defense and gave me a negative 1 what shell I ever do. I guess your opinion value is important sota even if you are so ****** that TP was the only guys willing to take you. Is he bolding his words to try to make a points?
Imperfects still exist? |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 02:30:00 -
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to SoTa... is ur name from the original 4 bit NES "Mike Tyson's Punch Out"? |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:11:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:CaoticFox wrote:what if that forge gun that does 2100dmg, cost JUST AS MUCH as that Rail turret that does 2100dmg? 93k ISK turrets? -or- 950k ISK FG! The Ishukone used to cost 117,000 ISK. Now it costs peanuts. You'll never get infantry to agree that AV weapons should cost more. Tanks should cost less. You guys don't even get proto :( That doesn't fix the imbalance of AV against tanks. +1 to this and to the comment above... fair enough (no PRO Tanks)... but I was actually referring to PRO turrets... remember... OP is referring to cost comparison between PRO Rail Turret v/s PRO FG fit (regarding dmg output, deadliness in any hands, and difficulty to kill) |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:16:00 -
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"a PRO turret does not a PRO tank make"
+1 to this and to the comment above... fair enough (no PRO Tanks)... but I was actually referring to PRO turrets... remember... OP is referring to cost comparison between PRO Rail Turret v/s PRO FG fit (regarding dmg output, deadliness in any hands, and difficulty to kill)[/quote] A PRO turret does not a PRO tank make.[/quote] gotchya... ur English sucks tho... I forgive u... the OMLY mods for vehicles are ADV... we know this... thanks for your idiocy in specifying that 1... il be handing oud PHD's tomorrow after work... meet me on the field, and il show u ur incompetence. |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:19:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:CaoticFox wrote:what if that forge gun that does 2100dmg, cost JUST AS MUCH as that Rail turret that does 2100dmg? 93k ISK turrets? -or- 950k ISK FG! The Ishukone used to cost 117,000 ISK. Now it costs peanuts. You'll never get infantry to agree that AV weapons should cost more. I could live with a PRice increase in FG's and Swarms if their effectivness stays the same. I agree Proto Tank turrets are too damn expensive and need at LEAST a -+ price reduction....
maybe 35%-40% |
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CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 03:20:00 -
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tho my tanker character would LOVE a 100k ISK PRO turret (like the FGs) lol... but NO... that would be bad! lolz! |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:07:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote: A PRO turret does not a PRO tank make.
Spkr4theDead wrote: LOL! My English sucks??? LOL!
I guess nobody ever listened to older family speaking. in (ENGLISH) our word order is different than every other language... and it was NEVER spoken that way. not even at its origin... my typing may suck, but as a linguist... I assure u, ur English just plain sucks... lol |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:11:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:CaoticFox wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Proto turrets means a well fitted vehicles - which can be hard to kill A proto FG is on a proto heavy - which is easy as hell to kill So you tell me - is it fair? long time no see SoTa PoP... full PRO FG FIT: 95K ISK full PRO tank: 1.5mil ISK dmg output EQUAL regardless of HP difference PRO HVY FG fit is twice as difficult to kill ... LLAVs are another story tho... but we aren't talking about them... skilled PRO FGer kills Skilled PRO Tank in under 15 seconds skilled PRO Tank is dead before he/she ever finds FGer... lol... im a logi btw... not QQing What you aren't thinking about is the fact that there are literally only FOUR weapons in this entire game that are not capable of killing a Heavy. These being AV grenades, Flux grenads, Proximity Mines, and Swarm Launchers. Every other weapon has the potential to kill a Heavy. So, lets list the weapons capable of killing a Heavy Lets see... Assault Rifle Scrambler Rifle Sniper Rifle Shotgun Mass Driver Plasma Cannon HMG Forge Gun Scrambler Pistol Flaylock Pistol SMG Remote Explosives Nova Knife Locus Grenades Take into account the different variants of these and there is A LOT of weapons on the field which can kill a Heavy, which are by and far much more prevalent on the battlefield than AV weapons. Indeed 100% of players on the battlefield are carrying at least 1 weapon which is capable of killing a Heavy at any given point in a match. Lets see what can effectively destroy a HAV AV Grenades Swarm Launchers Forge Guns Proximity Mines These maybe account for 10% of all weapons fielded in battle at any given time Now take into account that your HAV has thousands more HP than a Heavy Dropsuit, with more speed. Your rail turrets have a zoom ability where a Forge Gun does not, a higher RoF, No reload time, No charge time. So tell me which is better?
wait... u forgot REs... but that aside... have u EVER tanked? Rail ZOOM? seriously? SERIOUSLY? |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:14:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Also remember that AV weapons require special tactics or infantry positioning to be effective against an HAV.
To kill a Heavy just strafe, point, shoot or hit him with explosives.
I take down Proto Heavies with Rep tool locked on them with only a Gek AR, with AR Op 2, AR SS 3 No Damage Mods. It's so easy it's pathetic. LIAR! BS! PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING... AR op lvl 2? GEK is unlocked at AR op lvl 3... buh-bye! |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:18:00 -
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fo this is Englifh? feuen? fovr? fix? Robert Lovif Steuenf? anyone else following? nice try... I learned this to translate the original text of the Bible IN ENGLISH, then learned Greek & Hebrew, to verify that translation... what have U done in you life? attended grammar school? lol |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:23:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:CaoticFox wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Also remember that AV weapons require special tactics or infantry positioning to be effective against an HAV.
To kill a Heavy just strafe, point, shoot or hit him with explosives.
I take down Proto Heavies with Rep tool locked on them with only a Gek AR, with AR Op 2, AR SS 3 No Damage Mods. It's so easy it's pathetic. LIAR! BS! PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING... AR op lvl 2? GEK is unlocked at AR op lvl 3... buh-bye! Oh well excuse me then AR Op 3 I'll correct that post, but it happened regardless. AR SS is unlocked when??? |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:26:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Proto turrets means a well fitted vehicles - which can be hard to kill A proto FG is on a proto heavy - which is easy as hell to kill So you tell me - is it fair? This is a lie. I see proto FG and proto swarms on militia suits all time. Sure they are easy to kill, but you have to get to them first. Most times they are in very inaccessible places. Vehicles don't get the same luxury unfortunately. If you're running a Prototype weapon on a MLT Dropsuit, you probably aren't running anything else. just give up. go home. STOPxPLAYING. lol, sorry SxP, couldn't help myself! |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:27:00 -
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"I don't know dude Op level 2? Would you like me to take a picture of my skill tree and fitting for you?Roll" yes, yes... please post link here |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:33:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:CaoticFox wrote:"I don't know dude Op level 2? Would you like me to take a picture of my skill tree and fitting for you?Roll" yes, yes... please post link here lol gtfo dude ffs! you know what fine I will, just tell me a site I can upload a pic to with no hassle and I got you bruh!
again... SERIOUSLY? u want me to CREATE a secure site? for u? to prove u got caught in BS, by me... lol... kk... post a video walkthrough on youtube, cuz ur freaking cheating, and I wanna do it too... LOLOLOLZZZZZZ!!! |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:34:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:OP wanted trolling - I have granted his wish. Guidance from our Lord has shown me the way to give unto others what they desire. For the Empress and our Lord.
keep it coming! get all TP here... I mean... ??PD... |
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CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:38:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:CaoticFox wrote:Master Jaraiya wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Proto turrets means a well fitted vehicles - which can be hard to kill A proto FG is on a proto heavy - which is easy as hell to kill So you tell me - is it fair? This is a lie. I see proto FG and proto swarms on militia suits all time. Sure they are easy to kill, but you have to get to them first. Most times they are in very inaccessible places. Vehicles don't get the same luxury unfortunately. If you're running a Prototype weapon on a MLT Dropsuit, you probably aren't running anything else. just give up. go home. STOPxPLAYING. lol, sorry SxP, couldn't help myself! MLT Heavy Dropsuit 30 PG, 180 CPU Ishukone AFG 15 PG, 102 CPU You damn sure aren't running much more than that dude.
1 toxin SM... 1 MHD mod BPO... 1 MLG BPO... 1 MAR BPO... will fit... CORE upgrades LVL 5, ELEC LVL 5, ENG LVL 5, Heavy Weapons OP LVL 5, FG optimum fit LVL 5 |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:40:00 -
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we invest in PRO more for the PASSIVE skills than anything... well... SOME of us... |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:43:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Proto turrets means a well fitted vehicles - which can be hard to kill A proto FG is on a proto heavy - which is easy as hell to kill So you tell me - is it fair? Easy to kill? lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololo ^^^ reiterating this point! |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 04:49:00 -
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where is Maglives when you need him? anybody fought against him? anyone dropped him easily? how bout N'Rante? diddo... and THESE ARE the outliers, I admit... but these things aren't easy to take out... require just as much coordination and teamwork to kill as your TANKS... they ARE tanks... with PRO HandHeld RAILGUNS (Ishka AFG), AND GEK equivalents(Ishka ASM)... and 1100-1200HP...
TANKERS HAVE 1 or THE OTHER |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 05:02:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:CaoticFox wrote:where is Maglives when you need him? anybody fought against him? anyone dropped him easily? how bout N'Rante? diddo... and THESE ARE the outliers, I admit... but these things aren't easy to take out... require just as much coordination and teamwork to kill as your TANKS... they ARE tanks... with PRO HandHeld RAILGUNS (Ishka AFG), AND GEK equivalents(Ishka ASM)... and 1100-1200HP...
TANKERS HAVE 1 or THE OTHER If you have trouble taking down a Heavy dude you just suck at this game. I play as a Heavy with all core skills at 5 Comp. Plates, Comp Damage Mods, Pro 5 HMGs, Pro 3 FGs , just started speccing into a Logi about a month ago. I know exactly how easy it is to take down a Heavy. It is much much much much easier to take down a Heavy than it is to take down a HAV. and il counter with... HAVs are EASY to take out single handed... they are broke... hence the future actions by CCP, reverting back to BASE unit... with a bit of cleverness, I kill tanks in less time than it takes them to activate their hardeners or reps... ask the Vayu I killed today... in an ADV suit 1 Caldari Basic ADV CBR 7 Packed AV nades (not ex-11) REs (not F-45)
pretty cheap, AND quick kill! lol |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.22 05:03:00 -
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AND IM A LOGI! |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 01:12:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:CaoticFox wrote:snip
skilled PRO Tank is dead before he/she ever finds FGer...
lol... im a logi btw... not QQing My apologies since there is no polite way to say this CaoticFox. If you can't handle a solo iFG then you're a bad Tanker. I've fought the real deal and in the right hands a Standard Tank can survive if not win against a Pro FGer. my tanker character has no problems with FGers, nor Swarmers... this is a TROLL PLEASE post... lol... so... TROLL AWAY! it doesn't even HAVE TO BE TRUE or MAKE SENSE... but my VEHICLE CHARACTER is DropShip Command, I only tank to pay for my Ships... |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.24 01:15:00 -
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Mirataf wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote: A PRO turret does not a PRO tank make.
Spkr4theDead wrote: LOL! My English sucks??? LOL!
I guess nobody ever listened to older family speaking. Or there are those of us that get it str8 away then have to scratch our heads working out why it looks wrong 'A PRO turret doth not a PRO tank make' Its not older just family speaking it comes from this ole dude called Aristotle by the way FINALLY... you are correct sir... not the rest of them... a smart one! o7 o\ |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 01:24:00 -
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Slag Emberforge wrote:Beeeees wrote:950k Forgegun If they buff fire rate, add zoom, and give us unlimited ammo sure. read ur future patch notes... large turrets are gonna have limited ammo with next vehicle update. |
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Posted - 2013.10.24 01:27:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:CaoticFox wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Proto turrets means a well fitted vehicles - which can be hard to kill A proto FG is on a proto heavy - which is easy as hell to kill So you tell me - is it fair? long time no see SoTa PoP... full PRO FG FIT: 95K ISK full PRO tank: 1.5mil ISK dmg output EQUAL regardless of HP difference PRO HVY FG fit is twice as difficult to kill ... LLAVs are another story tho... but we aren't talking about them... skilled PRO FGer kills Skilled PRO Tank in under 15 seconds skilled PRO Tank is dead before he/she ever finds FGer... lol... im a logi btw... not QQing skilled tank driver has support which kills the FG while he sits behind cover in safe... your point is null and void and you have no credibility, deal with it. we aren't talking about PCs. we are talking about everyday DUST 514... and for 90% of battles (public and FW)... a tanker is on his/her own... in your perfect world, I would agree... otherwise YOUR post is invalid. |
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CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.24 01:47:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:CaoticFox wrote:"a PRO turret does not a PRO tank make"
+1 to this gotchya... ur English sucks tho... I forgive u... the ONLY mods for vehicles are ADV... we know this... thanks for your idiocy in specifying that 1... il be handing out PHD's tomorrow after work... meet me on the field, and il show u ur incompetence.
PS!!! OMG... ive had to edit this like 6 times! lolz Actually, the modules we have do not exceed meta level 3, making them basic. ADV u dumass |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.24 01:50:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Proto turrets means a well fitted vehicles - which can be hard to kill A proto FG is on a proto heavy - which is easy as hell to kill So you tell me - is it fair? 1000EHP =/= 6000+ EHP+1 (i still think proto turrets should be cheaper thou...) Well...there isn't an infantry weapon that homes in on the target, is invincible, and does over 1500 damage unmodded and unskilled. I want cheaper turrets. A bad-ass gunlogi in Chrome costed 800k, a bad-ass gunlogi in Uprising costs 1.4m. ur making urself look stupid... BADASS GUNLOGIs don't exist! LOL |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.24 02:00:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:CaoticFox wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I also feel the AR is pretty OP AR are NOT OP... every OTHER weapon is just UP!!! Then why are you complaining about Forge Guns? read the OP: then state, because u r invalid sir |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.24 02:02:00 -
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BAMM HAVOC wrote:Patrick57 wrote:CaoticFox wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I also feel the AR is pretty OP AR are NOT OP... every OTHER weapon is just UP!!! Then why are you complaining about Forge Guns? +1 I will give up my heavy AV setup ie: forge gun, IF you take the assault rifle away from the logistics class and limit availability only to the assault class, after all it is an assault rifle lol... right... he is a medic, he doesn't need to be able to defend himself (all "him" also double as "Her") |
CaoticFox
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Posted - 2013.10.24 03:19:00 -
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I just say that because it would make my MOST USED FIT, (SEVER/EXHILE/3BPO EQ/2 BPO MLDM/2BPO MAP/MLG BPO) |
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