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Ansiiis The Trustworthy Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 336	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:16:00 - [1] - Quote Yesterday I was using the squad finder and got into a match with some pretty laid back guys. We were doing good rolling over waves of Gallente when we started talking about re-specs. I said I wanted one, he didn't because "all the noobs who didn't know how to play the game would get protosuits." So... Some are scared that the common raspberry might be able to shoot back. All I want is to spec out of nades and snipers.
Chad Michael Murray The Phoenix Federation Ascension Alliance 60	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:17:00 - [2] - Quote People are against respecs because they like to *****, complain and/or whine about everything they possibly can. I still say one more respec should happen, oh I dunno, when the other half of the game is released; ie the year 2020 probably.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3781	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:18:00 - [3] - Quote All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM. There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything. EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start...
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 471	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:19:00 - [4] - Quote There is no commitment then, if you get a respec you are not working towards anything it is just handed to you. If you want to not use snipers get the Skill points to train into someone else. Chad Michael Murray wrote: People are against respecs because they like to *****, complain and/or whine about everything they possibly can. I still say one more respec should happen, oh I dunno, when the other half of the game is released; ie the year 2020 probably. You are stupid, we want things to stay the same you are the one arguing and crying for the changes in respecs.
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 603	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:19:00 - [5] - Quote Yeah once the tanks and dropships are out u will c alot of people asking for them just wait and see.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1604	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:19:00 - [6] - Quote A noob in a proto suit is not a scary thing.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1146	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:19:00 - [7] - Quote Sigh are you going to continue flogging thisndead horse.. the only time cconwillnever offer respecs is when they remomove skills or items that require skills to use. That or if they drasticly change the skill tree. Just be more cautious at wasting your sp.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 336	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:20:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM. There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything. EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start... At this point there isn't a FotM or maybe I'm badly informed.
Roldrage The Plasma Cannon Doctrine 189	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:20:00 - [9] - Quote It's pretty much as Arkena says, plus even if it was an aurum option people would cry p2w.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 336	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:21:00 - [10] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Sigh are you going to continue flogging thisndead horse.. the only time cconwillnever offer respecs is when they remomove skills or items that require skills to use. That or if they drasticly change the skill tree. Just be more cautious at wasting your sp. I've got more SP than I need and I didn't waste it. I just think it would freshen up the game.

Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3782	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:21:00 - [11] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM. There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything. EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start... At this point there isn't a FotM or maybe I'm badly informed. You are badly informed. There is practically always an FotM - at the moment it's logistics suit of choice plus damage modded Duvolle.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 336	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:24:00 - [12] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM. There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything. EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start... At this point there isn't a FotM or maybe I'm badly informed. You are badly informed. There is practically always an FotM - at the moment it's logistics suit of choice plus damage modded Duvolle. Hasn't that been the FotM forever? I've seen them used with a 6 man Balac's squad.
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 739	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:27:00 - [13] - Quote A respec would bring back a lot of people or keep the number. And probably only 30% of those who say they would leave actually would.
DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:32:00 - [14] - Quote The people who don't want respecs are the ones that suck at this game I wanted more than 1 equipment slot for pc but no assaults don't need it so that's one reason why I didn't come back for very long wasted sp
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3784	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:32:00 - [15] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM. There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything. EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start... At this point there isn't a FotM or maybe I'm badly informed. You are badly informed. There is practically always an FotM - at the moment it's logistics suit of choice plus damage modded Duvolle. Hasn't that been the FotM forever? I've seen them used with a 6 man Balac's squad. Not quite forever, though it does tend to be similar - once upon a time it was laser rifles, then Calogis with TARs, then Core Flaylocks, etc.
Chad Michael Murray The Phoenix Federation Ascension Alliance 60	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:33:00 - [16] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: You are stupid, we want things to stay the same you are the one arguing and crying for the changes, Stay the same? As in... you want the game to stay half-done forever? That's fine, kid. Honestly though, I couldn't care less if there's another respec or not my sp is fine, just think it'd be a bit silly to release the other 50% of the game without a respec; Sorry guys here's the rest of the content that was due three decades ago but you have to grind moar! BUY BOOSTERS XOXO
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1748	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:36:00 - [17] - Quote The reason people are against respecs is because in a free game we earn new content by populating the servers. Granting respecs undermines that concept. All you encountered was a bad anti-respec argument to go alongside the multitude of legitimate ones. There are plenty of ways to implement a respec system that mitigates these factors, but so far the only real pro-respec arguments are "I want more, and I want it now".
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 1695	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:36:00 - [18] - Quote Basically most of the vets want a respecs to freshen up the game, it's not that they made bad choices, it's just that the game is dull and respecing would be fun. Ppl that don't want respecs say ppl will spec into FOTM which honestly happens all the time ANYWAY so I don't really understand them.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1696	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:37:00 - [19] - Quote I am not against it, i just don't think is need it right now. Still lots stuff to be release that we don't have yet, if we get a respec now, we just going to need another one in few months time... better wait i think.
KING CHECKMATE Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1681	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:41:00 - [20] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM. There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything. EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start... There is no FOTM ATM /Post invalid

Cosgar ParagonX 5772	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:45:00 - [21] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45PdtGDGhac
Soraya Xel New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men. 664	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:47:00 - [22] - Quote Respecs reduce the usefulness of gaining SP overall, and hence murder the need for veteran players to buy boosters. Veteran players being the folks more willing to invest money in the game. Therefore, respecs = less money for CCP = dead game.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 471	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:49:00 - [23] - Quote If people will wait and save their SP to spec into the FOTM anyways why can't they just wait and save their SP inorder to spec into a new dropsuit or weapon they want instead of asking for a respec.
RED FARM Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 3	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:54:00 - [24] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Respecs reduce the usefulness of gaining SP overall, and hence murder the need for veteran players to buy boosters. Veteran players being the folks more willing to invest money in the game. Therefore, respecs = less money for CCP = dead game. As I have mentioned in past.... Respec at a cost of 100M ISK plus 100k AUR would/should be viable option. You should be able liquidate Assests as well. #beatsdeadhorse100x
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 110	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:57:00 - [25] - Quote My current worry is that they respec everyone - exchange all of our gear and fittings for isk - cash out or BPOs for AUR with no option to buy them back.
RED FARM Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 3	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:58:00 - [26] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: If people will wait and save their SP to spec into the FOTM anyways why can't they just wait and save their SP inorder to spec into a new dropsuit or weapon they want instead of asking for a respec. Says Mr. Jr, a Proto with a Scrambler Rifle of Death How long did it take to get that set up you use?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4464	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:59:00 - [27] - Quote You guys are missing the big picture. It's about the three general rules of New Eden that have existed and have been established for ten years already. Adapt or die. Don't use what you can't afford to lose. Accept the permanent consequences of your choices. The third rule is the most important and is something every inhabitant of New Eden has adopted into their culture for the past ten years. I understand that these rules come from Eve Online and some of you feel that what goes on in Eve should stay in Eve and not in DUST. But the fact that DUST is operating in the exact same universe (and the exact same server) with some interaction in between means that whatever rules Eve Online has will more than likely apply to DUST. Eve players have a lot of power in both inside the game and through the council of stellar management which by themselves already have real world stakeholder power with CCP. When CCP screwed up with addressing the concerns of the players about gold ammo and respecs for aurum rumors back in 2011, the players literally revolted en masse which forced CCP to stop any of such rumors from coming true. The Eve players are that passionate. Remember that New Eden is a very different mmo compared to other games in terms of culture, organization, and player influence. It won't be long until DUST starts adopting a similar culture once both economies begin to integrate.
DeadlyAztec11 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 2194	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:00:00 - [28] - Quote RED FARM wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Respecs reduce the usefulness of gaining SP overall, and hence murder the need for veteran players to buy boosters. Veteran players being the folks more willing to invest money in the game. Therefore, respecs = less money for CCP = dead game. As I have mentioned in past.... Respec at a cost of 100M ISK plus 100k AUR would/should be viable option. You should be able liquidate Assests as well. #beatsdeadhorse100x p2w as sure as the sun will rise.
APOPHIS Xxx the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 20	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:00:00 - [29] - Quote DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote: The people who don't want respecs are the ones that suck at this game I wanted more than 1 equipment slot for pc but no assaults don't need it so that's one reason why I didn't come back for very long wasted sp No, the people who wants a respecs are the ones that sucks at this game and not knowing how to properly use their skill points. There's nothing stopping you from playing and saving up more SP's for the skills you SHOULD have skilled up into. Boo hoo....That's why you didn't come back because you didn't get your way!! What a efn BABY! NO RESPEC! Especially for players like yourself!
RED FARM Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 5	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:10:00 - [30] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: RED FARM wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Respecs reduce the usefulness of gaining SP overall, and hence murder the need for veteran players to buy boosters. Veteran players being the folks more willing to invest money in the game. Therefore, respecs = less money for CCP = dead game. As I have mentioned in past.... Respec at a cost of 100M ISK plus 100k AUR would/should be viable option. You should be able liquidate Assests as well. #beatsdeadhorse100x p2w as sure as the sun will rise. Well, yes and no. If you can save 100M in ISK you are probably Proto already and don't feel like spending another 3-4 months on a new let's say Scout gk.0 Mass Driver and Nova Knife build. So, you quit due to being bored. Heck, make it 250M ISK plus 100 Aurum. - OR Increase the weekly SP cap. Oh, but that will not happen because P2W is already here aka Boosters

Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3790	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:30:00 - [31] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM. There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything. EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start... There is no FOTM ATM /Post invalid Logistics of almost any flavour, Duvolle. That's plenty more powerful than the other options at the moment...
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1682	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:58:00 - [32] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Respecs reduce the usefulness of gaining SP overall, and hence murder the need for veteran players to buy boosters. Veteran players being the folks more willing to invest money in the game. Therefore, respecs = less money for CCP = dead game. Not if they charge AUR for respecs. /Post invalid
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1682	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:01:00 - [33] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM. There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything. EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start... There is no FOTM ATM /Post invalid Logistics of almost any flavour, Duvolle. That's plenty more powerful than the other options at the moment... Thats NOT a FOTM. FOTM is 1 suit/combinations that preforms a LOT better than the rest,with the same or less investment. Logistics is a CLASS, not a specific suit. Plus, People would also spec into asssaults and some into heavies if possible. (Like Amarr assault to use laser weaponry) With SO MANY options, there is no FOTM. The Duvolle is NOT a FOTM,because not everyone is using Duvolle nor favors it. Scrambler rifles,laser rifles, Tac AR, HMG's,shotguns,sMGs...ALL are very popular right now. SO NO there are NO FOTM at the moment.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 180	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:06:00 - [34] - Quote Respec's are a bad idea and breaks the game. If a respec ever get's offered for sale... it would ruin any depth this game has and make it some shallow bullshit game, Where everyone could do anything. Example of selfish? Yes that's Respec's.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1682	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:07:00 - [35] - Quote APOPHIS Xxx wrote: DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote: The people who don't want respecs are the ones that suck at this game I wanted more than 1 equipment slot for pc but no assaults don't need it so that's one reason why I didn't come back for very long wasted sp No, the people who wants a respecs are the ones that sucks at this game and not knowing how to properly use their skill points. There's nothing stopping you from playing and saving up more SP's for the skills you SHOULD have skilled up into. Boo hoo....That's why you didn't come back because you didn't get your way!! What a efn BABY! NO RESPEC! Especially for players like yourself! ''No, the people who wants a respecs are the ones that sucks at this game'' Sorry Apophis, i dont consider myself to suck at this game. ''not knowing how to properly use their skill points.'' Skill trees change,have elusive and misleading descriptions PLUS sometimes the only way to test stuff is to buy it.This DOES not help the ''permanent decision '' aspect at all. The best example is the player base decrease lately. ''There's nothing stopping you from playing and saving up more SP's for the skills'' My 12 hours per day job + Collage studies Do prevent this. The fact is, generalising players looking for respecs is very close minded,. Its only natural for a player to be the most they can be, and im sure players denying repecs are scared of what players like me would be able to do if we had all of our SP in 1 specific fit, this is my opinion.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 180	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:07:00 - [36] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM. There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything. EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start... There is no FOTM ATM /Post invalid Logistics of almost any flavour, Duvolle. That's plenty more powerful than the other options at the moment... Thats NOT a FOTM. FOTM is 1 suit/combinations that preforms a LOT better than the rest,with the same or less investment. Logistics is a CLASS, not a specific suit. Plus, People would also spec into asssaults and some into heavies if possible. (Like Amarr assault to use laser weaponry) With SO MANY options, there is no FOTM. The Duvolle is NOT a FOTM,because not everyone is using Duvolle nor favors it. Scrambler rifles,laser rifles, Tac AR, HMG's,shotguns,sMGs...ALL are very popular right now. SO NO there are NO FOTM at the moment. Oh and your wrong... But hey King Checkmate talks so much sense on a regular basis? no wait...
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1682	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:08:00 - [37] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Respec's are a bad idea and breaks the game. If a respec ever get's offered for sale... it would ruin any depth this game has and make it some shallow bullshit game, Where everyone could do anything. Example of selfish? Yes that's Respec's. This is an opinion, not facts. In my OPINION,the depth would stay AND we would have replay value,something dust needs urgently.
Clifton Granite Royal Roma's Legion 1	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:09:00 - [38] - Quote I may be flamed but I actually like the idea of a respec option. I was a noob when the last global refund of ISK and SP happened and I wasted it in a major way. I would be willing to allow 1 respec per account every month at a penalty of 25% of the resources accumulated (not AUR). I would also love some way to sell my booty from each match back to the market as I have resources I will never use in my current specialization (too basic, wrong weapon, etc) . I would be willing to accept a price penalty up to 50% of retail. Respec-ing should not be cheap but it should be possible.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1683	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:09:00 - [39] - Quote Bethhy wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM. There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything. EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start... There is no FOTM ATM /Post invalid Logistics of almost any flavour, Duvolle. That's plenty more powerful than the other options at the moment... Thats NOT a FOTM. FOTM is 1 suit/combinations that preforms a LOT better than the rest,with the same or less investment. Logistics is a CLASS, not a specific suit. Plus, People would also spec into asssaults and some into heavies if possible. (Like Amarr assault to use laser weaponry) With SO MANY options, there is no FOTM. The Duvolle is NOT a FOTM,because not everyone is using Duvolle nor favors it. Scrambler rifles,laser rifles, Tac AR, HMG's,shotguns,sMGs...ALL are very popular right now. SO NO there are NO FOTM at the moment. Oh and your wrong... But hey King Checkmate talks so much sense on a regular basis? no wait... Wow talking about sense: ''Oh and your wrong..'' Talk about elaborate posts. (you know you are saying the truth when posters just start trying to make you look bad/insult you)
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6858	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:10:00 - [40] - Quote This game is about as hard as an egg noodle that's been soaking for a couple of years. Anything that helps noobs get an edge is plenty fine in my book. Oh, and the next full asset and SP refund is right around the corner, so cry away all you fighters of progress and supporters of small player bases.

Bethhy Ancient Exiles 180	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:12:00 - [41] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bethhy wrote: Respec's are a bad idea and breaks the game. If a respec ever get's offered for sale... it would ruin any depth this game has and make it some shallow bullshit game, Where everyone could do anything. Example of selfish? Yes that's Respec's. This is an opinion, not facts. In my OPINION,the depth would stay AND we would have replay value,something dust needs urgently. That's fact's practiced in every game that has died out. Welcome to gaming, King Checkmate.. take your selfish notion's of a respec and suck it up, go and level. and save up for new additions and changes like everyone else. The SP and skill system isn't some joke... Its what this game is built around, Not something you can just change on whims and "feeling" you should be able to choose different skills for it to be "fair" Hilarious
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 180	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:18:00 - [42] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Wow talking about sense: ''Oh and your wrong..'' Talk about elaborate posts. (you know you are saying the truth when posters just start trying to make you look bad/insult you) Oh sorry you must be right... thats why War barges in PC's have 80% the same suit and gun... But hey maybe they are using laser rifles and SMG's... like you said.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1683	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:20:00 - [43] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Oh sorry you must be right... thats why War barges in PC's have 80% the same suit and gun... But hey maybe they are using laser rifles and SMG's... like you said. Players in ''Elite'' Clans might be sad ''FOTM'' chasers,and all be running in logis + Balacs, but some people, you know, THE REST of the people want to have fun.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6858	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:20:00 - [44] - Quote Bethhy wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bethhy wrote: Respec's are a bad idea and breaks the game. If a respec ever get's offered for sale... it would ruin any depth this game has and make it some shallow bullshit game, Where everyone could do anything. Example of selfish? Yes that's Respec's. This is an opinion, not facts. In my OPINION,the depth would stay AND we would have replay value,something dust needs urgently. That's fact's practiced in every game that has died out. Welcome to gaming, King Checkmate.. take your selfish notion's of a respec and suck it up, go and level. and save up for new additions and changes like everyone else. The SP and skill system isn't some joke... Its what this game is built around, Not something you can just change on whims and "feeling" you should be able to choose different skills for it to be "fair" Hilarious You are aware that we already had a respec after "official release" and that the sky actually didn't explode, right? Wow, shocking, I'm sure. And lmao at so many options, MANY players are already maxed into a few roles and there are actually extremely few roles in this game to begin with. I'm praying you're still new here, or maybe you really are still drinking the punch ::shrugs:: Respecs only hurt egos because the skill tree is painfully shallow as it is. I'm sorry you want to believe that DUST is currently something that it's not, but down here in the real world, the game is still pretty tiny and still in beta. Just because you call a caterpillar a butterfly doesn't make it so.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1683	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:21:00 - [45] - Quote Bethhy wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bethhy wrote: Respec's are a bad idea and breaks the game. If a respec ever get's offered for sale... it would ruin any depth this game has and make it some shallow bullshit game, Where everyone could do anything. Example of selfish? Yes that's Respec's. This is an opinion, not facts. In my OPINION,the depth would stay AND we would have replay value,something dust needs urgently. That's fact's practiced in every game that has died out. Welcome to gaming, King Checkmate.. take your selfish notion's of a respec and suck it up, go and level. and save up for new additions and changes like everyone else. The SP and skill system isn't some joke... Its what this game is built around, Not something you can just change on whims and "feeling" you should be able to choose different skills for it to be "fair" Hilarious ''The SP and skill system isn't some joke'' <=== It is a joke,post invalid.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 180	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:23:00 - [46] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bethhy wrote: Oh sorry you must be right... thats why War barges in PC's have 80% the same suit and gun... But hey maybe they are using laser rifles and SMG's... like you said. Players in ''Elite'' Clans might be sad ''FOTM'' chasers,and all be running in logis + Balacs, but some people, you know, THE REST of the people want to have fun. That doesn't even make sense for an argument of what people are using for suit's and fittings... At least in the context of DUST.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1683	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:26:00 - [47] - Quote Bethhy wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bethhy wrote: Oh sorry you must be right... thats why War barges in PC's have 80% the same suit and gun... But hey maybe they are using laser rifles and SMG's... like you said. Players in ''Elite'' Clans might be sad ''FOTM'' chasers,and all be running in logis + Balacs, but some people, you know, THE REST of the people want to have fun. That doesn't even make sense for an argument of what people are using for suit's and fittings... At least in the context of DUST. I know you dont understand the definition of having fun. Its sad. Anyhow ; It does, I agree that after everything is out , no more respec,but in the meantime,people want to test stuff, amend errors from their past, and plain have fun. So while CCP fixes this mess of a game, the best they can do for their players is to offere a way of respec for at least give us replay value and test different fits. If there is a ''FOTM'', is because people dont know better. YOU dont know better. Everybody running MED frames + AR's would probably change if we could be able to change and test stuff..
Jake Bloodworth Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 206	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:27:00 - [48] - Quote Everyone is not against respecs because we're afraid of the "redberry" or "common noob". You make us sound like the Aristocrats during the French Revolution. We aren't lording over "lesser", "non-proto" players. Stop making it sound like a class war around here. Respecs will remove all commitment and risk vs reward from the game. They will simply make good players better, and save us from grinding the extra weapons that we want to "try" out. New players don't need respecs because they don't have enough SP to warrant it. Idiots that spent millions of SP haphazardly don't deserve respecs because they will simply do it again. Everyone who was around for the two respecs at uprising knows what happens. Good players specialize, those crying for respecs fall right back into ADHD SP Builds.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 180	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:27:00 - [49] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Bethhy wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bethhy wrote: Respec's are a bad idea and breaks the game. If a respec ever get's offered for sale... it would ruin any depth this game has and make it some shallow bullshit game, Where everyone could do anything. Example of selfish? Yes that's Respec's. This is an opinion, not facts. In my OPINION,the depth would stay AND we would have replay value,something dust needs urgently. That's fact's practiced in every game that has died out. Welcome to gaming, King Checkmate.. take your selfish notion's of a respec and suck it up, go and level. and save up for new additions and changes like everyone else. The SP and skill system isn't some joke... Its what this game is built around, Not something you can just change on whims and "feeling" you should be able to choose different skills for it to be "fair" Hilarious You are aware that we already had a respec after "official release" and that the sky actually didn't explode, right? Wow, shocking, I'm sure. And lmao at so many options, MANY players are already maxed into a few roles and there are actually extremely few roles in this game to begin with. I'm praying you're still new here, or maybe you really are still drinking the punch ::shrugs:: Respecs only hurt egos because the skill tree is painfully shallow as it is. I'm sorry you want to believe that DUST is currently something that it's not, but down here in the real world, the game is still pretty tiny and still in beta. Do you actually remember what happened after that respec? Because it changed the entire balance of the game.. as well as started the FOTM cycle.... Aswell as put everyone in Proto suit's ruining any NPE for DUST 514 launch. Not to mention it was a respec after taking all the suit's out of the game that where there for a year and relaunching them racial from Open beta -> DUST launch... At which time CCP told EVERYONE this is your last respec spend well. Any new additions to the game we can save for and level for. Any changes to skill multiplyer's or skill tree's CCP has always reimbursed to reallocate... Rapid Reload is an example went from a 6x skill to a 3x skill and we got the SP refunded to reallocate.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6859	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:38:00 - [50] - Quote I've argued in this same thread time after time so you all can have at it, just don't be upset when 1.7 comes with a full SP and asset refund in the face of removing 10 vehicles, changing around a ton of vehicle skills, and likely uprooting the whole AV vs Vehicle balance. It doesn't affect me either way because this game is obnoxiously easy in most cases, and you really don't even need proto in anything to stomp anything other than PC (which still is a guaranteed system freeze for me). Respecs or skill reallocation systems are about taking SP that are no longer relevant to you as a player and putting them to better use. Unlike EVE, you only have one style of play in DUST for the most part, kill the other dood. You can't play the market. You can't do PvE. You can't do industry. You can't gank. You can't do PI, scan down ships to rob, hold people ransom, or lock down an entire region of space because you're a prick. You can't mine or scam people (well, I guess you technically can, but nothing like in EVE). You don't have a huge pool of skills to choose from, you don't have tons of ships and weapons unlocked with each skill, you don't have a wide arrays of playstyles to choose from because they simply do not exist. The game is not EVE right now, it's a very pale and distant shadow. Treating a work in progress like a finished product just leads to player burnout and bad press.

KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1686	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:44:00 - [51] - Quote ''Do you actually remember what happened after that respec? Because it changed the entire balance of the game.. as well as started the FOTM cycle.... Aswell as put everyone in Proto suit's ruining any NPE for DUST 514 launch.'' You are right,but after that respec we had a FOTM.now we dont. What put everyone in Proto suits was NOT the respec, but the AURUM protos. ''NEOs'' and what not. ''Not to mention it was a respec after taking all the suit's out of the game that where there for a year and relaunching them racial from Open beta -> DUST launch... '' We dont have ALL the suits, so as soon as we have Dust 2.0 with more suits another respec would be fine then? ''Any new additions to the game we can save for and level for. '' True we can, BUT still; the time invested for SP is already invested.The SP incorreclty spent is already lost. And thats not good.Not good for the heavy that wanted Heavy minmatar but there were only Amarr heavies. Not fair For Minmatar scouts that wanted to use an amarr scout, and so on... ''Any changes to skill multiplyer's or skill tree's CCP has always reimbursed to reallocate... Rapid Reload is an example went from a 6x skill to a 3x skill and we got the SP refunded to reallocate'' True, and there by a good CCP decision. You know, for a person you consider that never makes sense,you re actually giving me quite the attention Bethy Hmmm
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 180	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:50:00 - [52] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I've argued in this same thread time after time so you all can have at it, just don't be upset when 1.7 comes with a full SP and asset refund in the face of removing 10 vehicles, changing around a ton of vehicle skills, and likely uprooting the whole AV vs Vehicle balance. It doesn't affect me either way because this game is obnoxiously easy in most cases, and you really don't even need proto in anything to stomp anything other than PC (which still is a guaranteed system freeze for me). Respecs or skill reallocation systems are about taking SP that are no longer relevant to you as a player and putting them to better use. Unlike EVE, you only have one style of play in DUST for the most part, kill the other dood. You can't play the market. You can't do PvE. You can't do industry. You can't gank. You can't do PI, scan down ships to rob, hold people ransom, or lock down an entire region of space because you're a prick. You can't mine or scam people (well, I guess you technically can, but nothing like in EVE). You don't have a huge pool of skills to choose from, you don't have tons of ships and weapons unlocked with each skill, you don't have a wide arrays of playstyles to choose from because they simply do not exist. The game is not EVE right now, it's a very pale and distant shadow. Treating a work in progress like a finished product just leads to player burnout and bad press. You do understand that EVE was considered a beta product for over 5 years by every major MMO website and publisher.... If you believe EVE was this polished when i was playing it in Open beta... or even 4 years after that.. your mistaken... Did anyone get a respec ever in the history of EVE? nope. DUST in it's first year is 100 times better place for content then EVE was.... What it's lacking compared to EVE is solid core game mechanic's, a user interface that is second to none... And fix the massive FPS problems in competitive PVP. If we can't build a solid base game... then adding anything to it is more headache then it should be and rapid fire content patches become this delayed mess with good intentions.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 475	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:51:00 - [53] - Quote RED FARM wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: If people will wait and save their SP to spec into the FOTM anyways why can't they just wait and save their SP inorder to spec into a new dropsuit or weapon they want instead of asking for a respec. Says Mr. Jr, a Proto with a Scrambler Rifle of Death How long did it take to get that set up you use? A good amount of time I tested out what weapons I liked and picked to commit to amarr assault it was not a easy road to get to but I got where I wanted to be with that suit now cross training into Amarr heavy. That's the point if you don't like something train into something else.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 836	Posted - 2013.10.11 00:01:00 - [54] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM. There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything. EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start... At this point there isn't a FotM or maybe I'm badly informed. You are badly informed. There is practically always an FotM - at the moment it's logistics suit of choice plus damage modded Duvolle. Hasn't that been the FotM forever? I've seen them used with a 6 man Balac's squad. Not quite forever, though it does tend to be similar - once upon a time it was laser rifles, then Calogis with TARs, then Core Flaylocks, etc. Not exactly like that...Newberry. Lets see it was SL that did OHK on infantry, Creodon AR, Disco shoes Scout suits, Sagaris, RE AKA Atomic Frisbees, long range scrambler pistols, mass driver, HMG, dropships doing 100 and 0, Viziam laser,murder taxi, fused contact grenades, TAR, Core flaylocks And I know I missed four or five more of them...wait! free militia vehicles with tanks and dropships on every high tower, Orbitals from damageing LAVs and repairing them
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 180	Posted - 2013.10.11 01:34:00 - [55] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: [quote=Ansiiis The Trustworthy] You are badly informed. There is practically always an FotM - at the moment it's logistics suit of choice plus damage modded Duvolle. Hasn't that been the FotM forever? I've seen them used with a 6 man Balac's squad. Not quite forever, though it does tend to be similar - once upon a time it was laser rifles, then Calogis with TARs, then Core Flaylocks, etc. Not exactly like that...Newberry. Lets see it was SL that did OHK on infantry, Creodon AR, Disco shoes Scout suits, Sagaris, RE AKA Atomic Frisbees, long range scrambler pistols, mass driver, HMG, dropships doing 100 and 0, Viziam laser,murder taxi, fused contact grenades, TAR, Core flaylocks And I know I missed four or five more of them...wait! free militia vehicles with tanks and dropships on every high tower, Orbitals from damageing LAVs and repairing them The Black op's tank's, Chakram was pretty nasty... 5 bullet Allotek burst rifles with the amazing scope was just a gun that looked futuristic..
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 659	Posted - 2013.10.11 02:10:00 - [56] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Yesterday I was using the squad finder and got into a match with some pretty laid back guys. We were doing good rolling over waves of Gallente when we started talking about re-specs. I said I wanted one, he didn't because "all the noobs who didn't know how to play the game would get protosuits." So... Some are scared that the common raspberry might be able to shoot back. All I want is to spec out of nades and snipers. i'm against respecs because it would give me all the things that I now wish I had. it takes away the weight of the decisions that you made in your build. you couldn't believe how much worse it would be on new players if you gave everyone respecs.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6860	Posted - 2013.10.11 02:15:00 - [57] - Quote low genius wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Yesterday I was using the squad finder and got into a match with some pretty laid back guys. We were doing good rolling over waves of Gallente when we started talking about re-specs. I said I wanted one, he didn't because "all the noobs who didn't know how to play the game would get protosuits." So... Some are scared that the common raspberry might be able to shoot back. All I want is to spec out of nades and snipers. i'm against respecs because it would give me all the things that I now wish I had. it takes away the weight of the decisions that you made in your build. you couldn't believe how much worse it would be on new players if you gave everyone respecs. If matchmaking worked it wouldn't effect them in the slightest.
Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1113	Posted - 2013.10.11 02:24:00 - [58] - Quote ONE more respec. Then deal with the issues of your skill tree. One when we have all our suits and weapons and vehicles No more. That's all that is needed, cause then you have that infinite SP system to let you **** around with
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 633	Posted - 2013.10.11 02:29:00 - [59] - Quote Respecs would favor newberries more than it would vets (and by vet, I mean beta). As some have mentioned, at a certain point in SP you no longer have anything very interesting to spec into. Your suit and weapons have lost their shine. You can either spec into suits you are less interested in or go for some of the more random skills that are marginally beneficial to how you play. I have 21 mil SP and close to 5mil of that is unallocated because I would rather save it for the hope that something interesting comes down the road rather than spend it on suits I would hardly ever use.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 660	Posted - 2013.10.11 02:32:00 - [60] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: low genius wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Yesterday I was using the squad finder and got into a match with some pretty laid back guys. We were doing good rolling over waves of Gallente when we started talking about re-specs. I said I wanted one, he didn't because "all the noobs who didn't know how to play the game would get protosuits." So... Some are scared that the common raspberry might be able to shoot back. All I want is to spec out of nades and snipers. i'm against respecs because it would give me all the things that I now wish I had. it takes away the weight of the decisions that you made in your build. you couldn't believe how much worse it would be on new players if you gave everyone respecs. If matchmaking worked it wouldn't effect them in the slightest. Aside from letting them step back and take a better look at their build i'd get back all of the sp I've sunk into heavies. that's like 12 million sp i'd get back. matchmaking is for instant battles. it has no effect on any real dust activities. you DO NOT want to give people who know more about the game than you do another look at their build. you just don't.

low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 660	Posted - 2013.10.11 02:33:00 - [61] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Respecs would favor newberries more than it would vets (and by vet, I mean beta). As some have mentioned, at a certain point in SP you no longer have anything very interesting to spec into. Your suit and weapons have lost their shine. You can either spec into suits you are less interested in or go for some of the more random skills that are marginally beneficial to how you play. I have 21 mil SP and close to 5mil of that is unallocated because I would rather save it for the hope that something interesting comes down the road rather than spend it on suits I would hardly ever use. the math does not support this. neither does the past.
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES EoN. 254	Posted - 2013.10.11 02:49:00 - [62] - Quote They are in fear of nothing. back in the first respec a lot of noobs poured all their skills into proto suit and weapons, but not mods or core skills. I have never seen proto suits drop so fast.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 633	Posted - 2013.10.11 02:55:00 - [63] - Quote low genius wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Respecs would favor newberries more than it would vets (and by vet, I mean beta). As some have mentioned, at a certain point in SP you no longer have anything very interesting to spec into. Your suit and weapons have lost their shine. You can either spec into suits you are less interested in or go for some of the more random skills that are marginally beneficial to how you play. I have 21 mil SP and close to 5mil of that is unallocated because I would rather save it for the hope that something interesting comes down the road rather than spend it on suits I would hardly ever use. the math does not support this. neither does the past. What math are you talking about? Who makes the most mistakes with their choices, someone just starting out or a veteran who has been playing this game since beta? Sure, some of the Callogis will choose new suits and most will shy away from skilling into flaylocks but I can see no other big shift in the playerbase. The people that will be rewarded the most would be vehicle users who routinely get shafted . Personally, I would probably free up 500k worth of SP from the respec otherwise it would all go in the same place. Maybe another million or so if I decided not to re-skill into ARs. I will tell you one benefit of having 1 or 2 scheduled respecs a year that would help this game. It allows players to take chances rather than just picking the vanilla suits and weapons. More people would be willing to try interesting fits/playstyles if they knew that they knew that they could get out of it at some point down the road should it turn out to be a flop. I chose the Amarr Assault when 1.0 first launched and did not like it at all since it did not fit my playstyle. If it wasnt for the second respec I would have probably quit the game within a month or so.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6863	Posted - 2013.10.11 03:04:00 - [64] - Quote After a year and a half of this game I have come to the conclusion that infantry play is horrendously boring and I just want to pour all my points back into vehicles and say **** all you scrubs. Instead I have to sit on all these fits that I don't bother using cuz lolBPOs and lmaoscrubs so there's really no point to at least 8 million of my SP right now. Just sits there. I can't even waddle around the warbarge to show off my fat red eyes anymore.
XxWarlordxX97 Ancient Exiles 4690	Posted - 2013.10.11 03:14:00 - [65] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Yesterday I was using the squad finder and got into a match with some pretty laid back guys. We were doing good rolling over waves of Gallente when we started talking about re-specs. I said I wanted one, he didn't because "all the noobs who didn't know how to play the game would get protosuits." So... Some are scared that the common raspberry might be able to shoot back. All I want is to spec out of nades and snipers. They are scared of a proto suit,The MAG respecs system was awesome
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1686	Posted - 2013.10.11 03:17:00 - [66] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Yesterday I was using the squad finder and got into a match with some pretty laid back guys. We were doing good rolling over waves of Gallente when we started talking about re-specs. I said I wanted one, he didn't because "all the noobs who didn't know how to play the game would get protosuits." So... Some are scared that the common raspberry might be able to shoot back. All I want is to spec out of nades and snipers. They are scared of a proto suit,The MAG respecs system was awesome
XxWarlordxX97 Ancient Exiles 4690	Posted - 2013.10.11 03:22:00 - [67] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: XxWarlordxX97 wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Yesterday I was using the squad finder and got into a match with some pretty laid back guys. We were doing good rolling over waves of Gallente when we started talking about re-specs. I said I wanted one, he didn't because "all the noobs who didn't know how to play the game would get protosuits." So... Some are scared that the common raspberry might be able to shoot back. All I want is to spec out of nades and snipers. They are scared of a proto suit,The MAG respecs system was awesome People just throw core nades and OP on me what is scarier then that
Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1115	Posted - 2013.10.11 03:28:00 - [68] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: In my OPINION,the depth would stay AND we would have replay value,something dust needs urgently. If you actually thought about it, respecs reduce the replay value extremely. Ok, played with all the Light weapons... Ok, played with all the Heavy weapons... Ok, played with all the Medium Suits... Ok, played with all the Heavy Suits... Ok, Played with all the Light Suits... Ok, played with all the Sidearms... Ok, played with all the Equipment... Now what? Then, all the folks with money to blow on a game come on the forums and complain about the lack of content and so on. It condenses a game, and reduces its replay value because of it. It be like Letting you go to any part of a game with the tools of a the endgame, and go find every secret. So, you found all the secrets? Well, what now? Ok, you played all the classes, what now? Go and play with the class you know exactly on what it does again? /Trainofthoughtimploded
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6865	Posted - 2013.10.11 03:49:00 - [69] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: If you actually thought about it, respecs reduce the replay value extremely. Ok, played with all the Light weapons... Ok, played with all the Heavy weapons... Ok, played with all the Medium Suits... Ok, played with all the Heavy Suits... Ok, Played with all the Light Suits... Ok, played with all the Sidearms... Ok, played with all the Equipment... Now what? Then, all the folks with money to blow on a game come on the forums and complain about the lack of content and so on. It condenses a game, and reduces its replay value because of it. It be like Letting you go to any part of a game with the tools of a the endgame, and go find every secret. So, you found all the secrets? Well, what now? Ok, you played all the classes, what now? Go and play with the class you know exactly on what it does again? I've already done that, without respecs. The game is remarkably small, and there is very little difference between many builds, to the point where it's literally just a few % differences. The game is small, period, respecs do not change that. It's about playing what you like, and not being afraid that whatever you choose might be ripped apart in one of CCPs random balance passes, only to be in a state of limbo for X amount of months while CCP tries to figure out how to fix their fix.
Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1115	Posted - 2013.10.11 03:55:00 - [70] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: If you actually thought about it, respecs reduce the replay value extremely. Ok, played with all the Light weapons... Ok, played with all the Heavy weapons... Ok, played with all the Medium Suits... Ok, played with all the Heavy Suits... Ok, Played with all the Light Suits... Ok, played with all the Sidearms... Ok, played with all the Equipment... Now what? Then, all the folks with money to blow on a game come on the forums and complain about the lack of content and so on. It condenses a game, and reduces its replay value because of it. It be like Letting you go to any part of a game with the tools of a the endgame, and go find every secret. So, you found all the secrets? Well, what now? Ok, you played all the classes, what now? Go and play with the class you know exactly on what it does again? I've already done that, without respecs. The game is remarkably small, and there is very little difference between many builds, to the point where it's literally just a few % differences. The game is small, period, respecs do not change that. It's about playing what you like, and not being afraid that whatever you choose might be ripped apart in one of CCPs random balance passes, only to be in a state of limbo for X amount of months while CCP tries to figure out how to fix their fix. Yes, and Respecs shorten that Short game even more.

Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 333	Posted - 2013.10.11 03:57:00 - [71] - Quote FOTM is Caldari Assault and Amarr Logistics with Duvolles. That is all.
ugg reset Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 395	Posted - 2013.10.11 04:06:00 - [72] - Quote right because people who make poor choices with a little SP at a time will make informed decisions when they get alot at once. fear!? these are the people I laugh at.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6865	Posted - 2013.10.11 04:10:00 - [73] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Yes, and Respecs shorten that Short game even more. You know what shortens the game? Sitting on a bunch of SP that you don't use anymore. It shortens it by making all that SP irrelevant and thusly making you grind away for the chance to be exactly where you already are. Oh joy, how exciting. (aka, faster burnout, adding to our already dwindling numbers)
XxWarlordxX97 Ancient Exiles 4692	Posted - 2013.10.11 04:17:00 - [74] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: In my OPINION,the depth would stay AND we would have replay value,something dust needs urgently. If you actually thought about it, respecs reduce the replay value extremely. Ok, played with all the Light weapons... Ok, played with all the Heavy weapons... Ok, played with all the Medium Suits... Ok, played with all the Heavy Suits... Ok, Played with all the Light Suits... Ok, played with all the Sidearms... Ok, played with all the Equipment... Now what? Then, all the folks with money to blow on a game come on the forums and complain about the lack of content and so on. It condenses a game, and reduces its replay value because of it. It be like Letting you go to any part of a game with the tools of a the endgame, and go find every secret. So, you found all the secrets? Well, what now? Ok, you played all the classes, what now? Go and play with the class you know exactly on what it does again? /Trainofthoughtimploded Play as one class and get bored thinks of going to BF4
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 37	Posted - 2013.10.11 04:21:00 - [75] - Quote "Accept the permanent consequences of your choices." GÇô The most common defense against complete and partial respecs. I know, because players speccing into vehicles months ago really knew how the vehicles would turn out in the future. Players speccing their suits around vehicles, only to find that their old strategies don't work so well with the new vehicles, should take the consequences that "resulted" from "their" actions. It's not fair to say that being able to allocate SP again takes away the investment of spending SP or destroys the "spirit" of Dust 514 when the player didn't know WHAT they'd be speccing to at the time they specced into it. This includes: New players speccing into weapons and equipment that do not have Militia versions because it is the only way to try them. CCP changing the fundamental functionality of a skill, thus making it impossible to know WHAT you're speccing into in the future. CCP completely rebuilding fundamental mechanics. and possibly more. I now agree that allowing players to respec at any time would negatively affect the diversity of players and tactics, but no respecs is just a troll move. I'd like a respec for new players at 3 million SP, which is enough for indecisive players to decide what role they want to take, partial respecs when skill effects change and total respecs when whole fields are completely redone.
APOPHIS Xxx the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 20	Posted - 2013.10.11 05:22:00 - [76] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: APOPHIS Xxx wrote: DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote: The people who don't want respecs are the ones that suck at this game I wanted more than 1 equipment slot for pc but no assaults don't need it so that's one reason why I didn't come back for very long wasted sp No, the people who wants a respecs are the ones that sucks at this game and not knowing how to properly use their skill points. There's nothing stopping you from playing and saving up more SP's for the skills you SHOULD have skilled up into. Boo hoo....That's why you didn't come back because you didn't get your way!! What a efn BABY! NO RESPEC! Especially for players like yourself! ''No, the people who wants a respecs are the ones that sucks at this game'' Sorry Apophis, i dont consider myself to suck at this game. ''not knowing how to properly use their skill points.'' Skill trees change,have elusive and misleading descriptions PLUS sometimes the only way to test stuff is to buy it.This DOES not help the ''permanent decision '' aspect at all. The best example is the player base decrease lately. ''There's nothing stopping you from playing and saving up more SP's for the skills'' My 12 hours per day job + Collage studies Do prevent this. The fact is, generalising players looking for respecs is very close minded,. Its only natural for a player to be the most they can be, and im sure players denying repecs are scared of what players like me would be able to do if we had all of our SP in 1 specific fit, this is my opinion. Checkmate you're sadly mistaken. Closed minded? So, what do you consider yourself for asking for a respec? LOL You think you're the only person that has other priorities like college and work? Stop with the lame excuses! Do you buy something, use it, and then say, "i'm not happy with it" and return it for a full refund? Sounds like a little spoiled brat in my opinion! Scared of players like you of what they can do if you had a respec? Yeah, whatever! LOL. Should've. Would've. Could've. You made your bed. Now, lay in it! Man, kids these days surely need a smack upside the head! LOL
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 298	Posted - 2013.10.11 07:58:00 - [77] - Quote I'm against respecs in a theoretical/philosophical sense but in a game like Dust which yoyos so much and has such a small playerbase, who cares. Give it to people to stop them quitting and lock it down in a few years time when things "might" be stable.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1111	Posted - 2013.10.11 08:02:00 - [78] - Quote GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote: Yeah once the tanks and dropships are out u will c alot of people asking for them just wait and see. missing racial variants warrants a respec imo, as well as any changes to skills (not skill bonus nerfs, but entire changes) or giant changes to roles, such as the vehicle redo.
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 71	Posted - 2013.10.11 08:26:00 - [79] - Quote APOPHIS Xxx wrote: DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote: The people who don't want respecs are the ones that suck at this game I wanted more than 1 equipment slot for pc but no assaults don't need it so that's one reason why I didn't come back for very long wasted sp No, the people who wants a respecs are the ones that sucks at this game and not knowing how to properly use their skill points. There's nothing stopping you from playing and saving up more SP's for the skills you SHOULD have skilled up into. Boo hoo....That's why you didn't come back because you didn't get your way!! What a efn BABY! NO RESPEC! Especially for players like yourself! so you say it's my fault that the Nova Knives have a terrible hit detection and have no use at all at the moment ?! ... or that my scout protosuit is too expensive for being so crappy & having so **** stats? you know since the hit detection upgrade even a warm breeze kills me instantly while my shotgun cant 1HKO some **** militia suit 30% of the time cause hit detection still not works on the SG properly! respecs would help the game! look at MAG, that game wouldn't have lasted that long without the option of an respec...
Karl Koekwaus Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 194	Posted - 2013.10.11 08:35:00 - [80] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: You guys are missing the big picture. It's about the three general rules of New Eden that have existed and have been established for ten years already. Adapt or die. Don't use what you can't afford to lose. Accept the permanent consequences of your choices. The third rule is the most important and is something every inhabitant of New Eden has adopted into their culture for the past ten years. I understand that these rules come from Eve Online and some of you feel that what goes on in Eve should stay in Eve and not in DUST. But the fact that DUST is operating in the exact same universe (and the exact same server) with some interaction in between means that whatever rules Eve Online has will more than likely apply to DUST. .snip. Remember that New Eden is a very different mmo compared to other games in terms of culture, organization, and player influence. It won't be long until DUST starts adopting a similar culture once both economies begin to integrate. +1 This is also the reason you can't rename your character.

demonkiller 12 G.U.T.Z 248	Posted - 2013.10.11 08:43:00 - [81] - Quote the only people who should get PARTIAL respecs are players with AV/Vehicle skills when the "major" changes come. and any other time they do a complete rehaul of something in the game. seriously i speced into a tank - its called a gunloggi and CCP plan to turn it into a pumpkin now yes you can argue that hey you skilled into it so what if they nerf it - if all they did was nerf it then i wouldnt care but when they take something you already skilled into and already have in your garage and say "hey, we're gonna take your tank and turn it into something completely different, we'll tell you when we're done :D" - thats not acceptable
Rei Shepard Spectre II 673	Posted - 2013.10.11 08:44:00 - [82] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Yesterday I was using the squad finder and got into a match with some pretty laid back guys. We were doing good rolling over waves of Gallente when we started talking about re-specs. I said I wanted one, he didn't because "all the noobs who didn't know how to play the game would get protosuits." So... Some are scared that the common raspberry might be able to shoot back. All I want is to spec out of nades and snipers. o7 Hows the Imperial SCR treating you? I dont mind respecs much, i would just spec exactly the same though, with a point optimized here and there.
Void Echo Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 1724	Posted - 2013.10.11 09:41:00 - [83] - Quote well... if I don't get a respect when the vehicle changes come, youl never see my ass logged into dust again.. a lot of other people have already left because they don't have enough sp to enjoy the game or skill into what they want when they have a few million SP. respecs would save the game if only it happened once a major change would be implemented, no other time, other than that, youl have to pay aurum for one. to all you who say respecs would hurt the game, this game is nearly dead because its stale and nothing new is here, people already have their **** maxed out to the point where its ridiculous not to have a respect. "it ruins the meaning of the game" .... ok so you would rather keep this game nearly dead than have a lot of people come back because your a diehard eve pilot?
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 637	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:58:00 - [84] - Quote My counterarguments to the anti-respec side. - Persistence/Consequences - This is great from a RPG element but DUST currently does not have that aside from what the players create themselves. Its still in its infancy as a lobby shooter and the current size of the player base shows that the model they created is not working. Sure, no respecs down the road when this game is fleshed out and there is a true connection to EVE but that isnt now. If the current state of the game is all it will ever be then you would probably see a good number of people abandon it. - FOTM migration - The counter to this is offering respecs only at set longer intervals such as twice a year. Six months is an extreme amount of time in a FPS. Many vets know how heavy handed CCP can be with the nerf hammer and will be hesitant to go completely into the FOTM after having to deal with the Callogi fiasco. Sure, some may but there is no true OP weapon out there right now that is anywhere near what used to be and they would know they would be stuck with it for a couple months. - Players would get bored - Anybody who has played this game for a couple months now is already bored. Aside from a few new maps and weapons this game has not evolved in any way towards its future 'vision'. Players who find that their favorite suit/weapon/vehicle has been nerfed into oblivion are now faced with either the tedious grind to something new or deciding to give up the game. Many have chosen to move to other games. Benefits of Respecs - It allows players to take risks - Knowing that a respec is on the horizon, they will be more likely to try new skills or weapons/equipment/vehicles without fear of wasting weeks of SP. How many people would try the new weapons or vehicles right now the gate now? Ask the commandos or the flaylock users. Ask the derpship pilots who have been trolled consistently for months. Ask the tankers who can barely keep a positive ISK balance. The reason we have so many assaults with ARs in this game is because people are afraid to take risks due to the 'persistent consequences' . - It kills the complaining - Telling players that they get a mid-year and end of year respec kills the majority of complaining about changes to skills and stats. This way, they know if and when its coming and there is no mystery about it. You wouldnt see 5 threads a day petitioning for one. - It promotes testing of new gear - It forces CCP to make more viable releases if people will just skill out of them should they become useless. This promotes the testing of new releases by players as there is less risk involved with it. - It may bring back lost players - The pool for players is not as large as many think. This is a FPS video game on a Sony platform. FPS games are one of the core genres of consoles and the PS3 is soon to be outdated. Standing on your soapbox and saying "if you dont like it then leave" has led to just that, players leaving. Life is about making compromises to survive and this is no different. For this game to survive, it needs to make sure that the expectations if its customers are met. The PS3 community will not be growing anymore, only shrinking. This isnt EVE where computers can evolve separately from the game itself and thus allowing it to evolve as well. You have a declining consumer base which means that retaining players is even more critical. This isnt about me being greedy and wanting to avoid consequences. I would benefit very little from a respec. What this is about is wanting to save this game as I still have some faith in it. Until this game has evolved to a state where its no longer a lobby FPS, its going to need to retain many of the aspects of FPS games. When it is as diverse as EVE is then I can see it finally doing away with respecs.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 672	Posted - 2013.10.11 13:14:00 - [85] - Quote first of all, Dust is not EVE. EVE is a Sandbox MMORPG. in EVE all SP gain is fully passive. if you are not happy you play another game for a month and you get enough SP to try something new. when you want something totally different you just get a new character by creating a new account and pay for it and skill it up next to your main, or you just buy another character from someone else that is already skilled up. In EVE there is also alot more stuff to do In EVE basic content also isnt missing and bugs dont plague the gameplay. In EVE skills and content also do not get a major change every patch, changing the way you played before. EVE has a stable playerbase. EVE is finished and only gets new expansions and rebalances from time to time. DUST is just a F2P lobby shooter at the moment. in Dust passive skill gain is alot lower, you have to play to get decent sp. In Dust you cant do anything else beside kill the other team. Dust is still full of bugs, descriptions are not proper and in every patch something gets a major change, often CCP is changing the way you are playing (like in the near future, removing some vehicles and changing skills), your decision actually do not matter here or are a gamble. DUST playercount at primetime is declining by ~500 per month. DUST is still just beta, despite being commercially used. in short: should I continue with that listing? all anti SP reallocation arguments are invalid by the facts I listed, deal with it. Bethhy wrote: Do you actually remember what happened after that respec? Because it changed the entire balance of the game.. as well as started the FOTM cycle... the caldari AR FOTM already existed before and everyone was already running in caldari proto suits with TAR because there wasnt anything else to use. before that you had viziam, unhittable scouts, 20k ehp tanks, remote explosive tossing, long range scrambler pistols oneshotting people in the head, mass driver & sniper HMG. FOTM cycle was already there and your statement just shows that you have no clue.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1697	Posted - 2013.10.12 22:06:00 - [86] - Quote Void Echo wrote: well... if I don't get a respect when the vehicle changes come, youl never see my ass logged into dust again.. a lot of other people have already left because they don't have enough sp to enjoy the game or skill into what they want when they have a few million SP. respecs would save the game if only it happened once a major change would be implemented, no other time, other than that, youl have to pay aurum for one. to all you who say respecs would hurt the game, this game is nearly dead because its stale and nothing new is here, people already have their ** maxed out to the point where its ridiculous not to have a respect. "it ruins the meaning of the game" .... ok so you would rather keep this game nearly dead than have a lot of people come back because your a diehard eve pilot? For once i can 100% agree with void. LOL As it is, everyone want to keep the game with no respecs but the GAME is dying,** new content is not comming out fast enough and a repec option would breathe some new life into dust. For those who say: ''There is infinite SP, just grind'' 1-Grinding is a horrible game mechanic that everybody hates. I would (personally i dont speak in the name of my corp or anything) love to see a SP cap, say 20-30 mill. But instead have a regular (Say once every 6 months) to repec option. 2-SP is infinite, the time people have isnt. I Work 10 hours a day and study in collage, is a MIRACLE im still playing a game as time consuming as DUST. as it is,many people that have busy lives have already left,and might consider coming back if they could just avoid the grind and use their well deserved SP to skill into something they are interested in.......
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 646	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:24:00 - [87] - Quote Until we have higher 'layers' of something that we can skill into, the grind is pointless other than enjoying the game with friends. Are we supposed to just skill into suits/weapons that are our second choices? In an RPG, the grind is ok because people are always striving for something better. There is always another tier to reach that makes you want to put in the effort. Right now I have my suit of choice, I have three proto main weapons and two proto sidearms and all the equipment I could possibly fit. Right now I am just stockpiling SP in HOPE that there will be that next thing that I will want to skill into and spending some here and there are marginal improvements to what I already do. Until they expand this game beyond the lobby shooter that it is, this will continue to be the case. Until it reaches this state, they need to treat it like an FPS and allow people the ability to freshen it up or correct their mistakes. DUST is not EVE There is no RPG element There are tiers in DUST where the more you skill into something the better you are in all regards There is no persistence to battle beyond the 10-20 minutes you are fighting the other team There are no castles, only pixels on a 'map' You dont build anything other than your wallet Until this game evolves beyond a lobby shooter there is absolutely no reason to treat it as more. EVEs rules work for EVE but this game is not anywhere near that level yet.


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