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negative49er
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
264
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Posted - 2013.10.17 01:06:00 -
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I'll be thinking my minmatar scout would drop like a fly when there an assault scrambler rifle start shooting at me, but no i can out run it optical range or drive through it bullets. The AR for some reason is killing from 70m away, there is no way i can outrun that even with two complex kinetic catalyze.
Not trying to be a QQ( even though a lot of people know that the AR optical range is too far for blaster tech)
And here come the AR users
BET THEY WILL BE SAYING " NO THE AR IS NOT OP YOU JUST SUCK"
Bet 10 mill their will be one |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1542
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Posted - 2013.10.17 01:08:00 -
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I bet 10 mill that AR threads will become redundant and that the player, instead of bumping or commenting on another thread, will make a AR thread for the 100th time.
Take your butt whoopings like a man...or at least try to. |
Ripcord19981
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
110
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Posted - 2013.10.17 01:09:00 -
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AScrambler has a kick, so he cant shoot correctly the whole time and he also has overheat. You probably ran away whil he was trying not to overheat or the kick messed his aim up. With AR there are no limiting factors except for ammo. The AR doesnt have noticable kick or a overheat function |
negative49er
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
264
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Posted - 2013.10.17 01:12:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:I bet 10 mill that AR threads will become redundant and that the player, instead of bumping or commenting on another thread, will make a AR thread for the 100th time.
Take your butt whoopings like a man...or at least try to.
Well I guess you win |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2148
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Posted - 2013.10.17 01:13:00 -
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Most AR guys also use their sights so we shoot accurately A lot, and I mean tons, of guys who use other weapons just fire from the hip unless they are using the normal scrambler rifle or the sniper rifle |
Stevez WingYip
Operation Wolf Pack
14
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Posted - 2013.10.17 01:15:00 -
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negative49er wrote:I'll be thinking my minmatar scout would drop like a fly when there an assault scrambler rifle start shooting at me, but no i can out run it optical range or drive through it bullets. The AR for some reason is killing from 70m away, there is no way i can outrun that even with two complex kinetic catalyze.
Not trying to be a QQ( even though a lot of people know that the AR optical range is too far for blaster tech)
And here come the AR users
BET THEY WILL BE SAYING " NO THE AR IS NOT OP YOU JUST SUCK"
Bet 10 mill their will be one
AA (Aim Assist). I think that is the reason a lot of the time. |
Tek Hound
Death In Xcess Corporation
76
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Posted - 2013.10.17 02:08:00 -
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AA with 3sec ttk crutchmode |
8213
Grade No.2
400
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Posted - 2013.10.17 02:17:00 -
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With Scouts all you need is a half-charge shot in the back. I wish we had a way to test things in this game. Like Private Matches in CoD.
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Sir Dukey
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
233
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Posted - 2013.10.17 02:19:00 -
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negative49er wrote:I'll be thinking my minmatar scout would drop like a fly when there an assault scrambler rifle start shooting at me, but no i can out run it optical range or drive through it bullets. The AR for some reason is killing from 70m away, there is no way i can outrun that even with two complex kinetic catalyze.
Not trying to be a QQ( even though a lot of people know that the AR optical range is too far for blaster tech)
And here come the AR users
BET THEY WILL BE SAYING " NO THE AR IS NOT OP YOU JUST SUCK"
Bet 10 mill their will be one
NO THE AR IS NOT OP YOU JUST SUCK, wheres my 10 mil? |
Tek Hound
Death In Xcess Corporation
76
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Posted - 2013.10.17 02:30:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:AR guys have AA with no recoil so we shoot accurately A lot, and I mean tons, of Ar guys just fire from the hip. Why use a normal scrambler rifle or the sniper rifle?
Fixed it |
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
774
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Posted - 2013.10.17 02:38:00 -
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Honestly, it's because so many people use AR. You're more likely to be killed by it simply because it doesn't suck and the majority of the player base uses it.
I'm very rarely on the shooting end of an AR, and I think it's probably fine. |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
430
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Posted - 2013.10.17 02:58:00 -
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NO THE AR IS NOT OP AND YOU JUST SUCK CAPSLOCK!! |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1547
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Posted - 2013.10.17 03:04:00 -
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Tek Hound wrote:AA with 3sec ttk crutchmode
Oh please, so the aim assist is sooo good that your erratic movements are still being tracked even with the user input? I'm giving you a benefit of a doubt since I would like to think that you just don't run in a straight line. In which, you probably do. You probably run across to the field, getting shot upon and won't move a thumbstick to change your pattern.
Or are you actually saying that the aim assist is that strong that your bizarre movements to avoid fire is still being tracked even though the user has to have the crosshair somewhat near you to score a hit, meaning he's calm and cool as he tracks your movements allowing only 5 percent of his own interactions to matter when the aim assist carries on with the rest, which in a sense nullifies the aid of the aim assist.
I smell bull manure... |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2149
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Posted - 2013.10.17 10:07:00 -
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Tek Hound wrote:Delta 749 wrote:AR guys have AA with no recoil so we shoot accurately A lot, and I mean tons, of Ar guys just fire from the hip. Why use a normal scrambler rifle or the sniper rifle? Fixed it
Herp derp da AA dat applies to all guns only make da AR OP gais
Idiot |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2013.10.17 10:15:00 -
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Tek Hound wrote:AA with 3sec ttk crutchmode
3 seconds is such a mind bogglingly long TTK that if it take you 3 seconds to get behind cover or start dodging you need to consider other games. Most FPSs have a 0.1-1s TTK. Human reaction times are measured in fractions of a second. |
Seigfried Warheit
Pradox XVI
47
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Posted - 2013.10.17 10:15:00 -
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Ripcord19981 wrote:AScrambler has a kick, so he cant shoot correctly the whole time and he also has overheat. You probably ran away whil he was trying not to overheat or the kick messed his aim up. With AR there are no limiting factors except for ammo. The AR doesnt have noticable kick or a overheat function
AScrambler can shoot a clip n half by the time it overheats by the time that happens the person your aiming at should be dead..that is if your talking about the assault scram which is what I took the A for if not sorry ..also I havent really notice a kick for the gun maybe a slight one but pretty much its controllable so not noticeable too much if your not just shooting it that is ..again talking about assault variant |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
478
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Posted - 2013.10.17 10:34:00 -
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no ive noticed this as well do ar bullets have a higher movement speed than everything else? |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
1094
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Posted - 2013.10.17 10:36:00 -
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It's because the ASCR still has dispersion when ADS... whereas the AR does not seem to have any.
With how little health you have, and the AR's ability to do a million damage in .02 seconds...they just have to ADS, sweep back and forth, and make sure the sights are aimed at you long enough to get some hits in.
Also, the AR fires faster than the ASCR, so it's more along the lines of a stream of bullets (similar to a laser) that ends up hitting you. Dodging an ASCR is easier because there's actually space between the shots.
The AR will and always will be an automatic sniper rifle in this game until they add some dispersion when ADS. I will never understand why it's like that (every other game balances the ARs with dispersion at range). |
Syeven Reed
Inanimate Objects
70
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Posted - 2013.10.17 11:46:00 -
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AR have a much higher ROF, more things that can hit you - harder to dodge! |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6120
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Posted - 2013.10.17 11:57:00 -
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OP, I'm still trying to figure out how the damn things can kill me when I can't even see the bastard that's shooing. That's not balanced or fun, it makes me want to rage quit and its driven away my friends that used to play. |
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Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
308
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Posted - 2013.10.17 13:05:00 -
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I scout and have the same experience
We die in .3 seconds no matter what is shooting us, so the weapon with the high range, high rate of fire, and no effective recoil just has to scan swipe over us and we die, if one of those is lacking we can dodge it. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1212
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Posted - 2013.10.17 13:11:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Most AR guys also use their sights so we shoot accurately A lot, and I mean tons, of guys who use other weapons just fire from the hip unless they are using the normal scrambler rifle or the sniper rifle No, just that the AScR actually has recoil.
Something the AR lacks. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1212
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Posted - 2013.10.17 13:19:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:It's because the ASCR still has dispersion when ADS... whereas the AR does not seem to have any.
With how little health you have, and the AR's ability to do a million damage in .02 seconds...they just have to ADS, sweep back and forth, and make sure the sights are aimed at you long enough to get some hits in.
Also, the AR fires faster than the ASCR, so it's more along the lines of a stream of bullets (similar to a laser) that ends up hitting you. Dodging an ASCR is easier because there's actually space between the shots.
The AR will and always will be an automatic sniper rifle in this game until they add some dispersion when ADS. I will never understand why it's like that (every other game balances the ARs with dispersion at range). Recoil too |
Tek Hound
Death In Xcess Corporation
87
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Posted - 2013.10.18 21:43:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Tek Hound wrote:Delta 749 wrote:AR guys have AA with no recoil so we shoot accurately A lot, and I mean tons, of Ar guys just fire from the hip. Why use a normal scrambler rifle or the sniper rifle? Fixed it Herp derp da AA dat applies to all guns only make da AR OP gais Idiot
Wow another person who failed reading comprehension. AA COMBINE WITH ALL THE OTHER AR PERKS MAKES IT EVEN MORE OP. Your right you are an idiot but An ar with AA wont help you that.
ps mass drive, pc, flaylock dont have AA.
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Borne Velvalor
BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY
751
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Posted - 2013.10.18 21:55:00 -
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Shion Typhon wrote:Tek Hound wrote:AA with 3sec ttk crutchmode 3 seconds is such a mind bogglingly long TTK that if it take you 3 seconds to get behind cover or start dodging you need to consider other games. Most FPSs have a 0.1-1s TTK. Human reaction times are measured in fractions of a second.
This is because his figure is BS. A GEK/Duvolle with Proficiency 5 and a single Complex Damage Mod has a TTK of 1 second against the average STD/ADV suit with 500-600 HP. Against Proto suits with 800-900 HP, you're looking at 1.5 seconds. Other weapons, such as the Mass Driver and Laser Rifle, do indeed have 3-4 second TTKs against similar suits. Of course, the Laser heats up and has a bit of a range advantage while the MD is more of an area denial weapon that's good at killing enemies behind cover.
Also, keep in mind that the movement speed in this game and the amount of cover is far, far lower than "most FPS" games. The TTKs are around four to five times slower along with the movement speed. It encourages tactical play rather than "lol I press trigger before you do by a tenth of a second" style gameplay that games like CoD encourage. It's the reason why I play Dust over those games. |
Himiko Kuronaga
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1916
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Posted - 2013.10.19 12:16:00 -
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negative49er wrote:I'll be thinking my minmatar scout would drop like a fly when there an assault scrambler rifle start shooting at me, but no i can out run it optical range or drive through it bullets. The AR for some reason is killing from 70m away, there is no way i can outrun that even with two complex kinetic catalyze.
Not trying to be a QQ( even though a lot of people know that the AR optical range is too far for blaster tech)
And here come the AR users
BET THEY WILL BE SAYING " NO THE AR IS NOT OP YOU JUST SUCK"
Bet 10 mill their will be one
aim assist sticks on your target's body. The smaller the hipfire crosshair, the easier it sticks. The AR has the smallest crosshair of the rifles, with the exception of the LR.
In addition to this, it also has less recoil after training. With the scrambler the rifle "kicks" off of the aim assist sticky after a number of shots. With the AR, this does not really happen. This gives it the best accuracy rating of any weapon out there, bar none. More shots landing in a pinpoint accurate fashion means a faster killed target. |
Ydubbs81 RND
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
2016
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Posted - 2013.10.19 12:25:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Honestly, it's because so many people use AR. You're more likely to be killed by it simply because it doesn't suck and the majority of the player base uses it. And a huge percentage of the top players use it simply because they can port their shooter skills from other games into DUST more easily through the weapon. (Handles the same as in any other shooter.)
I'm very rarely on the shooting end of an AR, and I think it's probably fine.
You just nailed it, my man. The OP is trying to outrun a bullet! lmao.."with 2 kinetic catalyzers". |
Rinzler XVII
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
144
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Posted - 2013.10.19 17:23:00 -
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negative49er wrote:I'll be thinking my minmatar scout would drop like a fly when there an assault scrambler rifle start shooting at me, but no i can out run it optical range or drive through it bullets. The AR for some reason is killing from 70m away, there is no way i can outrun that even with two complex kinetic catalyze.
Not trying to be a QQ( even though a lot of people know that the AR optical range is too far for blaster tech)
And here come the AR users
BET THEY WILL BE SAYING " NO THE AR IS NOT OP YOU JUST SUCK"
Bet 10 mill their will be one
This isn't the matrix you shouldn't be trying to dodge bullets |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2179
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Posted - 2013.10.20 02:21:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:Shion Typhon wrote:Tek Hound wrote:AA with 3sec ttk crutchmode 3 seconds is such a mind bogglingly long TTK that if it take you 3 seconds to get behind cover or start dodging you need to consider other games. Most FPSs have a 0.1-1s TTK. Human reaction times are measured in fractions of a second. This is because his figure is BS. A GEK/Duvolle with Proficiency 5 and a single Complex Damage Mod has a TTK of 1 second against the average STD/ADV suit with 500-600 HP. Against Proto suits with 800-900 HP, you're looking at 1.5 seconds. Other weapons, such as the Mass Driver and Laser Rifle, do indeed have 3-4 second TTKs against similar suits. Of course, the Laser heats up and has a bit of a range advantage while the MD is more of an area denial weapon that's good at killing enemies behind cover. Also, keep in mind that the movement speed in this game and the amount of cover is far, far lower than "most FPS" games. The TTKs are around four to five times slower along with the movement speed. It encourages tactical play rather than "lol I press trigger before you do by a tenth of a second" style gameplay that games like CoD encourage. It's the reason why I play Dust over those games.
Yeah, cause bunny hopping spamming MD shots at peoples feet is the pinnacle of tactical play This games play style is a throwback to 90s era arena FPS games, not that theres anything wrong with that, but lets not pretends is some ultimate tactical experience
Hell lets look at the Rainbow Six games pre Vegas, would you call those games not tactical since that tenth of a second you seem to hate is all it takes to kill a guy wearing the heaviest armor available
Inb4 someone goes "Derp, well tactics technically is anything you do to do something so this game is tactical" no its not, not by the generally agreed upon definition of a tactical FPS so dont try to split hairs to keep up the delusion that playing this game somehow makes you smarter than people who play other FPS games, thats being just like the evetard who things because he plays that he is inherently better than someone who plays a different MMO |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
504
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Posted - 2013.10.20 02:32:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Most AR guys also use their sights so we shoot accurately A lot, and I mean tons, of guys who use other weapons just fire from the hip unless they are using the normal scrambler rifle or the sniper rifle This is mostly because the AScR has an insane flash and a tight hipfire cone. The SMG just performs better while hipfired, because it is a CQ weapon. |
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