I keep seeing this come up again and again, people confused as to why DUST isn't jumping at the PS4. It is a better platform in every way conceivable, except for one. Player count.

Lets just look at some numbers. There are 80 million ps3 owners. If we say 100k play dust or are at least interested enough to have it installed that means that dust is attracting 0.125% of the total market.

If we use the numbers from the poster above me and assume that 5 million PS3 owners will trade in their PS3's for PS4's in the first year we could figure out how many players would even install a PS4 version of dust.

6250.

Even if you are generous and double the ps4 sales numbers, or double the interest they can get in dust you aren't going to have enough players to make it worth their while. Heck do both, and you only get a quarter of the current install base.

So what do you think is the better course of action. Spend 6 months converting to retain the 6k players who will migrate away, or spend 6 months improving the core game, adding features that will attract new players? They are doing the right thing for now.

Am I the only one not buying that line? They would have to be nuts. This hardware can't run the game competently at all and is a massively limiting factor. They would have to have like no pride whatsoever to keep developing on this thing well past the PS4 launch window.

So they are worried about player count then? Are they not aware that being on a console like the PS4 with fewer game choices nets you more players, not less? And being free to play is an even bigger attraction on that front?

I simply don't get the logic. Bad business decision. Bad development decision. Bad everything. It does not make sense.


The only other option is that this is a marketing bluff. But if it's a marketing bluff, why the hell would they make one as detrimental as that? Nobody wants to hear that garbage. Give me a version that can support a consistent frame rate on every map in every situation, that's what I want to hear. I am not stupid enough to believe I will ever see that on this hardware. Nobody else is either.

Some overly cautious nonsense going on right here.

I rather see a test server.

I rather see a test server.

I thought for once CCP got their heads screwed on straight and were planning DUST to be sort of a "HALO killer" if you will by making it the premier game for PS4 release.

Everything seemed primed for that until they released it as final in May. That was the death knell for this game.

Sad really.

If anything, I think the game is more limited by the engine than the hardware.

Am I the only one not buying that line? They would have to be nuts. This hardware can't run the game competently at all and is a massively limiting factor. They would have to have like no pride whatsoever to keep developing on this thing well past the PS4 launch window.

So they are worried about player count then? Are they not aware that being on a console like the PS4 with fewer game choices nets you more players, not less? And being free to play is an even bigger attraction on that front?

I simply don't get the logic. Bad business decision. Bad development decision. Bad everything. It does not make sense.


The only other option is that this is a marketing bluff. But if it's a marketing bluff, why the hell would they make one as detrimental as that? Nobody wants to hear that garbage. Give me a version that can support a consistent frame rate on every map in every situation, that's what I want to hear. I am not stupid enough to believe I will ever see that on this hardware. Nobody else is either.

Some overly cautious nonsense going on right here.

Right now the game isn;t good enough to be ported onto the PS4, maybe in a couple of years when it is more polished they will move it onto the PS4 but right now it's a waste of time as they will be moving the problems from 1 place to another and it is better to fix what they currently have before porting elsewhere

ps3 install base = 90 million
ps4 install base = 0

You realize that all of the assets and graphical effects are dumbed down specifically because its on PS3, right?

You realize that the physics engine suffers due to inconsistent frame rate resulting in wonky behavior with world objects on the client side, which results in errors on the server side, right?

You realize that every single concept they have for this game CANNOT BE DONE on the PS3, because these limitations forcefully limit the area of engagement and player count, right?

It will never be polished on this system. That's a fact.

As Atli said, there are 80 million PS3 owners. Even if the PS4 sells 5 million in its first year, there are still 75 million more gamers on PS3. CCP often say "we will go where our players are" so expect to wait for better PS4 sales before they ANNOUNCE anything. They have already said that they are constantly in talks about Sony about it so of somewhere the wheels are turning but thee majority focus is on PS3 for now.

ps3 install base = 90 million
ps4 install base = 0