I doubt any "respec" will be offered if they add new weapons.

I don't think they should. Just start saving some SP on the side for the future. CCP shouldn't have to deal with faulty planning on the part of the player base...

and seriously... why do people keep calling it "Respect" it's Re-Specialization ie. Respec (or am I totally wrong here?)

I doubt any "respec" will be offered if they add new weapons.

I don't think they should. Just start saving some SP on the side for the future. CCP shouldn't have to deal with faulty planning on the part of the player base...

and seriously... why do people keep calling it "Respect" it's Re-Specialization ie. Respec (or am I totally wrong here?)

Was thinking since we never got placeholders, the light weapon branch should get a respec allocated to it, am sure a lot of caldari/matari players will use their racial weapon as opposed to AR (maybe other people as well? :O).

Kinda seems fair, maybe even restrict the respect so points can only go into the new weapons or whatever. The long and short of it is, gonna suck having Ms of SP in weapons that wont be touched anymore, entirely at the fault of CCP not giving placeholders.

Thoughts?

Let your SP pool instead of spending like a drunken sailor.

New weapons =/= complete overhaul of vehicles.

I doubt any "respec" will be offered if they add new weapons.

I don't think they should. Just start saving some SP on the side for the future. CCP shouldn't have to deal with faulty planning on the part of the player base...

and seriously... why do people keep calling it "Respect" it's Re-Specialization ie. Respec (or am I totally wrong here?)

Was thinking since we never got placeholders, the light weapon branch should get a respec allocated to it, am sure a lot of caldari/matari players will use their racial weapon as opposed to AR (maybe other people as well? :O).

Kinda seems fair, maybe even restrict the respect so points can only go into the new weapons or whatever. The long and short of it is, gonna suck having Ms of SP in weapons that wont be touched anymore, entirely at the fault of CCP not giving placeholders.

Thoughts?

Aren't vehicles going to be refunded? At least partially?

Edit:Also, I'd be fine with letting pilots change their vehicle once they are released.

Aren't vehicles going to be refunded? At least partially?

Edit:Also, I'd be fine with letting pilots change their vehicle once they are released.

To be honest if you start saving your SP now you will be able to get the proto variant of whatever weapon you think is coming out in 1.6

you get all the SP and ISK back.

Isn't that a respec?

Or 1.7

Urrrgh. There should only be refunds, not respecs. When they remove something, you get all the SP and ISK back. That's it and all there should ever be.

Any EVE pilot that has been around can agree with me on that. When they removed the learning skills, everyone was refunded not respeced.

Besides, everyone knows that the ex-tankers will be roflstomped into oblivion if they go infantry. :>

Or 1.8

I don't think they should. Just start saving some SP on the side for the future. CCP shouldn't have to deal with faulty planning on the part of the player base...

Let your SP pool instead of spending like a drunken sailor.

New weapons =/= complete overhaul of vehicles.

It is better to be a surprised pessimist than a disappointed optimist.

f**k no! only tankers get respecs!

No. That's a refund for something that is removed. Respec means that everything is given back to you so you may spend them again. We had a respec once. Refunds are acceptable by me, as that is fair for taking things out. Respecs are not, as nothing is removed to warrant a full return of everything.

Vehicle users that get SP back for the vehicles removed- that's fine. Refund.

Infantry getting respec'd because a weapon changes (but is not removed) is not. Now, if they REMOVED the gun, then that calls for a refund.

Besides, everyone knows that the ex-tankers will be roflstomped into oblivion if they go infantry. :>

Added note: Armored Core: Verdict Day is pretty gnarly and is an enjoyable alternative to Dust 514, if anyone is wondering.

Isn't that a respec?

This is why I quit playing DUST 514. I just troll the forums now. I see some of the "NO RESPC!" crowd are changing their tune now that they are affected. I am enjoying this. I am also enjoying much better games. I may come back and play DUST 514 but I will never spend another dime on a CCP game again. The freeloaders have it right.

I doubt any "respec" will be offered if they add new weapons.

I don't think they should. Just start saving some SP on the side for the future. CCP shouldn't have to deal with faulty planning on the part of the player base...

and seriously... why do people keep calling it "Respect" it's Re-Specialization ie. Respec (or am I totally wrong here?)

Best thing is to pool as mentioned.

That and never count on getting anything back.

It is better to be a surprised pessimist than a disappointed optimist.

The issue isn't going to be things completely removed, it's that they are completely overhauling vehicles suits and weapons .... as i've said seeing as the current AR is Gallente when the other racial variants come in things like the TAC are likely to be removed because gallente weaps are short ranged high dps weaps .. you see they wont be removed completely but they will have certain general variants removed .. if you want to use a weapon like the TAC you;ll have to go Caldari .. but sadly the current variant is Gallente so the TAC variant has been moved to another skill tree completely ... you seem to be under the impression that all the current variants and weapons will remain in the game untouched .. they wont ...

do you really think it'd take over a year before adding the racial variants if it was as simple as just adding to what they currently have ? Moving variants of current items into new tree's is no different to removing somethign from the game .. it's something you skilled into that has been moved somewhere else .. how anyone can say decisions matter when things like this happen is beyond me

Do you see the point I'm making here ?

I would like poke CCP Wolfman about getting the new AV stats out but they're more wip than the vehicle stats are.

What about us dropship pilots? Do we get a respec?

CCP has continuously trolled us by messing with the camera on the ship and by even buffing AV.

f**k no! only tankers get respecs!

The only comment I read by a Dev said that SP Respec was on the Table for Discussion Only regarding the vehicle balancing act of undetermined delivery date. Nothing related to SP was being committed to. Period.

So, please Mercs, Tankers, Amarr Light Suit Hopefuls and everybody else. Lighten up or quit. There are no published plans to make the game more reasonable than EVE and EVE has always been notoriously unreasonable.

Patience is the only solution here. If they give anything to anybody they will announce it. Then when it is released and it matches the description I will believe it. Until then. No gonna do it.

But, I am definitely not trusting CCP/Shanghai to do either the right thing nor any logical thing. They have a tradition to follow and why would I expect them to break the mold established in UpRising 1.1?

Ha! why are tankers so special?
Dropsuits are in a very similar situation where a vast majority of the content they plan to release has not been released.

This guy is right

This is not true in DUST 514. All Racial Roles are not represented in the existing classes or weapon types. This forces some players to spec into a Racial Variant simply because they didn't have a choice. By not offering at least a partial respec for players in these situations, CCP would only adding insult to injury.

No. That's a refund for something that is removed. Respec means that everything is given back to you so you may spend them again. We had a respec once. Refunds are acceptable by me, as that is fair for taking things out. Respecs are not, as nothing is removed to warrant a full return of everything.

Vehicle users that get SP back for the vehicles removed- that's fine. Refund.

Infantry getting respec'd because a weapon changes (but is not removed) is not. Now, if they REMOVED the gun, then that calls for a refund.

Besides, everyone knows that the ex-tankers will be roflstomped into oblivion if they go infantry. :>

Added note: Armored Core: Verdict Day is pretty gnarly and is an enjoyable alternative to Dust 514, if anyone is wondering.

I have a quite nice reserve of SP thank you, thats not the point or even relevant.

Justify it then !

Why didn't all tankers 'pool' all their SP and not spec into anything ?

I've seen ppl say no respecs at all even for heavys who have only ever had 1 suit to spec into, why should tankers be the only ones to get a partial respec ?

People saying no is fine it's an opinion but at least explain WHY you have come to that conclusion, nothing is more childish than saying .. No ... No .. No ... if you don't back up your point then it isn't worth anything

no, he said 'when something is changed'. a skill tree or a skill itself.

Ha! why are tankers so special?
Dropsuits are in a very similar situation where a vast majority of the content they plan to release has not been released.

I doubt any "respec" will be offered if they add new weapons.

I don't think they should. Just start saving some SP on the side for the future. CCP shouldn't have to deal with faulty planning on the part of the player base...

and seriously... why do people keep calling it "Respect" it's Re-Specialization ie. Respec (or am I totally wrong here?)

Tankers are usually more intelligent because they have to worry about more things. It requires total situational awareness at all times, plus a play style heavily geared towards a more defensive style to not get blown up.

Using a crutch certainly is difficult, this thread is in regards to light weapons not vehicles re-read the OP.

So you feel it's not reasonable tankers should get a respec because every single thing about vehicles is going to be changed, but it is reasonable to want a respec to get a new suit when it's released?

I'm not sorry to inform you that he is completely wrong saying there should only be refunds.

When EVE first began, was there a Frigate for every race? Did EVE start with a rookie ship for each race, 3 Racial Frigates, and 2 Racial Cruisers?

The answer is an emphatic no!

This is not true in DUST 514. All Racial Roles are not represented in the existing classes or weapon types. This forces some players to spec into a Racial Variant simply because they didn't have a choice. By not offering at least a partial respec for players in these situations, CCP would only adding insult to injury.

Respecs should definitely be given with the filling in of Racial Variants for existing Dropsuit/Vehicile Classes/Roles and Weapon Types.

Respecs should not be given with the addition of completely new Dropsuit/Vehicile Classes/Roles or Weapon Types, unless these new classes/roles/types are not initially added with all Racial Variants.

In eve you can raise several accounts with full sp without even playing, or you just buy one from another player. In short yout point is null and void, beside that eve is an mmorpg with stable playerbase, dust is a f2p lobby shooter where playercount at primetime decreases by 500 per month.

If you didn't want to be a Heavy or a HAV driver or a dropship pilot or a logistics, then you made a wrong decision ... if you skilled something that's FOTM, OP or not working as intended and needs balancing/changing for the good of the game then tuff, save up for the next FOTM using the points you farmed with this one, or start using it how it was intended.

NO to respecs ...

YES to Re-allocations !!

There that's confused you all ... basically when racial variants come out you are given the option to move ALL your invested sp in say Amarr Heavy dropsuits into one of the other racial Heavy dropsuits ... or move all your Caldari HAV skills points into Minmatar HAV.

No need for refunds or respecs ... just need a UI setup like the attribute remap in Eve with sliders to drop points off a Heavy skill and put onto a different Heavy skill or off an AR skill onto another AR skill as and when racial variants are released.

If you didn't want to be a Heavy or a HAV driver or a dropship pilot or a logistics, then you made a wrong decision ... if you skilled something that's FOTM, OP or not working as intended and needs balancing/changing for the good of the game then tuff, save up for the next FOTM using the points you farmed with this one, or start using it how it was intended.

I know right, it's not like vehicles are being removed, skills are being drastically altered or removed, manditory skills are being added, and AV is getting a complete "balance pass"

It's almost as if when our decisions were made, they had nothing to do with CCPs sweeping changes.

Wow, figure that.

That would be fine, I dont want a respec to switch to a diff suit/weapon i just want to be able to reallocate the sp i have invested into the only current AR variant into a caldari variant of the same weapon when it is introduced and im sure heavies feel the same, they have been forced to go down the amarr suit route because they havent had any other option since the game was 1st introduced and most heavies would like to reallocate the sp into the variant of suit they wanted in the 1st place .. this really goes for all current weapons suits vehicles .. the whole FoTM issue is one entirely derived from CCP nnot balancing everything properley .. I've played mmo's for over a decade and when things are balanced their isn;t ever an issue of FoTM .. it's only an issue here because certain weapons/suits etc are stronger than other suits/weapons

I went logistics dropship pilot for PC matches full bore with Uprising, then had a legitimate anxiety attack after two weeks of doing everything I possibly could to make them work and burning through nearly 100 million ISK from my year in the Beta

Don't ******* talk to me about skilling into **** because I want to kill things

I think everyone should get only one respec. That way, nobody will QQ. I'm still with my first character I ever created and effed around with the skills. That means I have some skills allocated where I now know I won't ever use. I've never once had a respectable since I joined in June and, personally, I don't even care about getting one. If you want to ditch anything you already have, start from scratch to specialize in whatever it is you want. This way, new players will stand more if a chance. Maybe. Point is: it's just a game, so just spend more time on it paying to earn those new shiny things. It's not like you haven't done so already. Babies.

TL; DR: Stop being a baby and deal with not having a respec. One is enough.

-- snip -- I burned through 120 mil isk at the same time cos the Amarr Logistics suit didn't work at anything but proto level. But I brought it up on the forums n they fixed it ... people have brought up many problems with vehicles, so they're fixing them ... your logi dropship will do what it's supposed to do by the time they come back, until then you'll still have a dropship you can fly ... n if that's not what you wanted ... refer to my previous post !

What i think its BS that ONLY tankers get a respec.
I have Fully Proto AV and im pretty sure vehicle changes affect AV weaponry AND AV weaponry will get tweaked too.

So Respec for EVERYONE, or for no one.

This, no to respecs; but just tankers because we have a vehicle redo.
Or : No Respecs ; unless my AR gets nerfed.

ITS BULLS**t

Give us ALL repecs options until CCP gets everything out and balaced.

In eve you can raise several accounts with full sp without even playing, or you just buy one from another player. In short yout point is null and void, beside that eve is an mmorpg with stable playerbase, dust is a f2p lobby shooter where playercount at primetime decreases by 500 per month.

Sorry the last paragraph wasn't specifically aimed at you, I ment generally people who use FOTM stuff.

I burned through 120 mil isk at the same time cos the Amarr Logistics suit didn't work at anything but proto level. But I brought it up on the forums n they fixed it ... people have brought up many problems with vehicles, so they're fixing them ... your logi dropship will do what it's supposed to do by the time they come back, until then you'll still have a dropship you can fly ... n if that's not what you wanted ... refer to my previous post !

I think everyone should get only one respec. That way, nobody will QQ. I'm still with my first character I ever created and effed around with the skills. That means I have some skills allocated where I now know I won't ever use. I've never once had a respectable since I joined in June and, personally, I don't even care about getting one. If you want to ditch anything you already have, start from scratch to specialize in whatever it is you want. This way, new players will stand more if a chance. Maybe. Point is: it's just a game, so just spend more time on it paying to earn those new shiny things. It's not like you haven't done so already. Babies.

TL; DR: Stop being a baby and deal with not having a respec. One is enough.

Have you read what the current plan is? I mean really read the entire post from the Devs?

They are fixing vehicles by removing all the ADV vehicles. They are gone. The STD vehicles will have significantly Less functionality than the current version. As in they are losing low and high slots. PG, CPU and HP. The tanks are being redesigned to be an 'empty husk' that will be very fragile until the super special new modules that last 1/3 the time compared to current while requiring significantly more time to recharge (2-3 times). So run in fast, push the modules, hammer away for 20 seconds and run like your life depends on it. Because it will. Then spend several minutes back at base recharging, restocking ammo and waiting for the very limited functionality that CCP/Shanghai believes Tanks should be restricted to will be available. And, no, we don't know what the significantly reduced roles that are supported by CCP/Shanghai because we have nothing to work with. Except a few google docs and they are what put the twist in vehicle owners knickers.

Now consider the DS pilots. Fragile bricks that are difficult to fly* and provide next to nothing for rewards for using them. The only ships worth using are being removed. They will, no doubt, suffer the very same fate as the Tanks. LLAVs are gone as well.

There is not only no time frame for this balancing act but there is no time frame as to when the functionality will be replaced. If ever as there is no guarantees with CCP. Decisions have consequences. And do they ever when CCP refuses to behave like a freaking grown up.

Thanks for the time you put in because we just destroyed your character. Start a different one because your SP is locked into something we destroyed. With a very special HTFU from CCP!



* Why would anybody make the DS such a piece of Kitten Excrement to fly? It is the worst possible method to use for flight controls and it absolutely inconsistent with the rest of New Eden. Recall that EVE is basically a spread sheet. And flying means click and point, but down in the DUST the DS uses horrible controls that make no sense. Plus a constantly changing camera view that is only changeable by the Devs, not the operator. Classic CCP/Shanghai, now that I think of it.

That's because Uprising was deployed before June, and with it came an optional total respec, or account reset.