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Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 405	Posted - 2013.10.12 01:02:00 - [1] - Quote Was thinking since we never got placeholders, the light weapon branch should get a respec allocated to it, am sure a lot of caldari/matari players will use their racial weapon as opposed to AR (maybe other people as well? :O). Kinda seems fair, maybe even restrict the respect so points can only go into the new weapons or whatever. The long and short of it is, gonna suck having Ms of SP in weapons that wont be touched anymore, entirely at the fault of CCP not giving placeholders. Thoughts?
Guildo Crow ZionTCD 136	Posted - 2013.10.12 01:07:00 - [2] - Quote I doubt any "respec" will be offered if they add new weapons. I don't think they should. Just start saving some SP on the side for the future. CCP shouldn't have to deal with faulty planning on the part of the player base... and seriously... why do people keep calling it "Respect" it's Re-Specialization ie. Respec (or am I totally wrong here?)
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2091	Posted - 2013.10.12 01:12:00 - [3] - Quote Guildo Crow wrote: I doubt any "respec" will be offered if they add new weapons. I don't think they should. Just start saving some SP on the side for the future. CCP shouldn't have to deal with faulty planning on the part of the player base... and seriously... why do people keep calling it "Respect" it's Re-Specialization ie. Respec (or am I totally wrong here?) Respec is right, those guys are just idiots Anyway in defense of a respec he does have a point that at a certain point we should get another since some people are forced into spending points into something thats not a correct fit for them with the only alternative being not spending points at all such as all heavies being forced into amarr suits for the playstyles Now Im not saying everyone should get a respec every time something new is added but one more when all the racial stuff is finally available seems reasonable to me although the rate things are going that might be sometime in 2015 if we are lucky
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 102	Posted - 2013.10.12 02:00:00 - [4] - Quote Guildo Crow wrote: I doubt any "respec" will be offered if they add new weapons. I don't think they should. Just start saving some SP on the side for the future. CCP shouldn't have to deal with faulty planning on the part of the player base... and seriously... why do people keep calling it "Respect" it's Re-Specialization ie. Respec (or am I totally wrong here?) Seeing as the current AR variants are actually just general Gallente ones I disagree with you .. I'd be surprised if they are even still in the game when racial variants are added .. we aren;t talking about the addition of extra content here .. racial variants are actually basic content they haven;t added to the game yet, just like vehicles ... there is only 1 Heavy suit .. 1 ... heavy users either have to have stuck to miltia since BETA or spec into the 1 and only option available to them .. PS Its actually faulty planning on behalf of CCP for not adding basic content that has led to the current situation obviously you have 20m SP and have specced your main loadout fully and have nothing else to spec into so have sp to spare and are fully specced into Proto but asking heavy users to stick to miltia for a year because they may add racial variants at some point in the future is just dumb Racial variants is going to actually add more content than we currently have in game, we arent talking 1 new weapon or 1 new suit ..we are talking 4 suits of each type 4 weapons of each type 4 vehicles of each type as well as x all that by the 3 tiers too ... I've never cared for a respec but in a situation like this I believe a partial respec to return sp invested in weapons/suits/vehicles is a must
Clips A'hoy The Generals EoN. 46	Posted - 2013.10.12 02:46:00 - [5] - Quote I agree there should be a "partial" if not full respec as tankers are getting a "nerf", or so they say. The reason being you only have two choices, AR (the most popular) or the ScR. Neither of which some players didn't want to pick to begin with but had to make a avoidance-avoidance choice. I for one being an Amarr loyalist and a true Ammatar do desire to RP as one... A loyalist and a full Matari (except for their ideals, of course). That being the case it should also be established for when the other racial suits come along. It would undoubtedly be an inevitable reason, which from my understanding, most will agree.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1824	Posted - 2013.10.12 02:49:00 - [6] - Quote No respecs. Stop looking for reasons to get a respec. You are not getting a respec.
Rowdy Railgunner TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 62	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:01:00 - [7] - Quote Until all suits and main weapons are introduced we should get respects with every new patch. Optional ofcourse. Look at heavies. If you want to be a heavy you get one suit and 2 weapons. What if you don't even like those things once the other heavy suits and weapons are introduced? Look at scouts. They are forced between 2 races. Look at the pics of the new guns coming out. I specced AR because I liked the TAR. I used it in chrom and I still use it today. Back then they said that the TAR was a placeholder for the caldari rail rifle. Now they are saying it is not. So when I spec into rail rifles I will have millions of SP invested in a weapon system that I might not want. DUST is still in BETA. 514 is meant to be May 2014. Not May 14, 2013. We are still 7 months away from this game actually being what the devs want it to be. Every new addition until all the races have their gear should come with a respec. Simple as that.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1165	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:11:00 - [8] - Quote I support a SP reallocation from one Rifle to another once we get get them all. I also support this for my heavy bros. Those guys have been waiting for awhile.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1009	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:13:00 - [9] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Was thinking since we never got placeholders, the light weapon branch should get a respec allocated to it, am sure a lot of caldari/matari players will use their racial weapon as opposed to AR (maybe other people as well? :O). Kinda seems fair, maybe even restrict the respect so points can only go into the new weapons or whatever. The long and short of it is, gonna suck having Ms of SP in weapons that wont be touched anymore, entirely at the fault of CCP not giving placeholders. Thoughts? Let your SP pool instead of spending like a drunken sailor. New weapons =/= complete overhaul of vehicles.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1165	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:16:00 - [10] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Obodiah Garro wrote: Was thinking since we never got placeholders, the light weapon branch should get a respec allocated to it, am sure a lot of caldari/matari players will use their racial weapon as opposed to AR (maybe other people as well? :O). Kinda seems fair, maybe even restrict the respect so points can only go into the new weapons or whatever. The long and short of it is, gonna suck having Ms of SP in weapons that wont be touched anymore, entirely at the fault of CCP not giving placeholders. Thoughts? Let your SP pool instead of spending like a drunken sailor. New weapons =/= complete overhaul of vehicles. Aren't vehicles going to be refunded? At least partially? Edit:Also, I'd be fine with letting pilots change their vehicle once they are released.

Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards 228	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:36:00 - [11] - Quote A respec sbould be when all (or at least most) of the content is out and CCP isn't drastically changeing stats. But giving outa respec cause your getting new content isn't a good idea. We should get a respec after the vehicle changes and the racial variants of the suit and AR. And I don't think the original plan was to have a racial variant for every suit. Think about it. In closed and even open beta the suit's race was tied to its role. Gallente were scouts, Amar were beavies, Caldari were assault, and Minmatar were logistics. I honestly think going racial was a more recent thing CCP decided to do, so i don't consider CCP being punctual a solid reason to why we don't have all the racial variants yet, but then again i could be wrong and CCP could have just made themselves look worse then they already do.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 666	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:38:00 - [12] - Quote Guildo Crow wrote: I doubt any "respec" will be offered if they add new weapons. I don't think they should. Just start saving some SP on the side for the future. CCP shouldn't have to deal with faulty planning on the part of the player base... and seriously... why do people keep calling it "Respect" it's Re-Specialization ie. Respec (or am I totally wrong here?) autocorrect on the spelling makes it 'respect'
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 667	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:40:00 - [13] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Was thinking since we never got placeholders, the light weapon branch should get a respec allocated to it, am sure a lot of caldari/matari players will use their racial weapon as opposed to AR (maybe other people as well? :O). Kinda seems fair, maybe even restrict the respect so points can only go into the new weapons or whatever. The long and short of it is, gonna suck having Ms of SP in weapons that wont be touched anymore, entirely at the fault of CCP not giving placeholders. Thoughts? I think it would be really unfair to give a guy like me a full respec.
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards 228	Posted - 2013.10.12 03:45:00 - [14] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Obodiah Garro wrote: Was thinking since we never got placeholders, the light weapon branch should get a respec allocated to it, am sure a lot of caldari/matari players will use their racial weapon as opposed to AR (maybe other people as well? :O). Kinda seems fair, maybe even restrict the respect so points can only go into the new weapons or whatever. The long and short of it is, gonna suck having Ms of SP in weapons that wont be touched anymore, entirely at the fault of CCP not giving placeholders. Thoughts? Let your SP pool instead of spending like a drunken sailor. New weapons =/= complete overhaul of vehicles. Aren't vehicles going to be refunded? At least partially? Edit:Also, I'd be fine with letting pilots change their vehicle once they are released. if we weren't that would be the biggest **** slap CCP has given to any particular group of Dust 514 players ever.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1130	Posted - 2013.10.12 04:20:00 - [15] - Quote f**k no! only tankers get respecs!
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1009	Posted - 2013.10.12 04:28:00 - [16] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Obodiah Garro wrote: Was thinking since we never got placeholders, the light weapon branch should get a respec allocated to it, am sure a lot of caldari/matari players will use their racial weapon as opposed to AR (maybe other people as well? :O). Kinda seems fair, maybe even restrict the respect so points can only go into the new weapons or whatever. The long and short of it is, gonna suck having Ms of SP in weapons that wont be touched anymore, entirely at the fault of CCP not giving placeholders. Thoughts? Let your SP pool instead of spending like a drunken sailor. New weapons =/= complete overhaul of vehicles. Aren't vehicles going to be refunded? At least partially? Edit:Also, I'd be fine with letting pilots change their vehicle once they are released. They haven't confirmed what they're doing.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 494	Posted - 2013.10.12 04:31:00 - [17] - Quote To be honest if you start saving your SP now you will be able to get the proto variant of whatever weapon you think is coming out in 1.6
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 613	Posted - 2013.10.12 04:39:00 - [18] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: To be honest if you start saving your SP now you will be able to get the proto variant of whatever weapon you think is coming out in 1.6 Or 1.7
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 427	Posted - 2013.10.12 05:38:00 - [19] - Quote Urrrgh. There should only be refunds, not respecs. When they remove something, you get all the SP and ISK back. That's it and all there should ever be. Any EVE pilot that has been around can agree with me on that. When they removed the learning skills, everyone was refunded not respeced.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1009	Posted - 2013.10.12 06:08:00 - [20] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: you get all the SP and ISK back. Isn't that a respec?

Kasote Denzara A Vulture 428	Posted - 2013.10.12 06:29:00 - [21] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Isn't that a respec? No. That's a refund for something that is removed. Respec means that everything is given back to you so you may spend them again. We had a respec once. Refunds are acceptable by me, as that is fair for taking things out. Respecs are not, as nothing is removed to warrant a full return of everything. Vehicle users that get SP back for the vehicles removed- that's fine. Refund. Infantry getting respec'd because a weapon changes (but is not removed) is not. Now, if they REMOVED the gun, then that calls for a refund. Besides, everyone knows that the ex-tankers will be roflstomped into oblivion if they go infantry. :> Added note: Armored Core: Verdict Day is pretty gnarly and is an enjoyable alternative to Dust 514, if anyone is wondering.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 115	Posted - 2013.10.12 06:31:00 - [22] - Quote GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: To be honest if you start saving your SP now you will be able to get the proto variant of whatever weapon you think is coming out in 1.6 Or 1.7 Or 1.8
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 263	Posted - 2013.10.12 06:33:00 - [23] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Urrrgh. There should only be refunds, not respecs. When they remove something, you get all the SP and ISK back. That's it and all there should ever be. Any EVE pilot that has been around can agree with me on that. When they removed the learning skills, everyone was refunded not respeced. This guy is right
kagreen Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 6	Posted - 2013.10.12 10:28:00 - [24] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Besides, everyone knows that the ex-tankers will be roflstomped into oblivion if they go infantry. :> This is why I quit playing DUST 514. I just troll the forums now. I see some of the "NO RESPC!" crowd are changing their tune now that they are affected. I am enjoying this. I am also enjoying much better games. I may come back and play DUST 514 but I will never spend another dime on a CCP game again. The freeloaders have it right.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 38	Posted - 2013.10.12 10:33:00 - [25] - Quote Are we talking respect, respect or restecp here :) Seriously though guys, you are supposed to be able to switch roles for what the battlefield requires here..to keep the enemy offbalance or counter their setup - what's all this talk of respect just cus you flavour of the month got nerf-hammered?
Orenji Jiji Seraphim Auxiliaries 262	Posted - 2013.10.12 11:32:00 - [26] - Quote Atiim wrote: GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: To be honest if you start saving your SP now you will be able to get the proto variant of whatever weapon you think is coming out in 1.6 Or 1.7 Or 1.8 Or 1.56 Just because CCP.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 407	Posted - 2013.10.12 11:35:00 - [27] - Quote Guildo Crow wrote: I don't think they should. Just start saving some SP on the side for the future. CCP shouldn't have to deal with faulty planning on the part of the player base... wrong. the fault lies with CCP, they could have easily put placeholders in for everything they had planned for release, we would still use the same gear but our skill points would be in the correct place. A simple transfer of SP isnt a big deal under the circumstances. And yea you caught out a typo, how very james bond of you sir.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 407	Posted - 2013.10.12 11:37:00 - [28] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Obodiah Garro wrote: Was thinking since we never got placeholders, the light weapon branch should get a respec allocated to it, am sure a lot of caldari/matari players will use their racial weapon as opposed to AR (maybe other people as well? :O). Kinda seems fair, maybe even restrict the respect so points can only go into the new weapons or whatever. The long and short of it is, gonna suck having Ms of SP in weapons that wont be touched anymore, entirely at the fault of CCP not giving placeholders. Thoughts? Let your SP pool instead of spending like a drunken sailor. New weapons =/= complete overhaul of vehicles. I have a quite nice reserve of SP thank you, thats not the point or even relevant.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 807	Posted - 2013.10.12 11:40:00 - [29] - Quote Best thing is to pool as mentioned. That and never count on getting anything back. It is better to be a surprised pessimist than a disappointed optimist.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 408	Posted - 2013.10.12 11:44:00 - [30] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: It is better to be a surprised pessimist than a disappointed optimist. The sane man's logic for surviving Dust patches I guess. I know re spec has been a topic brought up a million times, but its been a while since new content, also Ive played Dust from closed beta and my plan to use all 1 racial equipment/weapons hasnt changed. CCP need to be a bit more flexible as the game comes creeping closer to completion imo.



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