f**k no! only tankers get respecs!

No. That's a refund for something that is removed. Respec means that everything is given back to you so you may spend them again. We had a respec once. Refunds are acceptable by me, as that is fair for taking things out. Respecs are not, as nothing is removed to warrant a full return of everything.

Vehicle users that get SP back for the vehicles removed- that's fine. Refund.

Infantry getting respec'd because a weapon changes (but is not removed) is not. Now, if they REMOVED the gun, then that calls for a refund.

Besides, everyone knows that the ex-tankers will be roflstomped into oblivion if they go infantry. :>

Added note: Armored Core: Verdict Day is pretty gnarly and is an enjoyable alternative to Dust 514, if anyone is wondering.

Isn't that a respec?

This is why I quit playing DUST 514. I just troll the forums now. I see some of the "NO RESPC!" crowd are changing their tune now that they are affected. I am enjoying this. I am also enjoying much better games. I may come back and play DUST 514 but I will never spend another dime on a CCP game again. The freeloaders have it right.

I doubt any "respec" will be offered if they add new weapons.

I don't think they should. Just start saving some SP on the side for the future. CCP shouldn't have to deal with faulty planning on the part of the player base...

and seriously... why do people keep calling it "Respect" it's Re-Specialization ie. Respec (or am I totally wrong here?)

Best thing is to pool as mentioned.

That and never count on getting anything back.

It is better to be a surprised pessimist than a disappointed optimist.

The issue isn't going to be things completely removed, it's that they are completely overhauling vehicles suits and weapons .... as i've said seeing as the current AR is Gallente when the other racial variants come in things like the TAC are likely to be removed because gallente weaps are short ranged high dps weaps .. you see they wont be removed completely but they will have certain general variants removed .. if you want to use a weapon like the TAC you;ll have to go Caldari .. but sadly the current variant is Gallente so the TAC variant has been moved to another skill tree completely ... you seem to be under the impression that all the current variants and weapons will remain in the game untouched .. they wont ...

do you really think it'd take over a year before adding the racial variants if it was as simple as just adding to what they currently have ? Moving variants of current items into new tree's is no different to removing somethign from the game .. it's something you skilled into that has been moved somewhere else .. how anyone can say decisions matter when things like this happen is beyond me

Do you see the point I'm making here ?

I would like poke CCP Wolfman about getting the new AV stats out but they're more wip than the vehicle stats are.

What about us dropship pilots? Do we get a respec?

CCP has continuously trolled us by messing with the camera on the ship and by even buffing AV.

f**k no! only tankers get respecs!

The only comment I read by a Dev said that SP Respec was on the Table for Discussion Only regarding the vehicle balancing act of undetermined delivery date. Nothing related to SP was being committed to. Period.

So, please Mercs, Tankers, Amarr Light Suit Hopefuls and everybody else. Lighten up or quit. There are no published plans to make the game more reasonable than EVE and EVE has always been notoriously unreasonable.

Patience is the only solution here. If they give anything to anybody they will announce it. Then when it is released and it matches the description I will believe it. Until then. No gonna do it.

But, I am definitely not trusting CCP/Shanghai to do either the right thing nor any logical thing. They have a tradition to follow and why would I expect them to break the mold established in UpRising 1.1?

Ha! why are tankers so special?
Dropsuits are in a very similar situation where a vast majority of the content they plan to release has not been released.

This guy is right

This is not true in DUST 514. All Racial Roles are not represented in the existing classes or weapon types. This forces some players to spec into a Racial Variant simply because they didn't have a choice. By not offering at least a partial respec for players in these situations, CCP would only adding insult to injury.

No. That's a refund for something that is removed. Respec means that everything is given back to you so you may spend them again. We had a respec once. Refunds are acceptable by me, as that is fair for taking things out. Respecs are not, as nothing is removed to warrant a full return of everything.

Vehicle users that get SP back for the vehicles removed- that's fine. Refund.

Infantry getting respec'd because a weapon changes (but is not removed) is not. Now, if they REMOVED the gun, then that calls for a refund.

Besides, everyone knows that the ex-tankers will be roflstomped into oblivion if they go infantry. :>

Added note: Armored Core: Verdict Day is pretty gnarly and is an enjoyable alternative to Dust 514, if anyone is wondering.

I have a quite nice reserve of SP thank you, thats not the point or even relevant.

Justify it then !

Why didn't all tankers 'pool' all their SP and not spec into anything ?

I've seen ppl say no respecs at all even for heavys who have only ever had 1 suit to spec into, why should tankers be the only ones to get a partial respec ?

People saying no is fine it's an opinion but at least explain WHY you have come to that conclusion, nothing is more childish than saying .. No ... No .. No ... if you don't back up your point then it isn't worth anything

no, he said 'when something is changed'. a skill tree or a skill itself.

Ha! why are tankers so special?
Dropsuits are in a very similar situation where a vast majority of the content they plan to release has not been released.

I doubt any "respec" will be offered if they add new weapons.

I don't think they should. Just start saving some SP on the side for the future. CCP shouldn't have to deal with faulty planning on the part of the player base...

and seriously... why do people keep calling it "Respect" it's Re-Specialization ie. Respec (or am I totally wrong here?)

Tankers are usually more intelligent because they have to worry about more things. It requires total situational awareness at all times, plus a play style heavily geared towards a more defensive style to not get blown up.

Using a crutch certainly is difficult, this thread is in regards to light weapons not vehicles re-read the OP.

So you feel it's not reasonable tankers should get a respec because every single thing about vehicles is going to be changed, but it is reasonable to want a respec to get a new suit when it's released?

I'm not sorry to inform you that he is completely wrong saying there should only be refunds.

When EVE first began, was there a Frigate for every race? Did EVE start with a rookie ship for each race, 3 Racial Frigates, and 2 Racial Cruisers?

The answer is an emphatic no!

This is not true in DUST 514. All Racial Roles are not represented in the existing classes or weapon types. This forces some players to spec into a Racial Variant simply because they didn't have a choice. By not offering at least a partial respec for players in these situations, CCP would only adding insult to injury.

Respecs should definitely be given with the filling in of Racial Variants for existing Dropsuit/Vehicile Classes/Roles and Weapon Types.

Respecs should not be given with the addition of completely new Dropsuit/Vehicile Classes/Roles or Weapon Types, unless these new classes/roles/types are not initially added with all Racial Variants.

In eve you can raise several accounts with full sp without even playing, or you just buy one from another player. In short yout point is null and void, beside that eve is an mmorpg with stable playerbase, dust is a f2p lobby shooter where playercount at primetime decreases by 500 per month.