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          D legendary hero 
          THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 17:38:00 -
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          I mean honestly:
 
 -  you don't get extra money at the end of each game for playing with members of your corp
 -  you don't earn extra SP
 -  PC is hit or miss, and 3 ambush matches if you do well can earn you the same amount of money
 -  you get taxed.
 -  only the best players get paid, and that's only if the CEO is rich and has an eve player.
 -  Your sacrifices don't really get compensated. (if you lose 3 tanks worth 5 million isk, who pays that back?
 -  you need at least 500 million Isk to start PC (wthout an aliance) and sustain a defense of your territory. 
 -  to be successful in PC you need an eve aliance
 -  corp roles do not give you anymore money or WP
 
 
  there is really no incentive to joining a corporations. all the things mentioned above only happen with the big corps in PC, that will care for their players. smaller corps, or new corps dont stand a chance and have nothing to offer. Even with big corps there is no guarantee that you can get anything.
  on top of that:
 
 -  you can find squads without a corp using either A. the squad finder OR B. getting the right chat channels. (hell you can even form your own chat channel and invite people until you start filling it in)
 -  you don't get taxed in a starter corp.
 -  you can be invited to PC if a corp in PC has played with you before and think your good. (you only get consistent PC when in a big corp or aliance)
 -  almost everything you can do with a corp you can do without.
 
 
 
 
  Basically my point is this:  What benefit does the individual players of a corporation get for being in one?
  Real mercenaries get paid by their PMCs. Real mercenaries get alot of money for what they do, and of course that experence goes on their resume (file). 
  Players playing with people from their corp should be getting paid extra for their WP earned as a team and getting a bonus fro winning a battle. etc | 
      
      
      
          
          Michael Arck 
          Anubis Prime Syndicate
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 17:45:00 -
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          As human beings, we tend to flock towards groups with similar goals, thoughts, likes and such to fight towards a common goal. In the real world, you have civil activist groups, gay right groups, feminist groups and such. So its not strange for us mercenaries in New Eden to have a corporation where friendships are built. Where the hope and dream of being the most feared, the most rivaled corporation comes to mind. 
  Yes, you can do all those things solo. But also as human beings, we want to share that end goal with someone. To stand with brothers and sisters and say, "hey we accomplished this together". To recall our moments of war, remembering when we needed aid, our corp mate was there to help. Or to come to the aid of another.
  That's the beauty of being in a corporation. It increases the worth of the game and the mercenary. | 
      
      
      
          
          General John Ripper 
          TeamPlayers EoN.
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 17:46:00 -
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          It is easy to play with my best friend cubs everyday and the corp name = our gang name. | 
      
      
      
          
          JL3Eleven 
          PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 17:46:00 -
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          For many people being in a corp is about talking with your friends. Its also one of the only reasons some people log on to play. | 
      
      
      
          
          low genius 
          The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 17:46:00 -
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          for some of us the people you play with are the reason you play. | 
      
      
      
          
          Fox Gaden 
          Immortal Guides
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 18:18:00 -
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          When they finally introduce PVE there was talk that they would let you enter your CorpGÇÖs Districts to hunt rogue drones when there was not a PC battle going on. This way the newer players that are not good enough for PC would still benefit from being in a Corp that owns Districts. And the Corp would benefit from the tax revenue generated by the PVEGÇÖers. | 
      
      
      
          
          Chunky Munkey 
          Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 18:21:00 -
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          If you don't like/can't see what corporations offer, don't join them. | 
      
      
      
          
          D legendary hero 
          THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 18:44:00 -
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          Michael Arck wrote:As human beings, we tend to flock towards groups with similar goals, thoughts, likes and such to fight towards a common goal. In the real world, you have civil activist groups, gay right groups, feminist groups and such. So its not strange for us mercenaries in New Eden to have a corporation where friendships are built. Where the hope and dream of being the most feared, the most rivaled corporation comes to mind. 
  Yes, you can do all those things solo. But also as human beings, we want to share that end goal with someone. To stand with brothers and sisters and say, "hey we accomplished this together". To recall our moments of war, remembering when we needed aid, our corp mate was there to help. Or to come to the aid of another.
  That's the beauty of being in a corporation. It increases the worth of the game and the mercenary.  
  All those people flock together for a common cause... what common goal or cause do corporations have other than PC? and what does PC even accomplish? it won't give civil right s to anyone. hell, FW doesn't free more minmintar every time we win... | 
      
      
      
          
          D legendary hero 
          THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 18:46:00 -
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          General John Ripper wrote:It is easy to play with my best friend cubs everyday and the corp name = our gang name.   
  Thats my point. you are unarguably (this is a fact btw) in one of the most powerful corps and the most powerful aliance in the game. So, you guy are seeing tons of cash and great players on the regular. but your average corp, what do they have that they can't get with a chat channel? | 
      
      
      
          
          D legendary hero 
          THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 18:47:00 -
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          JL3Eleven wrote:For many people being in a corp is about talking with your friends. Its also one of the only reasons some people log on to play.  
  Again, you can do the same thing with a chat channel, and you dont need 1million ISK or SP into corporation skills to do that. hell you can eve donate money to players now. so if you want to give your friend money you can.
 
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          D legendary hero 
          THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 18:49:00 -
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          Chunky Munkey wrote:If you don't like/can't see what corporations offer, don't join them.  
  This adds nothing to the question in the OP. | 
      
      
      
          
          God Hates Lags 
          Red Star. EoN.
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 18:59:00 -
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          D legendary hero wrote:I mean honestly: 
 -  you don't get extra money at the end of each game for playing with members of your corp
 -  you don't earn extra SP
 -  PC is hit or miss, and 3 ambush matches if you do well can earn you the same amount of money
 -  you get taxed.
 -  only the best players get paid, and that's only if the CEO is rich and has an eve player.
 -  Your sacrifices don't really get compensated. (if you lose 3 tanks worth 5 million isk, who pays that back?
 -  you need at least 500 million Isk to start PC (wthout an aliance) and sustain a defense of your territory. 
 -  to be successful in PC you need an eve aliance
 -  corp roles do not give you anymore money or WP
 
 there is really no incentive to joining a corporations. all the things mentioned above only happen with the big corps in PC, that will care for their players. smaller corps, or new corps dont stand a chance and have nothing to offer. Even with big corps there is no guarantee that you can get anything. on top of that: 
 -  you can find squads without a corp using either A. the squad finder OR B. getting the right chat channels. (hell you can even form your own chat channel and invite people until you start filling it in)
 -  you don't get taxed in a starter corp.
 -  you can be invited to PC if a corp in PC has played with you before and think your good. (you only get consistent PC when in a big corp or aliance)
 -  almost everything you can do with a corp you can do without.
 
 Basically my point is this:  What benefit does the individual players of a corporation get for being in one? Real mercenaries get paid by their PMCs. Real mercenaries get alot of money for what they do, and of course that experence goes on their resume (file). Players playing with people from their corp should be getting paid extra for their WP earned as a team and getting a bonus fro winning a battle. etc  
  Sounds like your corp sucks. Red Star players don't get taxed, we get compensated for lost fittings and tanks lost in PC. Our CEO regularly drops 20 mill isk on new recruits, we're not in an Eve alliance and still dominate PC and when you squad in corp you know you're going to be with quality players you know and not with blueberries. On top of that we almost always fill PC battles in corp, even when we have to pull from our feeder corp.
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          Medic 1879 
          Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 19:09:00 -
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          Personally I am in Forsaken Immortals because our CEO has found a secret way to transfer ISK to Eve and he needs our tax to keep up his robotic midget turkey prostitute addiction that only eve can fulfill. | 
      
      
      
          
          Chunky Munkey 
          Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 19:15:00 -
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          D legendary hero wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:If you don't like/can't see what corporations offer, don't join them.  This adds nothing to the question in the OP.  
  Wasn't trying to. OP questions the point of a corp, yet is in one. It's a tedious thread. | 
      
      
      
          
          Xocoyol Zaraoul 
          Superior Genetics
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 19:33:00 -
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          So I can easily start squads with RL friends, and to hell with everyone else.
  That is why I'm in a Player-Owned Corp. | 
      
      
      
          
          Her Nibs 
          Pradox One
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 19:43:00 -
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          Michael Arck wrote:As human beings, we tend to flock towards groups with similar goals, thoughts, likes and such to fight towards a common goal. In the real world, you have civil activist groups, gay right groups, feminist groups and such. So its not strange for us mercenaries in New Eden to have a corporation where friendships are built. Where the hope and dream of being the most feared, the most rivaled corporation comes to mind. 
  Yes, you can do all those things solo. But also as human beings, we want to share that end goal with someone. To stand with brothers and sisters and say, "hey we accomplished this together". To recall our moments of war, remembering when we needed aid, our corp mate was there to help. Or to come to the aid of another.
  That's the beauty of being in a corporation. It increases the worth of the game and the mercenary.  
  That's really deep. My corp has low taxes, pays us for doing PC's win or lose. If we run out of isk we ask and the corp or corp members are always willing to send you ISK....especially to tankers and dropship pilots. We need these guys. We have squads that have a good time together....it's not always serious business. It's all about working as a tean and learning how to work better together for success. | 
      
      
      
          
          Her Nibs 
          Pradox One
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 19:45:00 -
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          Time for a day job. | 
      
      
      
          
          Michael Arck 
          Anubis Prime Syndicate
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 19:53:00 -
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          D legendary hero wrote:Michael Arck wrote:As human beings, we tend to flock towards groups with similar goals, thoughts, likes and such to fight towards a common goal. In the real world, you have civil activist groups, gay right groups, feminist groups and such. So its not strange for us mercenaries in New Eden to have a corporation where friendships are built. Where the hope and dream of being the most feared, the most rivaled corporation comes to mind. 
  Yes, you can do all those things solo. But also as human beings, we want to share that end goal with someone. To stand with brothers and sisters and say, "hey we accomplished this together". To recall our moments of war, remembering when we needed aid, our corp mate was there to help. Or to come to the aid of another.
  That's the beauty of being in a corporation. It increases the worth of the game and the mercenary.  All those people flock together for a common cause... what common goal or cause do corporations have other than PC? and what does PC even accomplish? it won't give civil right s to anyone. hell, FW doesn't free more minmintar every time we win...  
  LOL it seems that you are responding sarcastically due to some negative occurences with you and corporation. I say that because you say "it won't give civil rights to anyone"
  Of course it wouldn't. What I did in a long form was explain that its a natural human thing to do to join groups or in this case, corporations.
  Some folks don't look at it short sighted as you do. You expected immediate rewards and something tangible. While there's folks like me who just get a kick out of organized, tactical warfare. Or just to have good times with friends. Or to smoke a bowl together while they storm districts on Molden Heath (not necessarily in PC).
  You asked a question and I answered, its to share experiences with like minded people. Now if you don't understand that, you either are trying to knock folks for being in corporations or you had many bitter experiences with corporations. | 
      
      
      
          
          Luk Manag 
          of Terror TRE GAFFEL
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 20:11:00 -
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          D legendary hero wrote:
   only the best players get paid, and that's only if the CEO is rich and has an eve player.
 
  Nope. I just wanted to call you out on this one. As it stands, there's no financial support flowing down from space players. Any paycheck comes from Dust ISK, not Eve ISK. | 
      
      
      
          
          Rogatien Merc 
          Red Star. EoN.
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 20:51:00 -
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          You can be a loner out in bummfuk nowhere living in the woods IRL too.
  strength in numbers + creates an ingroup with intangible social value allowing one to strive against the implied 'other' or outsider.
  ^--- random 3-cent words.
  L2sociology | 
      
      
      
          
          Arkena Wyrnspire 
          Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 22:04:00 -
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          D legendary hero wrote:I mean honestly: 
 -  you don't get extra money at the end of each game for playing with members of your corp
 -  you don't earn extra SP
 -  PC is hit or miss, and 3 ambush matches if you do well can earn you the same amount of money
 -  you get taxed.
 -  only the best players get paid, and that's only if the CEO is rich and has an eve player.
 -  Your sacrifices don't really get compensated. (if you lose 3 tanks worth 5 million isk, who pays that back?
 -  you need at least 500 million Isk to start PC (wthout an aliance) and sustain a defense of your territory. 
 -  to be successful in PC you need an eve aliance
 -  corp roles do not give you anymore money or WP
 
  
  You get extra money at the end of each match because you do better and die less thanks to the support of your corpmates. You're much more likely to play well with people you know well and play with regularly - corpmates.
  Tax isn't much of a concern. Does a couple of percent really make that much difference? Often corps don't have tax at all either.
  On having an EVE player - that doesn't give you any benefits other than making administration easier. You can't transfer EVE isk to Dust, so it's not like having an EVE player makes any difference to financing.
  Your sacrifices might well be compensated if you're in a good corp. But what were you expecting, magical replacement from nowhere because you're in a corp? If you lost something, it's probably your fault. You're going to lose less things with corp support though.
  Needing a load of isk to start PC hardly has an effect on the average player thinking about joining a corporation. That's more of a thing for directors to worry about.
  Why would corp roles give you more money or SP? I assume you meant SP, because WP wouldn't really work. If that were the case, then loads of people would just make one man corps, assign themselves all the roles, and go out and make isk/SP. What's the logic behind people with roles getting free stuff from nowhere? | 
      
      
      
          
          Spectre-M 
          The Generals EoN.
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          Actually, running with a corp does give you more SP. If you have a good squad leader, they put up orders and you make more WP for every action. WP, to my understanding , makes you more SP at the end of match. 
  Sure, my corp doesnt give me compensaion for suits for PC, because i most likley made 2mil+ for that match. If i were to run tanks, they sure do give a tonne of ISK to run them ( i dont run tanks but give millions to our tankers and hunt swarm launchers). Being in a corp means ACCESS. Access to leaders, ISK and any other resources you need. It means more matches, more ISk and more hands on deck. It also gives access to more challenging players you might not even see in pubs/FW making you better every step of the way. 
  I am loyal to my corp, as they have given me opportunity i wouldnt have had without them. We may have issues now and then, but its all worth the deep connection we have to our flag and commrades. =GEN=, baby!
  Revol Frog, Anubis, Oso, DEADAGAN, NAV HIV and a slew of other corp mates have taught me some invaluble stuff that i can also pass on to newberries i squad with.
  Edit: I'll even pay back corp mates if i acidentally team kill them in PC. Only happened once and they even gave it back, because i was new to PC. | 
      
      
      
          
          Yelhsa Jin-Mao 
          Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
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          Michael Arck wrote:As human beings, we tend to flock towards groups with similar goals, thoughts, likes and such to fight towards a common goal. In the real world, you have civil activist groups, gay right groups, feminist groups and such. So its not strange for us mercenaries in New Eden to have a corporation where friendships are built. Where the hope and dream of being the most feared, the most rivaled corporation comes to mind. 
  Yes, you can do all those things solo. But also as human beings, we want to share that end goal with someone. To stand with brothers and sisters and say, "hey we accomplished this together". To recall our moments of war, remembering when we needed aid, our corp mate was there to help. Or to come to the aid of another.
  That's the beauty of being in a corporation. It increases the worth of the game and the mercenary.  
  You forgot the sudden burst of Pedo rights groups too, especially in the US. | 
      
      
      
          
          Operative 1171 Aajli 
          Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 23:23:00 -
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          It's a holdover from EVE. Pay no attention. Proceed. | 
      
      
      
          
          Meeko Fent 
          DUST University Ivy League
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        Posted - 2013.10.16 23:31:00 -
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          Getting your wallet raped by the CEO and tons of people going LFS in corp chat. 
  Maybe it's just larger corps. | 
      
      
      
          
          D legendary hero 
          THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
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        Posted - 2013.10.17 02:21:00 -
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          God Hates Lags wrote:D legendary hero wrote:I mean honestly: [list]stuff  Sounds like your corp sucks. Red Star players don't get taxed, we get compensated for lost fittings and tanks lost in PC. Our CEO regularly drops 20 mill isk on new recruits, we're not in an Eve alliance and still dominate PC and when you squad in corp you know you're going to be with quality players you know and not with blueberries. On top of that we almost always fill PC battles in corp, even when we have to pull from our feeder corp.  
  my corp doesnt suck, your corp is just plain great. But how many Red stars are out there? How many corporations do that? Not many. 
  So, Yes your corporation is great indeed. Yes, your corporation literally counters all my points. but, what incentive do Ceo's have for generosity like, this. nothing your corp does is mandated, or obligatory. Today or tommorrow your ceo could decide not to do this. Thats not to say he will do that, but really how many other corps have someone like that who regularly helps his people out? | 
      
      
      
          
          D legendary hero 
          THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
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        Posted - 2013.10.17 02:26:00 -
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          Michael Arck wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Michael Arck wrote:As human beings, we tend to flock towards groups with similar goals, thoughts, likes and such to fight towards a common goal. In the real world, you have civil activist groups, gay right groups, feminist groups and such. So its not strange for us mercenaries in New Eden to have a corporation where friendships are built. Where the hope and dream of being the most feared, the most rivaled corporation comes to mind. 
  Yes, you can do all those things solo. But also as human beings, we want to share that end goal with someone. To stand with brothers and sisters and say, "hey we accomplished this together". To recall our moments of war, remembering when we needed aid, our corp mate was there to help. Or to come to the aid of another.
  That's the beauty of being in a corporation. It increases the worth of the game and the mercenary.  All those people flock together for a common cause... what common goal or cause do corporations have other than PC? and what does PC even accomplish? it won't give civil right s to anyone. hell, FW doesn't free more minmintar every time we win...  LOL it seems that you are responding sarcastically due to some negative occurences with you and corporation. I say that because you say "it won't give civil rights to anyone" Of course it wouldn't. What I did in a long form was explain that its a natural human thing to do to join groups or in this case, corporations. Some folks don't look at it short sighted as you do. You expected immediate rewards and something tangible. While there's folks like me who just get a kick out of organized, tactical warfare. Or just to have good times with friends. Or to smoke a bowl together while they storm districts on Molden Heath (not necessarily in PC). You asked a question and I answered, its to share experiences with like minded people. Now if you don't understand that, you either are trying to knock folks for being in corporations or you had many bitter experiences with corporations.   
 
  Mercenaries get paid by their PMCs. Im not questioning the validity of your argument. But, if you get the same amount of cash for playing non-corp battles as for playing with your corp mates whats the point? You can squad up with all your friends anyway. My point is if you are not in a ubber powerful corporation what benefit do YOU individually receiver that YOU CANNOT get without a corp?
  Im not accussing anyone. Did I name an corps? Did I insult you personally? did I insult you at all? i hope not.  i want an answer that has nothing to do wit metagame. | 
      
      
      
          
          D legendary hero 
          THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
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        Posted - 2013.10.17 02:28:00 -
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          Luk Manag wrote:D legendary hero wrote:
   only the best players get paid, and that's only if the CEO is rich and has an eve player.
 Nope. I just wanted to call you out on this one. As it stands, there's no financial support flowing down from space players. Any paycheck comes from Dust ISK, not Eve ISK.  
  Eve players can transfer Isk to DUST with a 90% tax. which is then used. | 
      
      
      
          
          Boot Booter 
          Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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        Posted - 2013.10.17 02:29:00 -
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          I have friends in my Corp that I get to squad up with frequently.. That alone is worth it. After all, it's a game and it's here for us to play so we can have fun. If all you care about is making fake money and not getting fake taxed then Idk.. I guess you have a point. 
  Plus it's fun to get a full squad of Corp members and stomp a pub match filling the top 6 spots.   | 
      
      
      
          
          D legendary hero 
          THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
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          Rogatien Merc wrote:You can be a loner out in bummfuk nowhere living in the woods IRL too.
  strength in numbers + creates an ingroup with intangible social value allowing one to strive against the implied 'other' or outsider.
  ^--- random 3-cent words.
  L2sociology  
 
  Dude I dont have to join the police force to be freidns with coprs. I dont have to join the army to be friends with soldiers. In fact you dont have to be a politician to have stakes in politics. this has nothing to do with this conversation. | 
      
      
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