DUST Search - Interview with CCP Rouge on Polygon.

iceyburnz wrote:

Vyzion Eyri wrote:

I could go into an in-depth analysis but my conclusion would be the same either way and I reckon the conclusion is all that sticks in a wall of text:

You guys can say Rouge is just spouting bullshit that smells like roses, but it's here, finally. Finally, after waiting for it through Fanfest (which presented so much information that a clear direction wasn't evident),THIS IS the direction DUST is taking, and I like it. Even if I didn't, I would respect it because instead of what I previously saw as aimless meandering, we have an EP who has a vision, and if you guys didn't notice I like visionaries. And whilst it's still kind of broad (he's addressing the f2p model, NPE, EVE-DUST connection, player-driven economy and more at the same time) it's something we can hold CCP to.

The question of where DUST is headed is answered, and whilst you guys may say you knew this was the answer all along, too bad because you're only saying it in hindsight now.

Its a fresh start, personally Im giving Dust another chance with my time, but I want to see more of the kind of gameplay and content that will enage me before I spend money again.

Right now, for me, Dust 514 is an entertaining hour out of my day.

Its one tiny, regulated, window into the eve universe. And thats fine. But I want it to be the "boots on the ground" simulator, like eve is the "guy in spaceship" simulator.

Forgive me, but there are few analogs: I want it to be more planetside and less halo 2 multiplayer.

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iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1153	Posted - 2013.10.18 07:48:00 - [1] - Quote Heres the interview. What he basically said: - Focus on Core gamplay. With some hyperbole about making the first few "few days" being "More viseral" (whatever that means, honestly Im not sure). - Says the game is a little too complex at the beginning. - Wants to strengthen the emotional connection with the play, suggests strengthening the link with eves 10 year lore (sounds good actually). - Confirms that there should be a much stranger almost complete connection with Eves economy "resource flow between the two games". (Hopefully this means having all the economic stuff eve has, including crafting). - Not going to change the F2P model and wants it out the way from the gameplay. - Hes also plans to 'experiment' by listening to the community (Umm, weren't the supposed to be doing that already? Maybe hes just means, hes going to listen, unlike his predecessor ) Thoughts?
SoTa PoP MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 3873	Posted - 2013.10.18 07:50:00 - [2] - Quote Last time I put my thoughts down in a thread like this I got a 3 month ban lol
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1900	Posted - 2013.10.18 07:56:00 - [3] - Quote Ultimately it comes down to whether or not the devs actually listen to what we tell them and allow it to effect their design choices. We know they pretend to, but I still get that feeling that if the idea didn't come from them they just can't bring themselves to use it. And if an idea does come from them, and it gets shot down by the community, they will do everything in their power to push it out the door regardless. cough vehicles, cough.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1153	Posted - 2013.10.18 07:57:00 - [4] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Last time I put my thoughts down in a thread like this I got a 3 month ban lol I think adopted a wait and see approach would be best. Considering the lack of information from CCP, he could be following the existing roadmap. We don't know.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1494	Posted - 2013.10.18 07:58:00 - [5] - Quote That link...?
Lorhak Gannarsein Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 454	Posted - 2013.10.18 07:59:00 - [6] - Quote So basically he rephrased things that they've been saying for a while? This is an unhelpful interview. Also, less complex =/= more visceral.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1154	Posted - 2013.10.18 07:59:00 - [7] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: That link...? The music isn't bad but I wanted to see an interview with Rouge. Oops
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1154	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:00:00 - [8] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: That link...? The music isn't bad but I wanted to see an interview with Rouge. Fixed. facepalm
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1900	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:01:00 - [9] - Quote Part of being a producer is being able to say a lot of things that mean absolutely nothing, but sound important. Producers put people where they need to be, but are so entirely uninvolved with the workings of the game itself that they HAVE to be able to BS their way through every conversation they have. Whether or not he's effective behind the scenes is another story.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 625	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:02:00 - [10] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: That link...? The music isn't bad but I wanted to see an interview with Rouge. Yeah, music... here is the lyric: http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/17/4849166/dust-514s-new-producer-on-why-you-dont-stop-movies-or-games-to

Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 135	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:07:00 - [11] - Quote We are only good at pointing out problems. We suck in the solutions department. They have paid people for that.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1847	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:09:00 - [12] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Ultimately it comes down to whether or not the devs actually listen to what we tell them and allow it to effect their design choices. We know they pretend to, but I still get that feeling that if the idea didn't come from them they just can't bring themselves to use it. And if an idea does come from them, and it gets shot down by the community, they will do everything in their power to push it out the door regardless. cough vehicles, cough. The community is "mad" at tank changes because they state in the blog, weaker base hulls, only good with modules on and they doubled the base HP of tanks and made modules weaker. I'd rather see them try CCPs idea first.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1154	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:11:00 - [13] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Ultimately it comes down to whether or not the devs actually listen to what we tell them and allow it to effect their design choices. We know they pretend to, but I still get that feeling that if the idea didn't come from them they just can't bring themselves to use it. And if an idea does come from them, and it gets shot down by the community, they will do everything in their power to push it out the door regardless. cough vehicles, cough. The community is "mad" at tank changes because they state in the blog, weaker base hulls, only good with modules on and they doubled the base HP of tanks and made modules weaker. I'd rather see them try CCPs idea first. Agreed.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1495	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:15:00 - [14] - Quote I could go into an in-depth analysis but my conclusion would be the same either way and I reckon the conclusion is all that sticks in a wall of text: You guys can say Rouge is just spouting bullshit that smells like roses, but it's here, finally. Finally, after waiting for it through Fanfest (which presented so much information that a clear direction wasn't evident),THIS IS the direction DUST is taking, and I like it. Even if I didn't, I would respect it because instead of what I previously saw as aimless meandering, we have an EP who has a vision, and if you guys didn't notice I like visionaries. And whilst it's still kind of broad (he's addressing the f2p model, NPE, EVE-DUST connection, player-driven economy and more at the same time) it's something we can hold CCP to. The question of where DUST is headed is answered, and whilst you guys may say you knew this was the answer all along, too bad because you're only saying it in hindsight now.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 1910	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:18:00 - [15] - Quote we just had another meeting with rouge just now and another penciled for next week, it was good and hopefully things will move on.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1154	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:20:00 - [16] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: I could go into an in-depth analysis but my conclusion would be the same either way and I reckon the conclusion is all that sticks in a wall of text: You guys can say Rouge is just spouting bullshit that smells like roses, but it's here, finally. Finally, after waiting for it through Fanfest (which presented so much information that a clear direction wasn't evident),THIS IS the direction DUST is taking, and I like it. Even if I didn't, I would respect it because instead of what I previously saw as aimless meandering, we have an EP who has a vision, and if you guys didn't notice I like visionaries. And whilst it's still kind of broad (he's addressing the f2p model, NPE, EVE-DUST connection, player-driven economy and more at the same time) it's something we can hold CCP to. The question of where DUST is headed is answered, and whilst you guys may say you knew this was the answer all along, too bad because you're only saying it in hindsight now. Its a fresh start, personally Im giving Dust another chance with my time, but I want to see more of the kind of gameplay and content that will enage me before I spend money again. Right now, for me, Dust 514 is an entertaining hour out of my day. Its one tiny, regulated, window into the eve universe. And thats fine. But I want it to be the "boots on the ground" simulator, like eve is the "guy in spaceship" simulator. Forgive me, but there are few analogs: I want it to be more planetside and less halo 2 multiplayer.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1154	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:21:00 - [17] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: we just had another meeting with rouge just now and another penciled for next week, it was good and hopefully things will move on. Details? (Is that allowed?)
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1974	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:21:00 - [18] - Quote Just talked to him. Again, taking the CPM stance with this. We'll see it when we believe it. Too many honeyed words from CCP in the past with undelivered promises, only actions can woo the community over now. Edit : Meeting is NDA atm, but honestly I'm gonna poke about getting the entire thing released, as nothing discussed was particularily secret. Don't hold your breath though. We still haven't convinced CCP to release their iron chokehold on information. Maybe the new EP can help with that
jenza aranda BetaMax. 1911	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:23:00 - [19] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: I could go into an in-depth analysis but my conclusion would be the same either way and I reckon the conclusion is all that sticks in a wall of text: You guys can say Rouge is just spouting bullshit that smells like roses, but it's here, finally. Finally, after waiting for it through Fanfest (which presented so much information that a clear direction wasn't evident),THIS IS the direction DUST is taking, and I like it. Even if I didn't, I would respect it because instead of what I previously saw as aimless meandering, we have an EP who has a vision, and if you guys didn't notice I like visionaries. And whilst it's still kind of broad (he's addressing the f2p model, NPE, EVE-DUST connection, player-driven economy and more at the same time) it's something we can hold CCP to. The question of where DUST is headed is answered, and whilst you guys may say you knew this was the answer all along, too bad because you're only saying it in hindsight now. Its a fresh start, personally Im giving Dust another chance with my time, but I want to see more of the kind of gameplay and content that will enage me before I spend money again. Right now, for me, Dust 514 is an entertaining hour out of my day. Its one tiny, regulated, window into the eve universe. And thats fine. But I want it to be the "boots on the ground" simulator, like eve is the "guy in spaceship" simulator. Forgive me, but there are few analogs: I want it to be more planetside and less halo 2 multiplayer. you and i really have similar opinions on this matter and with a new EP things seem like it may go that way, maybe. We have had a lot of promises in the past with only a few coming true so while he is talking a lot of good stuff, we will have to wait on if they are really only just words.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 1911	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:24:00 - [20] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: jenza aranda wrote: we just had another meeting with rouge just now and another penciled for next week, it was good and hopefully things will move on. Details? (Is that allowed?) im afraid not :P

iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:30:00 - [21] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: iceyburnz wrote: jenza aranda wrote: we just had another meeting with rouge just now and another penciled for next week, it was good and hopefully things will move on. Details? (Is that allowed?) im afraid not :P Damn. Hungry. For. Information.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 1100	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:34:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Rouge wrote: The game is a little too complex at the beginning. I made a long post on facebook about the new player experience recently, let me go find it really quick... ___________________________________ A better strategy would be to keep the interested players interested instead of trying to get new players back. You might have changed the tutorials, but the starting suits are still the same boring 4 suits. What draws players away from this game? -Starter fits don't show any of the complexity or options you have later down the line. New players don't know about how many different weapons there are, or the diversity of the suits. -The market and skills areas are confusing and have to be figured out on their own. This would be fixed with prefitted militia suits that can be bought with isk, not AUR. -No way for players to experiment in other things without spending days using the same gear. Basic skill paths could be outlined with goals in mind to give players the incentive of coming back the next day to keep playing towards that goal (a certain dropsuit fitting is chosen from a list of fits, shows how much the fitting costs in skill points with how much they still need to use that fitting) New players should have 50x of every militia weapon/module/equipment available, and more weapons need to have militia grade variants. Having at least 4 different suits with different roles (like back in the closed beta) is much better than 4 of the same suits with a different fitting. 7 is the idea number, each with different weapons, equipment, and modules than the last ____________________________________________ I feel this would be a great way to keep new players in the game, instead of trying to promote free dropsuits for old players that haven't played for 2 months. I know this might be a little off topic, but I figured that this might be the place to put it if it's going to get some attention.
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation Ascension Alliance 617	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:38:00 - [23] - Quote change asap.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1156	Posted - 2013.10.18 08:39:00 - [24] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: New players should have 50x of every militia weapon/module/equipment available, and more weapons need to have militia grade variants. Having at least 4 different suits with different roles (like back in the closed beta) is much better than 4 of the same suits with a different fitting. 7 is the idea number, each with different weapons, equipment, and modules than the last I get what your saying, but isn't the point of the "fancy suits" being advertised supposed to be asperational. I suppose the problem is, unlike ever were people see a fancy ship and think "omg thats awesome, how long to train for that 3 months, train train train". All the suits in dust look the same. Which I suppose is your point.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 584	Posted - 2013.10.18 09:01:00 - [25] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: Just talked to him. Again, taking the CPM stance with this. We'll see it when we believe it. Too many honeyed words from CCP in the past with undelivered promises, only actions can woo the community over now. Edit : Meeting is NDA atm, but honestly I'm gonna poke about getting the entire thing released, as nothing discussed was particularily secret. Don't hold your breath though. We still haven't convinced CCP to release their iron chokehold on information. Maybe the new EP can help with that The current stance that the CPM is taking is the correct one. Like you say we've heard too many platitudes and not enough action in terms of the infomation flow regarding whats coming up. And its entirely up to CCP to fix that. I've already posted my support in the Council Chamber. CCP Sabrewing is saying to me via twitter that some more details of the recent converstaions with the CPM is hopefully due soon, most likely during EveVegas which is where he is now. I'm generally feeling a lot more postive with the direction that the game is going and CCP Rouge seems fully aware of the problems we've had in the past. I just hope that they stop being so bloody minded about the flow of the infomation. The NDA while necessary, is also putting too much of a stranglehold on what the CPM can report WHEN CCP deign to speak to them. Stop being so bloody secretive Shanghai! Its not like we don't know whats supposed to be coming out.. We'd just like a clearer idea of when to expect it.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1839	Posted - 2013.10.18 09:11:00 - [26] - Quote My Thoughts ? "Wrong approach" It isn't the Core game-play that is stopping people from playing the game, is the unfinished Game with a total lack of new content. PEOPLE ARE BORE!!!!
Raz Warsaw Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder. 21	Posted - 2013.10.18 09:18:00 - [27] - Quote "Let's see what the kids got."
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 716	Posted - 2013.10.18 09:20:00 - [28] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Ultimately it comes down to whether or not the devs actually listen to what we tell them and allow it to effect their design choices. We know they pretend to, but I still get that feeling that if the idea didn't come from them they just can't bring themselves to use it. And if an idea does come from them, and it gets shot down by the community, they will do everything in their power to push it out the door regardless. cough vehicles, cough. The community is "mad" at tank changes because they state in the blog, weaker base hulls, only good with modules on and they doubled the base HP of tanks and made modules weaker. I'd rather see them try CCPs idea first. so far it looks like 20k ehp tanks are going to be back like we had in beta. I dont see how this is going to make tanks weaker when they are receiving more EHP
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 1101	Posted - 2013.10.18 09:43:00 - [29] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: New players should have 50x of every militia weapon/module/equipment available, and more weapons need to have militia grade variants. Having at least 4 different suits with different roles (like back in the closed beta) is much better than 4 of the same suits with a different fitting. 7 is the idea number, each with different weapons, equipment, and modules than the last I get what your saying, but isn't the point of the "fancy suits" being advertised supposed to be asperational. I suppose the problem is, unlike ever were people see a fancy ship and think "omg thats awesome, how long to train for that 3 months, train train train". All the suits in dust look the same. Which I suppose is your point. My point in that section was that you start out with 4 fittings of the same suit..when really players need to see more options in the beginning. I bet most new players don't even know you can buy different militia suits to try out the light or heavy suits without ever spending a single skill point. Not only this, but equipment, vehicles, and even weapons are very limited when you first start out...and there's nothing in the tutorial besides "you can buy stuff in the marketplace" that shows the player all of the different things you can do in this game. I can tell you right now I had no idea there were repair tools in this game until I was at least 6 months in...when really I should have been introduced to them the first day with a "medic" fitting that had one for me to try out...instead of throwing an injector on an assault suit and having me fumble around with it trying to heal players with it. Not only that, but I never knew it was super easy to skill into different modules and weapons, or else I would have done that the first week and tried out things like the mass driver (another item I never knew about for a long time), or the HMG.
Frank Olson Usul DUST University Ivy League 33	Posted - 2013.10.18 10:06:00 - [30] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: We'll see it when we believe it. t Isn't it the other way around? :D



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