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Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:06:00 -
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Respec's are a bad idea and breaks the game.
If a respec ever get's offered for sale... it would ruin any depth this game has and make it some shallow bullshit game, Where everyone could do anything.
Example of selfish? Yes that's Respec's. |
Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:07:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:All that will happen if you give out a respec is that people will immediately chase the FotM and whine for another one when the FotM changes. If you implement a system that allows you to respec often, then everyone chases the FotM.
There are problems with the SP system, but a respec is not a magic bullet to fix everything.
EDIT - There should be an exception when the rest of the racial content is released. It should have been there from the start... There is no FOTM ATM
/Post invalid Logistics of almost any flavour, Duvolle. That's plenty more powerful than the other options at the moment... Thats NOT a FOTM.FOTM is 1 suit/combinations that preforms a LOT better than the rest,with the same or less investment. Logistics is a CLASS, not a specific suit. Plus, People would also spec into asssaults and some into heavies if possible. (Like Amarr assault to use laser weaponry) With SO MANY options, there is no FOTM.The Duvolle is NOT a FOTM,because not everyone is using Duvolle nor favors it. Scrambler rifles,laser rifles, Tac AR, HMG's,shotguns,sMGs...ALL are very popular right now. SO NO there are NO FOTM at the moment.
Oh and your wrong... But hey King Checkmate talks so much sense on a regular basis? no wait...
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Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:12:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bethhy wrote:Respec's are a bad idea and breaks the game.
If a respec ever get's offered for sale... it would ruin any depth this game has and make it some shallow bullshit game, Where everyone could do anything.
Example of selfish? Yes that's Respec's. This is an opinion, not facts.In my OPINION,the depth would stay AND we would have replay value,something dust needs urgently.
That's fact's practiced in every game that has died out. Welcome to gaming, King Checkmate.. take your selfish notion's of a respec and suck it up, go and level. and save up for new additions and changes like everyone else.
The SP and skill system isn't some joke... Its what this game is built around, Not something you can just change on whims and "feeling" you should be able to choose different skills for it to be "fair"
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Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:18:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Wow talking about sense: ''Oh and your wrong..''
Talk about elaborate posts.
(you know you are saying the truth when posters just start trying to make you look bad/insult you)
Oh sorry you must be right... thats why War barges in PC's have 80% the same suit and gun... But hey maybe they are using laser rifles and SMG's... like you said. |
Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:23:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bethhy wrote:
Oh sorry you must be right... thats why War barges in PC's have 80% the same suit and gun... But hey maybe they are using laser rifles and SMG's... like you said.
Players in ''Elite'' Clans might be sad ''FOTM'' chasers,and all be running in logis + Balacs, but some people, you know, THE REST of the people want to have fun.
That doesn't even make sense for an argument of what people are using for suit's and fittings... At least in the context of DUST. |
Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:27:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Bethhy wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Bethhy wrote:Respec's are a bad idea and breaks the game.
If a respec ever get's offered for sale... it would ruin any depth this game has and make it some shallow bullshit game, Where everyone could do anything.
Example of selfish? Yes that's Respec's. This is an opinion, not facts.In my OPINION,the depth would stay AND we would have replay value,something dust needs urgently. That's fact's practiced in every game that has died out. Welcome to gaming, King Checkmate.. take your selfish notion's of a respec and suck it up, go and level. and save up for new additions and changes like everyone else. The SP and skill system isn't some joke... Its what this game is built around, Not something you can just change on whims and "feeling" you should be able to choose different skills for it to be "fair" Hilarious You are aware that we already had a respec after "official release" and that the sky actually didn't explode, right? Wow, shocking, I'm sure. And lmao at so many options, MANY players are already maxed into a few roles and there are actually extremely few roles in this game to begin with. I'm praying you're still new here, or maybe you really are still drinking the punch ::shrugs:: Respecs only hurt egos because the skill tree is painfully shallow as it is. I'm sorry you want to believe that DUST is currently something that it's not, but down here in the real world, the game is still pretty tiny and still in beta.
Do you actually remember what happened after that respec? Because it changed the entire balance of the game.. as well as started the FOTM cycle.... Aswell as put everyone in Proto suit's ruining any NPE for DUST 514 launch.
Not to mention it was a respec after taking all the suit's out of the game that where there for a year and relaunching them racial from Open beta -> DUST launch...
At which time CCP told EVERYONE this is your last respec spend well.
Any new additions to the game we can save for and level for.
Any changes to skill multiplyer's or skill tree's CCP has always reimbursed to reallocate... Rapid Reload is an example went from a 6x skill to a 3x skill and we got the SP refunded to reallocate. |
Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:50:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I've argued in this same thread time after time so you all can have at it, just don't be upset when 1.7 comes with a full SP and asset refund in the face of removing 10 vehicles, changing around a ton of vehicle skills, and likely uprooting the whole AV vs Vehicle balance.
It doesn't affect me either way because this game is obnoxiously easy in most cases, and you really don't even need proto in anything to stomp anything other than PC (which still is a guaranteed system freeze for me).
Respecs or skill reallocation systems are about taking SP that are no longer relevant to you as a player and putting them to better use. Unlike EVE, you only have one style of play in DUST for the most part, kill the other dood. You can't play the market. You can't do PvE. You can't do industry. You can't gank. You can't do PI, scan down ships to rob, hold people ransom, or lock down an entire region of space because you're a prick. You can't mine or scam people (well, I guess you technically can, but nothing like in EVE). You don't have a huge pool of skills to choose from, you don't have tons of ships and weapons unlocked with each skill, you don't have a wide arrays of playstyles to choose from because they simply do not exist.
The game is not EVE right now, it's a very pale and distant shadow. Treating a work in progress like a finished product just leads to player burnout and bad press.
You do understand that EVE was considered a beta product for over 5 years by every major MMO website and publisher.... If you believe EVE was this polished when i was playing it in Open beta... or even 4 years after that.. your mistaken... Did anyone get a respec ever in the history of EVE? nope.
DUST in it's first year is 100 times better place for content then EVE was.... What it's lacking compared to EVE is solid core game mechanic's, a user interface that is second to none... And fix the massive FPS problems in competitive PVP.
If we can't build a solid base game... then adding anything to it is more headache then it should be and rapid fire content patches become this delayed mess with good intentions. |
Bethhy
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:34:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:[quote=Ansiiis The Trustworthy]
You are badly informed. There is practically always an FotM - at the moment it's logistics suit of choice plus damage modded Duvolle. Hasn't that been the FotM forever? I've seen them used with a 6 man Balac's squad. Not quite forever, though it does tend to be similar - once upon a time it was laser rifles, then Calogis with TARs, then Core Flaylocks, etc. Not exactly like that...Newberry. Lets see it was SL that did OHK on infantry, Creodon AR, Disco shoes Scout suits, Sagaris, RE AKA Atomic Frisbees, long range scrambler pistols, mass driver, HMG, dropships doing 100 and 0, Viziam laser,murder taxi, fused contact grenades, TAR, Core flaylocks And I know I missed four or five more of them...wait! free militia vehicles with tanks and dropships on every high tower, Orbitals from damageing LAVs and repairing them
The Black op's tank's, Chakram was pretty nasty... 5 bullet Allotek burst rifles with the amazing scope was just a gun that looked futuristic.. |
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