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kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 0	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:08:00 - [1] - Quote I have been playing for almost 5 months now and it has been one hell of a grind to become competitive. My one question is why didn't sp get reset at release? If a game is released and advertised as new why did new players run into a proto wall of vet players with 15m sp? I didn't give up. I continue to get better everyday but I will never be able to close the gap. I haven't noticed it in pub matches as I can clean up. PC on the other hand is full of maxed out characters with infinite wallets. Any thoughts? Was it some sick marketing ploy to make new players think they could actually close the gap using real money? Any thoughts? How do newer players exist in new Eden ?
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1468	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:09:00 - [2] - Quote Tell me if I'm wrong community but wasn't there a respec at the time of "release"? I could be wrong but I remember getting a respec once in my playing career...
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1825	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:11:00 - [3] - Quote If the game was released in the same state as open beta those new players would not of hit a wall of proto. See back in beta you could training twice as fast. Then without a word they doubled-tripled the sp pool without increasing the number of skills or the output of sp
21yrOld Knight Pradox One 184	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:12:00 - [4] - Quote There was a full respec during full release
kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 0	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:13:00 - [5] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Tell me if I'm wrong community but wasn't there a respec at the time of "release"? I could be wrong but I remember getting a respec once in my playing career... You had one. Way before release. I had a friend invite me to play at full release and he had 14mil on May 19.
Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 290	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:14:00 - [6] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: I have been playing for almost 5 months now and it has been one hell of a grind to become competitive. My one question is why didn't sp get reset at release? If a game is released and advertised as new why did new players run into a proto wall of vet players with 15m sp? I didn't give up. I continue to get better everyday but I will never be able to close the gap. I haven't noticed it in pub matches as I can clean up. PC on the other hand is full of maxed out characters with infinite wallets. Any thoughts? Was it some sick marketing ploy to make new players think they could actually close the gap using real money? Any thoughts? How do newer players exist in new Eden ? Easy enough with advice, I've brought in a few new players and have them rockin in no time, pending on their gun game I suggest different roles and or weapons. 5 months is enough to make you deadly, more time just allows you to be flexible. Offense skills first (weapon, mods, ect), defense ones later is the standard route to go due to the lower TTK Equipment skills if your gun game isn't as polished
Bleeding Knight Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 35	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:14:00 - [7] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: There was a full respec during full release More like 3 re-spec
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 221	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:16:00 - [8] - Quote There's always going to be someone with more SP than you. Resetting the SP won't really change that fact in the long run.
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 1018	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:17:00 - [9] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: I have been playing for almost 5 months now and it has been one hell of a grind to become competitive. My one question is why didn't sp get reset at release? If a game is released and advertised as new why did new players run into a proto wall of vet players with 15m sp? I didn't give up. I continue to get better everyday but I will never be able to close the gap. I haven't noticed it in pub matches as I can clean up. PC on the other hand is full of maxed out characters with infinite wallets. Any thoughts? Was it some sick marketing ploy to make new players think they could actually close the gap using real money? Any thoughts? How do newer players exist in new Eden ? Played ya today. You might have the SP to be competitive, but definitely not the Gun game
kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 0	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:20:00 - [10] - Quote This isn't a help me get better thread. I am trying to get an answer to a question that I have had since May.

Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1470	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:22:00 - [11] - Quote 21yrOld Knight wrote: There was a full respec during full release This is what I was thinking. I don't recall having one before the full release...
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 30	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:22:00 - [12] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: This isn't a help me get better thread. I am trying to get an answer to a question that I have had since May. just be happy they reset the points when it went to open beta :P also this kind of still IS a beta....
8213 Grade No.2 359	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:24:00 - [13] - Quote Uh... I remember getting a respec at "release"... where were you?
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 343	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:27:00 - [14] - Quote ...do you guys not realize he said "reset" as in everyone set back to 500.000 SP.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1472	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:29:00 - [15] - Quote So now, SP reset isn't equal to respec? LOL huh?
kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 0	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:29:00 - [16] - Quote Thanks for the confidence boost Reg. Don't use a lagged out PC match to base opinions of a player's gun game. Either way it's not the point of this thread. On a side note I find it funny none of you know when full release was or when you had your scores reset.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 646	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:29:00 - [17] - Quote Guys, he is talking about a reset, not respec... as in all SP set to zero. The reason that it did not happen is that they had done it already so many times to the vets during closed Beta. Doing it one more time would have killed much of their player base that had seen nothing but grind after grind. They stated during open beta that there would be no more resets.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1174	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:30:00 - [18] - Quote Beta testers got to keep their SP as a reward for testing the game. The thing you have to realize is that the skill tree is wide and shallow. After a certain number of SP it isn't possible to get any better at a specific role. At that point more SP only lets you diversify into other suits or vehicles.
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards 229	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:31:00 - [19] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Tell me if I'm wrong community but wasn't there a respec at the time of "release"? I could be wrong but I remember getting a respec once in my playing career... actually i think this was open beta.
8213 Grade No.2 359	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:38:00 - [20] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: kripter MAC wrote: I have been playing for almost 5 months now and it has been one hell of a grind to become competitive. My one question is why didn't sp get reset at release? If a game is released and advertised as new why did new players run into a proto wall of vet players with 15m sp? I didn't give up. I continue to get better everyday but I will never be able to close the gap. I haven't noticed it in pub matches as I can clean up. PC on the other hand is full of maxed out characters with infinite wallets. Any thoughts? Was it some sick marketing ploy to make new players think they could actually close the gap using real money? Any thoughts? How do newer players exist in new Eden ? Played ya today. You might have the SP to be competitive, but definitely not the Gun game Wow, this kid doesn't stop... How come nobody ever comes on here and brags about killing you? Oh yeah, we're not ******** like that (and yes, chief I've killed you and your boys more than you have ever me...)

kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 0	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:40:00 - [21] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: Beta testers got to keep their SP as a reward for testing the game. The thing you have to realize is that the skill tree is wide and shallow. After a certain number of SP it isn't possible to get any better at a specific role. At that point more SP only lets you diversify into other suits or vehicles. I recently read a post where a player mentioned being maxed out in their perspective role after reaching almost 30 mil sp. if that is true I have a ways to go lol.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1094	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:02:00 - [22] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: I have been playing for almost 5 months now and it has been one hell of a grind to become competitive. My one question is why didn't sp get reset at release? If a game is released and advertised as new why did new players run into a proto wall of vet players with 15m sp? I didn't give up. I continue to get better everyday but I will never be able to close the gap. I haven't noticed it in pub matches as I can clean up. PC on the other hand is full of maxed out characters with infinite wallets. Any thoughts? Was it some sick marketing ploy to make new players think they could actually close the gap using real money? Any thoughts? How do newer players exist in new Eden ? To finally answer your question, There was a complete "reset" at the end of closed beta. All SP was set to zero and all AUR refunded. At this point the game entered open beta. Any PS3 owner with an internet connection could have downloaded DUST 514 and began their merc career.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1094	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:04:00 - [23] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: Kristoff Atruin wrote: Beta testers got to keep their SP as a reward for testing the game. The thing you have to realize is that the skill tree is wide and shallow. After a certain number of SP it isn't possible to get any better at a specific role. At that point more SP only lets you diversify into other suits or vehicles. I recently read a post where a player mentioned being maxed out in their perspective role after reaching almost 30 mil sp. if that is true I have a ways to go lol. The only role I could see taking 30 mil to fully max would be a Logi, because of all the Equipment.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 633	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:13:00 - [24] - Quote CCP didnt want to **** off the people who were grinding away at this game instead of beta testing. If CCP was smart about beta tests and actually gave people SP instead of making then play several months just to spec into something, then no one would have any qualms about a reset. The best we could hope for right now is balance between new players and vets but the bitter vets want to hold onto their proto advantage as long as they can, even if it means driving off new players which will be the end of this game.
kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 1	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:25:00 - [25] - Quote Well the end of dust is just over the horizon. No new players equals no more dust. I honestly think they left the sp to push new players to aurum purchases. This may have earned some money but more players would mean more possibilities for revenue. I think I speak for the majority here when I say the CCP business model is flawed!
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1436	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:30:00 - [26] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: Well the end of dust is just over the horizon. No new players equals no more dust. I honestly think they left the sp to push new players to aurum purchases. This may have earned some money but more players would mean more possibilities for revenue. I think I speak for the majority here when I say the CCP business model is flawed! Even if their business model is flawed, their sense of humour isn't. I laughed when I realised that no one playing DUST would mean it gathers dust. So no new players would not mean the end of dust, but the beginning of it.
kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 1	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:36:00 - [27] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: kripter MAC wrote: Well the end of dust is just over the horizon. No new players equals no more dust. I honestly think they left the sp to push new players to aurum purchases. This may have earned some money but more players would mean more possibilities for revenue. I think I speak for the majority here when I say the CCP business model is flawed! Even if their business model is flawed, their sense of humour isn't. I laughed when I realised that no one playing DUST would mean it gathers dust. So no new players would not mean the end of dust, but the beginning of it. That is some twilight zone stuff there... Deep thoughts for sure lol
Chad Michael Murray The Phoenix Federation Ascension Alliance 83	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:37:00 - [28] - Quote Why do people bring up "closing the gap" anyway? After roughly 10mill sp or so (random guess don't hold me to it) everyone is equal; after that point you can spec into another role. Not really THAT big of a difference is it? So, yeah, I don't think a reset was really needed. Besides, someone will always have more SP than you whether they did a reset or not; really isn't a huge deal.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 595	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:39:00 - [29] - Quote I never got a respec at release :'(
Eyemakerwet R 0 N 1 N 85	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:53:00 - [30] - Quote Reset was two weeks before open beta. Respec was uprising, about two weeks(maybe less) before actual game release

Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1181	Posted - 2013.10.13 05:02:00 - [31] - Quote 30 million SP would have to be either logi, or HAV driver. And even with the logi you don't need to have all of the equipment trained to 5. I'm at about 18 million SP now, and I consider myself to have maxxed out a logi role because I have a proto suit, maxed out tanking skills, maxed out cpu / pg and the ability to use up every last bit of it. It now takes around 3 weeks worth of passive SP for me to get the most marginal of improvements out of my logi suit. Most of the things I could train now would be alternate logi roles. I have proto hives, but only advanced uplinks. I can put 4 of those links down at the same time though as long as I use a proto logi suit. Rep tools...I've never trained those past level 1. I could dump a ton of SP into them, but it doesn't make any of my current logi suits any better. That's another side-grade. Logisitcs is an incredibly wide pool of skills, and you don't need all of them...just the ones that fit your play style.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 633	Posted - 2013.10.13 05:20:00 - [32] - Quote Chad Michael Murray wrote: Why do people bring up "closing the gap" anyway? After roughly 10mill sp or so (random guess don't hold me to it) everyone is equal; after that point you can spec into another role. Not really THAT big of a difference is it? So, yeah, I don't think a reset was really needed. Besides, someone will always have more SP than you whether they did a reset or not; really isn't a huge deal. Actually it takes about 15 mil to cap out on a specialized role like assault or logistics, but thats excluding all the extra stuff like kinectic mods, hacking, and profile damp/scan/range or other equipment. Also it takes about 5-6 months to catch up to the top players in terms of gear. The average casual wont have that kind of patience.
Fist Groinpunch Goonfeet Top Men. 124	Posted - 2013.10.13 05:44:00 - [33] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Played ya today. You might have the SP to be competitive, but definitely not the Gun game Always wanted to know what your primary fit was. Care to share?
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1125	Posted - 2013.10.13 05:49:00 - [34] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: So now, SP reset isn't equal to respec? LOL huh? Reset and respec never meant the same things failure lol
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3707	Posted - 2013.10.13 06:29:00 - [35] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: I have been playing for almost 5 months now and it has been one hell of a grind to become competitive. My one question is why didn't sp get reset at release? If a game is released and advertised as new why did new players run into a proto wall of vet players with 15m sp? I didn't give up. I continue to get better everyday but I will never be able to close the gap. I haven't noticed it in pub matches as I can clean up. PC on the other hand is full of maxed out characters with infinite wallets. Any thoughts? Was it some sick marketing ploy to make new players think they could actually close the gap using real money? Any thoughts? How do newer players exist in new Eden ? The Open Beta was there for anyone who wanted to play it. Choosing not to play in the Open Beta and then complaining that those of us who did didn't have all our progress taken away from us is childish. Dust is hardly the first F2P game to allow people who support the game through Open Beta to keep their progress as a reward.
Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1140	Posted - 2013.10.13 06:35:00 - [36] - Quote I remember that day. The day in which all was lost, and a new chapter was to be written. In all truth, a full character reset may have been more fair, but imagine the QQ and sadness all us betas would be in since then. But yeah, a reset completely would have been ten time more fair, but whatever. Can't quite fix it I suppose.
Chad Michael Murray The Phoenix Federation Ascension Alliance 83	Posted - 2013.10.13 06:49:00 - [37] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: Chad Michael Murray wrote: Why do people bring up "closing the gap" anyway? After roughly 10mill sp or so (random guess don't hold me to it) everyone is equal; after that point you can spec into another role. Not really THAT big of a difference is it? So, yeah, I don't think a reset was really needed. Besides, someone will always have more SP than you whether they did a reset or not; really isn't a huge deal. Actually it takes about 15 mil to cap out on a specialized role like assault or logistics, but thats excluding all the extra stuff like kinectic mods, hacking, and profile damp/scan/range or other equipment. Also it takes about 5-6 months to catch up to the top players in terms of gear. The average casual wont have that kind of patience. While you're correct about the average casual it doesn't change the point I was trying to make. The "gap" is closed eventually; if someone had 30 mill SP it doesn't mean they're 2x better off as someone who only had 15 mill, just means they can do other role(s).
jin foxdale Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 77	Posted - 2013.10.13 07:04:00 - [38] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Michael Arck wrote: So now, SP reset isn't equal to respec? LOL huh? Reset and respec never meant the same things failure lol breathes out forcefully Thank goodness somebody said something!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9366	Posted - 2013.10.13 07:07:00 - [39] - Quote At 5 months you should be at 6 million points or so if you set your character to passive, 6 million is competitive enough.
Ghost Kaisar Pradox One 495	Posted - 2013.10.13 07:11:00 - [40] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: At 5 months you should be at 6 million points or so if you set your character to passive, 6 million is competitive enough. Ugh. 6 million is enough if you know EXACTLY what you need to spec into and waste NOTHING. Not only that, but 5 months just to get competitive? AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT

demonkiller 12 G.U.T.Z 254	Posted - 2013.10.13 07:11:00 - [41] - Quote He said reset not respec, and no, there shouldnt have been - we've gone over this many times before, just because you were too lazy to find this game on the PSN store while it was in open beta and anyone could get it does not mean we should give special thought to those starting the game later
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9366	Posted - 2013.10.13 07:16:00 - [42] - Quote Either way there is no way any one person especially a casual going to catch up with a hard core. The sort of folks that already got like couple million of SP from over the cap. The ones floating at 27 million sp now. Reset at launch and reset now is still going to put you at a disadvantage regardless against these sort of folks.
demonkiller 12 G.U.T.Z 254	Posted - 2013.10.13 07:16:00 - [43] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: Thanks for the confidence boost Reg. Don't use a lagged out PC match to base opinions of a player's gun game. Either way it's not the point of this thread. On a side note I find it funny none of you know when full release was or when you had your scores reset. Last skill reset was 2 weeks before Open Beta, game was released far before it was anywhere near ready at 14/5th or 5/14 for the silly muricans - all because CCP were like LOL LETS RELEASE THE GAME ON THE AMERICAN RELEASE DATE BECAUSE ITS IN THE TITTLE WHEN WE HAVE LESS THAN 10% CONTENT LOL , LOL GOOD IDEA - and thats how one of the worst FPS came into being
kripter MAC L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 1	Posted - 2013.10.13 12:58:00 - [44] - Quote I never said anything about resetting score now. Nor am I complaining about the scores not being reset. I am trying to figure out why some people are defending the fact that when dust 514 was advertised and was actively seeking new players from PSN the playing field was not leveled . New players without a clue got smashed to a point of deleting the game before seeing its potential. I stuck around... Still unsure why as this community is extremely hard to break into . It's full of closed minded "beta" players who feel they have earned the right to deter new players by smashing their faces. It's okay though I'm sure they all HTFU and went yo a new game lol. I am at 5 months and 9.5 mil sp. I do find my determination a little annoying but at least I won't have to spend real dollars on aurum soon as I'll have everything I need for PC.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 412	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:07:00 - [45] - Quote there was a respec on full release they're was also a full character reset 2 weeks before the transition from closed beta to open beta..everyone lost thier sp and isk and had all aur refunded and aur items converted back to currency..i believe that was early in jan..then the game went open and then at uprising 1.0 there was a respec
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 412	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:08:00 - [46] - Quote the score count and sp currently starts i wanna say January 13th but im not sure dont really remember
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 197	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:11:00 - [47] - Quote kripter MAC wrote: I have been playing for almost 5 months now and it has been one hell of a grind to become competitive. My one question is why didn't sp get reset at release? If a game is released and advertised as new why did new players run into a proto wall of vet players with 15m sp? I didn't give up. I continue to get better everyday but I will never be able to close the gap. I haven't noticed it in pub matches as I can clean up. PC on the other hand is full of maxed out characters with infinite wallets. Any thoughts? Was it some sick marketing ploy to make new players think they could actually close the gap using real money? Any thoughts? How do newer players exist in new Eden ? We have several players with half my current SP and out perform me in PC's.. Most of the vet's have become complacent.. and a new upstart tryhard will even put the most seasoned vet in their place.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 350	Posted - 2013.10.13 16:18:00 - [48] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: At 5 months you should be at 6 million points or so if you set your character to passive, 6 million is competitive enough. Ugh. 6 million is enough if you know EXACTLY what you need to spec into and waste NOTHING. Not only that, but 5 months just to get competitive? AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT I had time for that... I've never used my boosters yet. Saving for next event
Palatinate Inner Hell 49	Posted - 2013.10.13 16:39:00 - [49] - Quote Fist Groinpunch wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Played ya today. You might have the SP to be competitive, but definitely not the Gun game Always wanted to know what your primary fit was. Care to share? He doesn't run Gallente and stack armor plates like most noobs nowadays.
Ghost Kaisar Pradox One 506	Posted - 2013.10.13 18:16:00 - [50] - Quote Palatinate wrote: Fist Groinpunch wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Played ya today. You might have the SP to be competitive, but definitely not the Gun game Always wanted to know what your primary fit was. Care to share? He doesn't run Gallente and stack armor plates like most noobs nowadays. Or Dual Tank CK.0 with Duvolle. Like a LOT of people I see. Running scout is the ultimate challenge. Can you take down a guy with almost 3x the eHP you have? Odds are so stacked against you it's not even funny.

Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 168	Posted - 2013.10.13 18:57:00 - [51] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: So now, SP reset isn't equal to respec? LOL huh? facepalm A reset is having yoir sp set back to 500000. A respec is being able to realocate all the sp you have.
Athene Alland Red Fox Brigade 111	Posted - 2013.10.13 19:08:00 - [52] - Quote I seem to remember that the last reset was when Dust transitioned to Tranquility and became part of New Eden,.. It seemed that CCP policy was that there are no SP resets on TQ, for both Eve and Dust players, the only respecs are usually due to changes in the skill trees, but SP are never taken back in this server. Of course I could be remembering this wrong, or CCP may have changed their minds. - 'Ad Mortis Nos Tripudio' -
Sylwester Dziewiecki Beyond Hypothetical Box 190	Posted - 2013.10.13 19:17:00 - [53] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: Last skill reset was 2 weeks before Open Beta(...) Exactly. kripter MAC wrote: I never said anything about resetting score now. Nor am I complaining about the scores not being reset. I am trying to figure out why some people are defending the fact that when dust 514 was advertised and was actively seeking new players from PSN the playing field was not leveled . New players without a clue got smashed to a point of deleting the game before seeing its potential. I stuck around... Still unsure why as this community is extremely hard to break into . It's full of closed minded "beta" players who feel they have earned the right to deter new players by smashing their faces. It's okay though I'm sure they all HTFU and went yo a new game lol. I am at 5 months and 9.5 mil sp. I do find my determination a little annoying but at least I won't have to spend real dollars on aurum soon as I'll have everything I need for PC. That last skill reset 2 weeks before Open Beta was reward for every player that waste his time to test this game and make it better one. When you started playing it I've played it for a year. On each build I gave up CCP feedback on what I would like to change, what in my opinion is broke or require balance - I was here for every build, even when it was completely unplayable - it's called beta testing. It seems to me that the players loyal to the game deserved for such reward like 'last reset 2 weeks before Open Beta'. It was not hard to get in to close beta, we had severals events for people that really, want to play DUST had a chance to get in, and become beta testers. And now stop worrying that someone has more SP then you. This game is moving in the direction of where your attitude determines whether on the field you a better player, it's not about your SP.


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