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kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 0	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:08:00 - [1] - Quote I have been playing for almost 5 months now and it has been one hell of a grind to become competitive. My one question is why didn't sp get reset at release? If a game is released and advertised as new why did new players run into a proto wall of vet players with 15m sp? I didn't give up. I continue to get better everyday but I will never be able to close the gap. I haven't noticed it in pub matches as I can clean up. PC on the other hand is full of maxed out characters with infinite wallets. Any thoughts? Was it some sick marketing ploy to make new players think they could actually close the gap using real money? Any thoughts? How do newer players exist in new Eden ?
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1468	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:09:00 - [2] - Quote Tell me if I'm wrong community but wasn't there a respec at the time of "release"? I could be wrong but I remember getting a respec once in my playing career...
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1825	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:11:00 - [3] - Quote If the game was released in the same state as open beta those new players would not of hit a wall of proto. See back in beta you could training twice as fast. Then without a word they doubled-tripled the sp pool without increasing the number of skills or the output of sp
21yrOld Knight Pradox One 184	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:12:00 - [4] - Quote There was a full respec during full release
kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 0	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:13:00 - [5] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Tell me if I'm wrong community but wasn't there a respec at the time of "release"? I could be wrong but I remember getting a respec once in my playing career... You had one. Way before release. I had a friend invite me to play at full release and he had 14mil on May 19.
Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 290	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:14:00 - [6] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: I have been playing for almost 5 months now and it has been one hell of a grind to become competitive. My one question is why didn't sp get reset at release? If a game is released and advertised as new why did new players run into a proto wall of vet players with 15m sp? I didn't give up. I continue to get better everyday but I will never be able to close the gap. I haven't noticed it in pub matches as I can clean up. PC on the other hand is full of maxed out characters with infinite wallets. Any thoughts? Was it some sick marketing ploy to make new players think they could actually close the gap using real money? Any thoughts? How do newer players exist in new Eden ? Easy enough with advice, I've brought in a few new players and have them rockin in no time, pending on their gun game I suggest different roles and or weapons. 5 months is enough to make you deadly, more time just allows you to be flexible. Offense skills first (weapon, mods, ect), defense ones later is the standard route to go due to the lower TTK Equipment skills if your gun game isn't as polished
Bleeding Knight Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 35	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:14:00 - [7] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: There was a full respec during full release More like 3 re-spec
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 221	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:16:00 - [8] - Quote There's always going to be someone with more SP than you. Resetting the SP won't really change that fact in the long run.
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1018	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:17:00 - [9] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: I have been playing for almost 5 months now and it has been one hell of a grind to become competitive. My one question is why didn't sp get reset at release? If a game is released and advertised as new why did new players run into a proto wall of vet players with 15m sp? I didn't give up. I continue to get better everyday but I will never be able to close the gap. I haven't noticed it in pub matches as I can clean up. PC on the other hand is full of maxed out characters with infinite wallets. Any thoughts? Was it some sick marketing ploy to make new players think they could actually close the gap using real money? Any thoughts? How do newer players exist in new Eden ? Played ya today. You might have the SP to be competitive, but definitely not the Gun game
kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 0	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:20:00 - [10] - Quote This isn't a help me get better thread. I am trying to get an answer to a question that I have had since May.

Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1470	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:22:00 - [11] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: There was a full respec during full release This is what I was thinking. I don't recall having one before the full release...
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 30	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:22:00 - [12] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: This isn't a help me get better thread. I am trying to get an answer to a question that I have had since May. just be happy they reset the points when it went to open beta :P also this kind of still IS a beta....
8213 Grade No.2 359	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:24:00 - [13] - Quote Uh... I remember getting a respec at "release"... where were you?
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 343	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:27:00 - [14] - Quote ...do you guys not realize he said "reset" as in everyone set back to 500.000 SP.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1472	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:29:00 - [15] - Quote So now, SP reset isn't equal to respec? LOL huh?
kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 0	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:29:00 - [16] - Quote Thanks for the confidence boost Reg. Don't use a lagged out PC match to base opinions of a player's gun game. Either way it's not the point of this thread. On a side note I find it funny none of you know when full release was or when you had your scores reset.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 646	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:29:00 - [17] - Quote Guys, he is talking about a reset, not respec... as in all SP set to zero. The reason that it did not happen is that they had done it already so many times to the vets during closed Beta. Doing it one more time would have killed much of their player base that had seen nothing but grind after grind. They stated during open beta that there would be no more resets.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1174	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:30:00 - [18] - Quote Beta testers got to keep their SP as a reward for testing the game. The thing you have to realize is that the skill tree is wide and shallow. After a certain number of SP it isn't possible to get any better at a specific role. At that point more SP only lets you diversify into other suits or vehicles.
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards 229	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:31:00 - [19] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Tell me if I'm wrong community but wasn't there a respec at the time of "release"? I could be wrong but I remember getting a respec once in my playing career... actually i think this was open beta.
8213 Grade No.2 359	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:38:00 - [20] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: kripter MAC wrote: I have been playing for almost 5 months now and it has been one hell of a grind to become competitive. My one question is why didn't sp get reset at release? If a game is released and advertised as new why did new players run into a proto wall of vet players with 15m sp? I didn't give up. I continue to get better everyday but I will never be able to close the gap. I haven't noticed it in pub matches as I can clean up. PC on the other hand is full of maxed out characters with infinite wallets. Any thoughts? Was it some sick marketing ploy to make new players think they could actually close the gap using real money? Any thoughts? How do newer players exist in new Eden ? Played ya today. You might have the SP to be competitive, but definitely not the Gun game Wow, this kid doesn't stop... How come nobody ever comes on here and brags about killing you? Oh yeah, we're not ******** like that (and yes, chief I've killed you and your boys more than you have ever me...)

kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 0	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:40:00 - [21] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: Beta testers got to keep their SP as a reward for testing the game. The thing you have to realize is that the skill tree is wide and shallow. After a certain number of SP it isn't possible to get any better at a specific role. At that point more SP only lets you diversify into other suits or vehicles. I recently read a post where a player mentioned being maxed out in their perspective role after reaching almost 30 mil sp. if that is true I have a ways to go lol.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1094	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:02:00 - [22] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: I have been playing for almost 5 months now and it has been one hell of a grind to become competitive. My one question is why didn't sp get reset at release? If a game is released and advertised as new why did new players run into a proto wall of vet players with 15m sp? I didn't give up. I continue to get better everyday but I will never be able to close the gap. I haven't noticed it in pub matches as I can clean up. PC on the other hand is full of maxed out characters with infinite wallets. Any thoughts? Was it some sick marketing ploy to make new players think they could actually close the gap using real money? Any thoughts? How do newer players exist in new Eden ? To finally answer your question, There was a complete "reset" at the end of closed beta. All SP was set to zero and all AUR refunded. At this point the game entered open beta. Any PS3 owner with an internet connection could have downloaded DUST 514 and began their merc career.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1094	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:04:00 - [23] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: Kristoff Atruin wrote: Beta testers got to keep their SP as a reward for testing the game. The thing you have to realize is that the skill tree is wide and shallow. After a certain number of SP it isn't possible to get any better at a specific role. At that point more SP only lets you diversify into other suits or vehicles. I recently read a post where a player mentioned being maxed out in their perspective role after reaching almost 30 mil sp. if that is true I have a ways to go lol. The only role I could see taking 30 mil to fully max would be a Logi, because of all the Equipment.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 633	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:13:00 - [24] - Quote CCP didnt want to **** off the people who were grinding away at this game instead of beta testing. If CCP was smart about beta tests and actually gave people SP instead of making then play several months just to spec into something, then no one would have any qualms about a reset. The best we could hope for right now is balance between new players and vets but the bitter vets want to hold onto their proto advantage as long as they can, even if it means driving off new players which will be the end of this game.
kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 1	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:25:00 - [25] - Quote Well the end of dust is just over the horizon. No new players equals no more dust. I honestly think they left the sp to push new players to aurum purchases. This may have earned some money but more players would mean more possibilities for revenue. I think I speak for the majority here when I say the CCP business model is flawed!
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1436	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:30:00 - [26] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: Well the end of dust is just over the horizon. No new players equals no more dust. I honestly think they left the sp to push new players to aurum purchases. This may have earned some money but more players would mean more possibilities for revenue. I think I speak for the majority here when I say the CCP business model is flawed! Even if their business model is flawed, their sense of humour isn't. I laughed when I realised that no one playing DUST would mean it gathers dust. So no new players would not mean the end of dust, but the beginning of it.
kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 1	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:36:00 - [27] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: kripter MAC wrote: Well the end of dust is just over the horizon. No new players equals no more dust. I honestly think they left the sp to push new players to aurum purchases. This may have earned some money but more players would mean more possibilities for revenue. I think I speak for the majority here when I say the CCP business model is flawed! Even if their business model is flawed, their sense of humour isn't. I laughed when I realised that no one playing DUST would mean it gathers dust. So no new players would not mean the end of dust, but the beginning of it. That is some twilight zone stuff there... Deep thoughts for sure lol
Chad Michael Murray The Phoenix Federation Ascension Alliance 83	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:37:00 - [28] - Quote Why do people bring up "closing the gap" anyway? After roughly 10mill sp or so (random guess don't hold me to it) everyone is equal; after that point you can spec into another role. Not really THAT big of a difference is it? So, yeah, I don't think a reset was really needed. Besides, someone will always have more SP than you whether they did a reset or not; really isn't a huge deal.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 595	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:39:00 - [29] - Quote I never got a respec at release :'(
Eyemakerwet R 0 N 1 N 85	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:53:00 - [30] - Quote Reset was two weeks before open beta. Respec was uprising, about two weeks(maybe less) before actual game release



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