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KING CHECKMATE Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1681	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:41:00 - [1] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM. There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything. EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start... There is no FOTM ATM /Post invalid
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1682	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:58:00 - [2] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Respecs reduce the usefulness of gaining SP overall, and hence murder the need for veteran players to buy boosters. Veteran players being the folks more willing to invest money in the game. Therefore, respecs = less money for CCP = dead game. Not if they charge AUR for respecs. /Post invalid
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1682	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:01:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM. There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything. EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start... There is no FOTM ATM /Post invalid Logistics of almost any flavour, Duvolle. That's plenty more powerful than the other options at the moment... Thats NOT a FOTM. FOTM is 1 suit/combinations that preforms a LOT better than the rest,with the same or less investment. Logistics is a CLASS, not a specific suit. Plus, People would also spec into asssaults and some into heavies if possible. (Like Amarr assault to use laser weaponry) With SO MANY options, there is no FOTM. The Duvolle is NOT a FOTM,because not everyone is using Duvolle nor favors it. Scrambler rifles,laser rifles, Tac AR, HMG's,shotguns,sMGs...ALL are very popular right now. SO NO there are NO FOTM at the moment.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1682	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:07:00 - [4] - Quote APOPHIS Xxx wrote: DJINNDicknoseturdwaffle wrote: The people who don't want respecs are the ones that suck at this game I wanted more than 1 equipment slot for pc but no assaults don't need it so that's one reason why I didn't come back for very long wasted sp No, the people who wants a respecs are the ones that sucks at this game and not knowing how to properly use their skill points. There's nothing stopping you from playing and saving up more SP's for the skills you SHOULD have skilled up into. Boo hoo....That's why you didn't come back because you didn't get your way!! What a efn BABY! NO RESPEC! Especially for players like yourself! ''No, the people who wants a respecs are the ones that sucks at this game'' Sorry Apophis, i dont consider myself to suck at this game. ''not knowing how to properly use their skill points.'' Skill trees change,have elusive and misleading descriptions PLUS sometimes the only way to test stuff is to buy it.This DOES not help the ''permanent decision '' aspect at all. The best example is the player base decrease lately. ''There's nothing stopping you from playing and saving up more SP's for the skills'' My 12 hours per day job + Collage studies Do prevent this. The fact is, generalising players looking for respecs is very close minded,. Its only natural for a player to be the most they can be, and im sure players denying repecs are scared of what players like me would be able to do if we had all of our SP in 1 specific fit, this is my opinion.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1682	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:08:00 - [5] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Respec's are a bad idea and breaks the game. If a respec ever get's offered for sale... it would ruin any depth this game has and make it some shallow bullshit game, Where everyone could do anything. Example of selfish? Yes that's Respec's. This is an opinion, not facts. In my OPINION,the depth would stay AND we would have replay value,something dust needs urgently.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1683	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:09:00 - [6] - Quote Bethhy wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM. There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything. EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start... There is no FOTM ATM /Post invalid Logistics of almost any flavour, Duvolle. That's plenty more powerful than the other options at the moment... Thats NOT a FOTM. FOTM is 1 suit/combinations that preforms a LOT better than the rest,with the same or less investment. Logistics is a CLASS, not a specific suit. Plus, People would also spec into asssaults and some into heavies if possible. (Like Amarr assault to use laser weaponry) With SO MANY options, there is no FOTM. The Duvolle is NOT a FOTM,because not everyone is using Duvolle nor favors it. Scrambler rifles,laser rifles, Tac AR, HMG's,shotguns,sMGs...ALL are very popular right now. SO NO there are NO FOTM at the moment. Oh and your wrong... But hey King Checkmate talks so much sense on a regular basis? no wait... Wow talking about sense: ''Oh and your wrong..'' Talk about elaborate posts. (you know you are saying the truth when posters just start trying to make you look bad/insult you)
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1683	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:20:00 - [7] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Oh sorry you must be right... thats why War barges in PC's have 80% the same suit and gun... But hey maybe they are using laser rifles and SMG's... like you said. Players in ''Elite'' Clans might be sad ''FOTM'' chasers,and all be running in logis + Balacs, but some people, you know, THE REST of the people want to have fun.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1683	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:21:00 - [8] - Quote Bethhy wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bethhy wrote: Respec's are a bad idea and breaks the game. If a respec ever get's offered for sale... it would ruin any depth this game has and make it some shallow bullshit game, Where everyone could do anything. Example of selfish? Yes that's Respec's. This is an opinion, not facts. In my OPINION,the depth would stay AND we would have replay value,something dust needs urgently. That's fact's practiced in every game that has died out. Welcome to gaming, King Checkmate.. take your selfish notion's of a respec and suck it up, go and level. and save up for new additions and changes like everyone else. The SP and skill system isn't some joke... Its what this game is built around, Not something you can just change on whims and "feeling" you should be able to choose different skills for it to be "fair" Hilarious ''The SP and skill system isn't some joke'' <=== It is a joke,post invalid.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1683	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:26:00 - [9] - Quote Bethhy wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bethhy wrote: Oh sorry you must be right... thats why War barges in PC's have 80% the same suit and gun... But hey maybe they are using laser rifles and SMG's... like you said. Players in ''Elite'' Clans might be sad ''FOTM'' chasers,and all be running in logis + Balacs, but some people, you know, THE REST of the people want to have fun. That doesn't even make sense for an argument of what people are using for suit's and fittings... At least in the context of DUST. I know you dont understand the definition of having fun. Its sad. Anyhow ; It does, I agree that after everything is out , no more respec,but in the meantime,people want to test stuff, amend errors from their past, and plain have fun. So while CCP fixes this mess of a game, the best they can do for their players is to offere a way of respec for at least give us replay value and test different fits. If there is a ''FOTM'', is because people dont know better. YOU dont know better. Everybody running MED frames + AR's would probably change if we could be able to change and test stuff..
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1686	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:44:00 - [10] - Quote ''Do you actually remember what happened after that respec? Because it changed the entire balance of the game.. as well as started the FOTM cycle.... Aswell as put everyone in Proto suit's ruining any NPE for DUST 514 launch.'' You are right,but after that respec we had a FOTM.now we dont. What put everyone in Proto suits was NOT the respec, but the AURUM protos. ''NEOs'' and what not. ''Not to mention it was a respec after taking all the suit's out of the game that where there for a year and relaunching them racial from Open beta -> DUST launch... '' We dont have ALL the suits, so as soon as we have Dust 2.0 with more suits another respec would be fine then? ''Any new additions to the game we can save for and level for. '' True we can, BUT still; the time invested for SP is already invested.The SP incorreclty spent is already lost. And thats not good.Not good for the heavy that wanted Heavy minmatar but there were only Amarr heavies. Not fair For Minmatar scouts that wanted to use an amarr scout, and so on... ''Any changes to skill multiplyer's or skill tree's CCP has always reimbursed to reallocate... Rapid Reload is an example went from a 6x skill to a 3x skill and we got the SP refunded to reallocate'' True, and there by a good CCP decision. You know, for a person you consider that never makes sense,you re actually giving me quite the attention Bethy Hmmm

KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1686	Posted - 2013.10.11 03:17:00 - [11] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Yesterday I was using the squad finder and got into a match with some pretty laid back guys. We were doing good rolling over waves of Gallente when we started talking about re-specs. I said I wanted one, he didn't because "all the noobs who didn't know how to play the game would get protosuits." So... Some are scared that the common raspberry might be able to shoot back. All I want is to spec out of nades and snipers. They are scared of a proto suit,The MAG respecs system was awesome
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1697	Posted - 2013.10.12 22:06:00 - [12] - Quote Void Echo wrote: well... if I don't get a respect when the vehicle changes come, youl never see my ass logged into dust again.. a lot of other people have already left because they don't have enough sp to enjoy the game or skill into what they want when they have a few million SP. respecs would save the game if only it happened once a major change would be implemented, no other time, other than that, youl have to pay aurum for one. to all you who say respecs would hurt the game, this game is nearly dead because its stale and nothing new is here, people already have their ** maxed out to the point where its ridiculous not to have a respect. "it ruins the meaning of the game" .... ok so you would rather keep this game nearly dead than have a lot of people come back because your a diehard eve pilot? For once i can 100% agree with void. LOL As it is, everyone want to keep the game with no respecs but the GAME is dying,** new content is not comming out fast enough and a repec option would breathe some new life into dust. For those who say: ''There is infinite SP, just grind'' 1-Grinding is a horrible game mechanic that everybody hates. I would (personally i dont speak in the name of my corp or anything) love to see a SP cap, say 20-30 mill. But instead have a regular (Say once every 6 months) to repec option. 2-SP is infinite, the time people have isnt. I Work 10 hours a day and study in collage, is a MIRACLE im still playing a game as time consuming as DUST. as it is,many people that have busy lives have already left,and might consider coming back if they could just avoid the grind and use their well deserved SP to skill into something they are interested in.......

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