"There isn't anything preventing us from doing anything like that, other than focus and prioritization. It's so easy to lose your focus by working on things that are not the most important thing."

"Right now we have a player base and that player base is on the PlayStation 3. They love playing the game, they're giving us fantastic feedback and it's more about sticking with them on this journey, delivering on our mission, rather than to go and try and spread it out over other platforms now.

"Now we're eating our vegetables rather than having dessert," he said, but what if...
"It's a lot of work [doing another version], it's a lot of effort from the dev team which then does not go into delivering features and polishing up the current experience - really our focus is on that.

"It's easy to go and look at all the new shiny things that are coming but we don't want to be doing that. We want to stick to our guns ... there are 80 million PlayStation 3s and we have a free-to-play game; I think there is a massive opportunity in continuing to work on that throughout next year."

"We just haven't decided, It's just as simple as that. It can, technically, be - there's nothing preventing it, it's just not what we're focusing on."

"Now we're eating our vegetables rather than having dessert."

Cool there are 80 million PS3s in the world.....Yet, only about 2000-3000 of those actually play the game.

I'm pretty dam sure porting DUST514 will become a priority for CCP when they see their playerbase on the PS3 all but disappear when the PS4 is released.

The kind of numbers it's attracted since launch aren't known either, nor is P+¬tursson prepared to talk about them. Probably, they're small, but "it has revenue and people are playing", and the game is improving each month depending on their needs. There are even stories worth talking about.

Hilmar P+¬tursson
There's a husband and wife team who pursued different gaming avenues before Dust. He would play Eve and she would play console games. Dust bridged the divide. "She started to play Dust, loved it, built her own alliance in Dust," said P+¬tursson. "Now she has boots on the ground and he has an army in the sky. She's calling the shots and he's delivering them.

"It's those kind of things that we care more about rather than the exact number of people who are playing it, because we know that if we have that passion and we do the updates then the journey is going to take us to whatever numbers will come, just like it did with Eve.

"There were only 30,000 people playing Eve in the beginning, now there's over half-a-million people playing it a decade later. We know how that works. If we stick to our guns, deliver on rapid-fire updates, the game accelerates and progresses so nicely that...

"It's just good to see that we're in that mode. It's a much better mode than before when were just internally developing the game and it wasn't connected to Eve."

Cool there are 80 million PS3s in the world.....Yet, only about 2000-3000 of those actually play the game.

Wrong.

if you average it out to 2000 players as a daily average on at any one time and each players plays for 2 hours on average.

Do the math, its higher than 2000 players.

It's like watching a friend making a terrible mistake that you can't talk them out of.

Anytime SoonGäó at least.



http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-10-01-theres-no-deal-preventing-dust-514-being-on-pc-xbox

So now can we all please just stop with the PS4 threads!

"Right now we have a player base and that player base is on the PlayStation 3. They love playing the game, they're giving us fantastic feedback and it's more about sticking with them on this journey, delivering on our mission, rather than to go and try and spread it out over other platforms now.

Where's the logic in alienating the market that buys stuff like next gen consoles?

Sorry just say that and wondered if CCP ever checked the forums.....

Dropsuits
Vehicles
Weapons
Equipment
PVE

#Dustiskindastale.....

Anytime SoonGäó at least.

Problem is, most folk are skint atm and with stores offering trade in promotions for the next gen consoles most folk will simply do that leaving dust's playerbase even lower than it is now. at least launch a client for ps4, nothing needs changing dramatically just a way to play the game while they look at bringing a port to it eventually

What do you actually think the adoption rate of a new console really is? How long did it take before people stopped buying PS2s?

Also, Hilmar did not say no PS4, he said he is not compelled to do anything right now.

Wrong.

if you average it out to 2000 players as a daily average on at any one time and each players plays for 2 hours on average.

Do the math, its higher than 2000 players.

I'm pretty dam sure porting DUST514 will become a priority for CCP when they see their playerbase on the PS3 all but disappear when the PS4 is released.

What do you actually think the adoption rate of a new console really is? How long did it take before people stopped buying PS2s?

Also, Hilmar did not say no PS4, he said he is not compelled to do anything right now.

I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. You think they are not aware what's happening on their servers and infrastructure? You think they're not having an up to date balance sheet on this project, going beyond financial aspects? You honestly believe, that they'd be pushing this if it was only blood, tears and expenses, like all the forum FUDers want us to believe? Especially now, when they said Sony is no going to kill them over Dust failure or porting away?

I'll be the first guy to say that the content is lacking here. But I also know that you can only go as fast as you can go, not faster. There are no simple solutions to get stuff done in IT if you want it to be done right. Dropping resources at something will actually make it take longer. My favorite quote here is "nine women will not deliver a baby in a month". We're getting there, but slow.

You can play other games besides Dust, you know? It's not your job, you're not contracted to login every day. Just chill elsewhere and let them work. That's what I do. Taking August off (as in offline) did me good.

If we stick to our guns, deliver on rapid-fire updates, the game accelerates and progresses so nicely that...

So, if I get a PS4 I can't play Dust's current incarnation via PSN?

The PS2 like just stopped being manufactured.... lol...

Do you remember when the PS3 came out? the PS2 still had some of the best titles coming out for it..

PS3 isn't going anywhere soon, this is console history since the 1980's... I'm confused where everyone has been.

Next gen console's are pretty much built with computer hardware and like a PC. The development even designed for the next generation console's are completely built for open ended development as stated by both major parties.

It would be simple to port any game hypothetically over to the PS4 under those circumstances, as the PS3 has been one of the hardest system's to develop for in console history.

CCP is renowned for multi-platforming their games, and probably one of the industry's most successful at doing so. That will be their challenge more then simple porting, and throwing an entire platform population away. Running the PS3 and PS4 simultaneously in a year will be more of a challenge then what people are arguing about and probably what they are going to attempt.

The focus right now is to build DUST into a solid game so rapid fire content releases can be smooth with little problems. Then we can worry about taking a solid game and moving it into the next generation market.

DUST went backward's at the start and the CEO has came down hard... Content and addition's to the game with core mechanic's not solid has ended poorly. It is now rebuild time, right from the guy that watches CCP's money investment and the vision of the product. the Executive Producer.

Anyone coming into this project from the "E.P." title will literally have to write down every piece of this game as it is right now, and try to make sense of the scale and balance of it all in the game. And as it can be extremely opinion based we could see the concept's we have known in DUST completely torn down and rebuilt into some big picture.

PS4 games have offered us nothing as gamers but texture packs... and no true gamer trades "pretty" for gameplay and depth and enjoy's it for long. The #1 reason Uprising caused such a mass exodus of players... Graphic's where chosen over gameplay.

PS4 games have offered us nothing as gamers but texture packs... and no true gamer trades "pretty" for gameplay and depth and enjoy's it for long. The #1 reason Uprising caused such a mass exodus of players... Graphic's where chosen over gameplay.

Nope they like stories> playerbase #'s

You have played them all already??? - Cancel the next gen then. Stop making GPU's and CPU's

I thought BF4 will have more players (on console) than before. Deep Down will have ever changing dungeons. Destiny, the Division and even the Crew will offer a similar setup to Dust but with much more immersive and expansive (actual not dots in a madeup galaxy reused on a few maps) digital worlds.

If you are a "true gamer" why spend time on a game where all you need to do is skill up one weapon in a suit with many slots to be vastly superior?

Dust isnt some jewel, its average, so if people want to leave for better looking average or far superior (actual game not hyped promise) that also look amazing why would you try to shame them with your weak argument.

I'm pretty dam sure porting DUST514 will become a priority for CCP when they see their playerbase on the PS3 all but disappear when the PS4 is released.

Yes, because every time a new console has released everyone who has the old one immediately throws away the console and all the games for it to get the new one on day one.

I mean, do you people even think before making these posts? At all?

Any game really could be amazing... CCP has committed to developing this game for the long haul and that's not even something bungee can claim or have a history for.

PS4 pre orders are sold out, you will now struggle to get one before christmas. Some of these people will sell their PS3's to help pay for it. The "not many people will get one at launch" argument just doesn't seem to ring true. 80% of the people on my PSN friends list are getting one. The launch titles are looking strong (much stronger than they did for PS3) the only black mark i can give it so far is the announcement made about compatible headsets. Roll on November.........

Hilmar is a good guy with a funny personality, but he has a history with being out-of-touch with the needs and desires of his associated communities. I assumed that the PS4 version was coming soon and they were just trying to be subtle about it, but with this article it's pretty clear he has no plans and is still in his post-incarna shock where he is too scared to make any critical decisions.

That's a shame. If I hear no announcement at fanfest I will be done with the game.

I don't think porting it to PS4 would be the magic bullet people think it would be anyway.

Graphic whores, graphic whores everywhere

So why with the millions of PS3's out there right now aren't there millions playing this game right now?
Not sure what magic will change these millions of persons minds to all of a sudden start playing DUST on an outdated PS3.

What's their potential audience on the PS3? Well, there were 70 million sold a year ago.

Yep... so if the game moved to the PS4 they'd all start playing because... ?

I think putting it on the PS4 is a fine idea mind you, but... it's silly to think it needs to happen at launch (or the game will die) or within the first year (or the game will die). If Dust dies, the PS4 launch will be an unrelated event. The market share won't be even close to relevant for some time.

I don't think "PS3 graphics" really even rate as one of Dust's issues either. If that were the case, people wouldn't be orgasming over GTA, Beyond Two Souls, Dark Souls 2, etc.

You're not using logic.

Let's assume every single PS4 pre-order that sells is going to hardcore shooter-fan that will absolutely never play anything unless it's PS4/Xbone ever again, because.... mental issues or something. That could be like 1.5 million consoles! Wow, think of all the DUST PLAYERS?!

What's their potential audience on the PS3? Well, there were 70 million sold a year ago.

So, if you compare the two, the pre-order estimate of the PS4 (as of three days ago) is 2% of the current sold number of PS3s. Even if EVERY single pre-order is a current PS3 owner that literally tosses their PS3 in the trash, IT'S STILL ONLY 2%!

Here's an analogy for you: Now, let's imagine for a moment that you're selling lemonade (or danishes, peanuts, whatever) to a crowd of 100 people, but you're frustrated because you think more people should be buying them. Someone says, there's going to be this other group of people you could sell stuff to, and it's huge!!! THERE'S ALREADY 2 PEOPLE THERE!! That's basically how stupid it would be for them to try to fracture their tiny pool of devs to chase a miniscule market.

Even if you want to get a PS4 (and I think it looks like a great console), it's silly to assume that:

A) People buying a PS4 will get rid of a PS3 when the PS4 isn't BC. Some people will trade all their stuff, sure. Those tend to be idiots and kids though (from experience in retail).

B) The majority of the buyers would necessarily be fans of or looking to play some sort of MMO shooter. Even super popular games like Madden and CoD only appeal to a certain segment of the public.

C) That the PS4 market will quickly eclipse an already established console market (math already makes that obvious). Wii, 360, PS3... all of those had big launches where they sold out. They still didn't come close to the numbers of the existing consoles for some time. Do you think the PS2 became unpopular when the PS3 launched? Even with the PS3 frickin SOLD OUT, the PS2 still sold like crazy. It's actually a lot easier for them to sell PS3s when the new stuff is all sold out.

D) That everyone will always want the newest console. From retail experience, other consoles wind up getting a little rush around a launch too. Old consoles often get cheaper when new ones are released, and if you're shopping around you can suddenly find a bluray-player that's super cheap with a giant game library vs. an expensive untested console with a handful of "launch titles" - the latter option is a lot more appealing for many people.

If Dust hasn't made any overtures towards jumping to PC/PS4/Whatever in a couples years, then it'll be an issue.

there are 80 million PlayStation 3s and we have a free-to-play game; I think there is a massive opportunity in continuing to work on that throughout next year."


Anyone else done spending money on this game?

That is my point.

They won't play on either.

Its a catch 22 for CCP.
Very few people out of millions play this game now on an outdated PS3 anyway so what is the point in moving it over to the PS4 when even fewer people will play.

CCP should just keep this thing on the PS3 and hope to be around for a couple more years and then put this LOL experiment behind them or take this EVE expansion on over to the PC where the EVE fanbois can pew pew each other on space rocks.

Where's the logic in alienating the market that buys stuff like next gen consoles?

There are at least 9,500 active players. I say this because when Uprising launched we had that many for a week. It then tapered off to a bit more than 3,000. Now it is higher, at around 4,500 on average. Peak is higher at about 5,500.

I'm getting this from the server statistics, or at least from the last time I saw them(a couple weeks ago).

But there isn't a great transition of players. A new gen comes in and you still have a significant amount of people still on the last gen.

PS4 games have offered us nothing as gamers but texture packs...