Last time I put my thoughts down in a thread like this I got a 3 month ban lol

That link...?

The music isn't bad but I wanted to see an interview with Rouge.

That link...?

The music isn't bad but I wanted to see an interview with Rouge.

That link...?

The music isn't bad but I wanted to see an interview with Rouge.

Ultimately it comes down to whether or not the devs actually listen to what we tell them and allow it to effect their design choices.

We know they pretend to, but I still get that feeling that if the idea didn't come from them they just can't bring themselves to use it. And if an idea does come from them, and it gets shot down by the community, they will do everything in their power to push it out the door regardless.

cough vehicles, cough.

The community is "mad" at tank changes because they state in the blog, weaker base hulls, only good with modules on and they doubled the base HP of tanks and made modules weaker. I'd rather see them try CCPs idea first.

I could go into an in-depth analysis but my conclusion would be the same either way and I reckon the conclusion is all that sticks in a wall of text:

You guys can say Rouge is just spouting bullshit that smells like roses, but it's here, finally. Finally, after waiting for it through Fanfest (which presented so much information that a clear direction wasn't evident),THIS IS the direction DUST is taking, and I like it. Even if I didn't, I would respect it because instead of what I previously saw as aimless meandering, we have an EP who has a vision, and if you guys didn't notice I like visionaries. And whilst it's still kind of broad (he's addressing the f2p model, NPE, EVE-DUST connection, player-driven economy and more at the same time) it's something we can hold CCP to.

The question of where DUST is headed is answered, and whilst you guys may say you knew this was the answer all along, too bad because you're only saying it in hindsight now.

we just had another meeting with rouge just now and another penciled for next week, it was good and hopefully things will move on.

Its a fresh start, personally Im giving Dust another chance with my time, but I want to see more of the kind of gameplay and content that will enage me before I spend money again.

Right now, for me, Dust 514 is an entertaining hour out of my day.

Its one tiny, regulated, window into the eve universe. And thats fine. But I want it to be the "boots on the ground" simulator, like eve is the "guy in spaceship" simulator.

Forgive me, but there are few analogs: I want it to be more planetside and less halo 2 multiplayer.

Details?

(Is that allowed?)

im afraid not :P

The game is a little too complex at the beginning.

New players should have 50x of every militia weapon/module/equipment available, and more weapons need to have militia grade variants. Having at least 4 different suits with different roles (like back in the closed beta) is much better than 4 of the same suits with a different fitting. 7 is the idea number, each with different weapons, equipment, and modules than the last

Just talked to him.

Again, taking the CPM stance with this.

We'll see it when we believe it. Too many honeyed words from CCP in the past with undelivered promises, only actions can woo the community over now.

Edit : Meeting is NDA atm, but honestly I'm gonna poke about getting the entire thing released, as nothing discussed was particularily secret. Don't hold your breath though. We still haven't convinced CCP to release their iron chokehold on information. Maybe the new EP can help with that

The community is "mad" at tank changes because they state in the blog, weaker base hulls, only good with modules on and they doubled the base HP of tanks and made modules weaker. I'd rather see them try CCPs idea first.

I get what your saying, but isn't the point of the "fancy suits" being advertised supposed to be asperational.

I suppose the problem is, unlike ever were people see a fancy ship and think "omg thats awesome, how long to train for that 3 months, train train train". All the suits in dust look the same. Which I suppose is your point.

We'll see it when we believe it. t

Isn't it the other way around? :D

so far it looks like 20k ehp tanks are going to be back like we had in beta. I dont see how this is going to make tanks weaker when they are receiving more EHP

I get what your saying, but isn't the point of the "fancy suits" being advertised supposed to be asperational.

I suppose the problem is, unlike ever were people see a fancy ship and think "omg thats awesome, how long to train for that 3 months, train train train". All the suits in dust look the same. Which I suppose is your point.

I get what your saying, but isn't the point of the "fancy suits" being advertised supposed to be asperational.

I suppose the problem is, unlike ever were people see a fancy ship and think "omg thats awesome, how long to train for that 3 months, train train train". All the suits in dust look the same. Which I suppose is your point.

My point in that section was that you start out with 4 fittings of the same suit..when really players need to see more options in the beginning. I bet most new players don't even know you can buy different militia suits to try out the light or heavy suits without ever spending a single skill point.

Not only this, but equipment, vehicles, and even weapons are very limited when you first start out...and there's nothing in the tutorial besides "you can buy stuff in the marketplace" that shows the player all of the different things you can do in this game.

I can tell you right now I had no idea there were repair tools in this game until I was at least 6 months in...when really I should have been introduced to them the first day with a "medic" fitting that had one for me to try out...instead of throwing an injector on an assault suit and having me fumble around with it trying to heal players with it.

Not only that, but I never knew it was super easy to skill into different modules and weapons, or else I would have done that the first week and tried out things like the mass driver (another item I never knew about for a long time), or the HMG.

My point in that section was that you start out with 4 fittings of the same suit..when really players need to see more options in the beginning.

We are so getting another respec

Of course we are.

Not only are they making massive vehicle changes that will impact more than just the vehicle users, but they're also nerfing (some) AV weapons, which means people skilled into these will also be impacted and might want to skill out of them.

All in all, a full respec is simply the most fair and by far the easiest thing to do.

But that's not the point, the pointis the goal was to make unfitted tanks WEAK

So if you fit out your tank with speed mods and weapon buffs, your fast deal TONS of damage but you have an extremely thin tank.

But they buffed the HP meaning even without armor/shield mods you have a ton of eHP. The eHP in the end can stay the same with modules equiped, but BASE HULLS should have less hp and modules should have a greater effect on performance. To be fair this is how Eve online does it. We need CCP to follow it's own plan.

No shield/armor mods, weak tanks, end of story that's how CCP pitched it and I liked it.

I get what your saying, but isn't the point of the "fancy suits" being advertised supposed to be asperational.

I suppose the problem is, unlike ever were people see a fancy ship and think "omg thats awesome, how long to train for that 3 months, train train train". All the suits in dust look the same. Which I suppose is your point.

Militia variants for every weapon/suit/equipment/grenade type and vehicles is important to the NPE.

We want players to be able to 'get lost' in playstyles/roles/fitting when they first encounter the game. Provide new players a way, free of repercussions(like a stats-free post academy grace period), to experiment freely and where player fun is the only metric applied and there are no real consequences for failure.

One candidate for a valuable and immersive way to approach this using CCP's current objective-based new player training approach would be an optional 'Know Thine Enemy' tutorial section that gave players a heads up on the strengths/weaknesses of each race's suit and weaponry, employing a brief voiceover/text/visual component that complements in-match mission objectives. This is a good teaching method but the real strength of this is that it would be an immersive, subtle and seamless way to begin seducing visitors into more intimate relations with New Eden and her lore.

A couple of thing to keep in mind when introducing lore to new players: Dust is overwhelming even without the lore. Eve is overwhelming. The concept of New Eden - emergent social universe, real market, emergent gameplay, player-defined goals, etc. is also overwhelming. When we pile lore on top of this, well now, that's just crazy-talk.

When presenting lore to a new merc there is a touchstone that can guide us: every piece of lore thrown at newbros must relate to what comes out of the business end of their weapons. Or the enemy's weapons. Or the value and weakness of Caldari shield technology or the proper situations in which Ammarian laser tech can be appied with maximum force, etc.

In the beginning....lore can never be arbitrary, it must always be contextual and have real-world application.

Heres the interview

What he basically said:

- Focus on Core gamplay. With some hyperbole about making the first few "few days" being "More viseral" (whatever that means, honestly Im not sure).

- Says the game is a little too complex at the beginning.

- Wants to strengthen the emotional connection with the player, suggests strengthening the link with eves 10 year lore (sounds good actually).

- Confirms that there should be a much stronger almost complete connection with Eves economy "resource flow between the two games". (Hopefully this means having all the economic stuff eve has, including crafting).

- Not going to change the F2P model and wants it out the way from the gameplay.

- Hes also plans to 'experiment' by listening to the community (Umm, weren't the supposed to be doing that already? Maybe hes just means, hes going to listen, unlike his predecessor )


Thoughts?

Just talked to him.

Again, taking the CPM stance with this.

We'll see it when we believe it. Too many honeyed words from CCP in the past with undelivered promises, only actions can woo the community over now.

Edit : Meeting is NDA atm, but honestly I'm gonna poke about getting the entire thing released, as nothing discussed was particularily secret. Don't hold your breath though. We still haven't convinced CCP to release their iron chokehold on information. Maybe the new EP can help with that

The current stance that the CPM is taking is the correct one. Like you say we've heard too many platitudes and not enough action in terms of the infomation flow regarding whats coming up. And its entirely up to CCP to fix that. I've already posted my support in the Council Chamber. CCP Sabrewing is saying to me via twitter that some more details of the recent converstaions with the CPM is hopefully due soon, most likely during EveVegas which is where he is now.

I'm generally feeling a lot more postive with the direction that the game is going and CCP Rouge seems fully aware of the problems we've had in the past. I just hope that they stop being so bloody minded about the flow of the infomation. The NDA while necessary, is also putting too much of a stranglehold on what the CPM can report WHEN CCP deign to speak to them.

Stop being so bloody secretive Shanghai! Its not like we don't know whats supposed to be coming out.. We'd just like a clearer idea of when to expect it.