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Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
105
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:10:00 -
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You have screwed with the dropship pilots for too long. If you remove them in the next patch, you will lose nearly all of us. You have ignored us, abused us, disregarded our plea for help and support, and frankly, I've had enough.
For over a year we have asked for a buff, and to no avail. and now you have ruined the camera settings on the dropships so we can't even see where we are flying anymore. You ARE killing the game for us, and you are making the game completely biased for infantry.
On top of your lack of support towards the pilot community, your lack of visible effort in almost every other part of the game is unacceptable. You refuse point blank to tell us what your updates are going to be until its too late to get any potential player saving feedback. One example is a post of 1.5 update notes written in a language designed to trick people into thinking it is readable?
All I can say, is that your game had immense potential, and was a baby that needed nurtured in every aspect. Its like never allowing a baby to learn to walk, you cripple it forever. I feel that Dust514 is in need of a better home, with more communication with its community.
If you ignore this post for over a week, I am quitting Dust. Your call.
all that is left to say is.. what have you got to say for yourselves? |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
335
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:35:00 -
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Bad day
You will just have to be patient, sadly no one gives a fk about you, sorry. |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
106
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:39:00 -
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tell me about it |
Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
1087
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Posted - 2013.10.10 14:08:00 -
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I've made a couple of idea on how Dropships could be rebalanced (This character being skilled into every type of dropship, I have plenty of time to think about it while respawning...).
1) Forge Guns. Fudge the Forge Guns. Keep them, but fudge them. I'd be happy with anything, as long as you made it so Forges can't destroy us. They would be able to knock us around, for sure, but maybe even the prototype does just over 100 damage? Those are the only things really keeping us from doing anything with dropships. One forge guns enters play, it's basically telling every dropship to break itself, and save itself from a painful demise.
2) Free Dropships. Having completely free dropships BPOs when you start the game will urge newer players and even vets to take out a dropship and have a blast in the sky, without needing to worry about ISK price. If I died in a free Gorgon, I wouldn't even care, I'd just enjoy being able to fly without my wallet being [killed]. Besides, it's pretty hard to murder taxi in a flying vehicle, and if you're accurate enough to ram a dropship into an infantry, you deserve that kill.
3) Price reduction. At the moment, dropships Risk/Reward is way more balanced towards Risk. The new WP bonuses in 1.5 sort of fixed it, but they still cost to much to make back in one match, making pilot-specific characters terribly scarce. Because like I said, one Forge Gun joins the match and every ship ever is obliterated.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head, but these changes will do a lot towards balancing Dropships, and stuff. |
deezy dabest
Warpoint Sharx
55
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Posted - 2013.10.10 14:08:00 -
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inb4 can i haz your isk
oh wait we dropship pilots are all broke anyway :( |
Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
1087
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Posted - 2013.10.10 14:10:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:inb4 can i haz your isk
oh wait we dropship pilots are all broke anyway :(
Exactly. |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
107
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Posted - 2013.10.10 14:18:00 -
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Artificer Ghost wrote:deezy dabest wrote:inb4 can i haz your isk
oh wait we dropship pilots are all broke anyway :( Exactly.
damn straight. I got given 30m 6-7 days ago, down to 4m now.. not even funny |
deezy dabest
Warpoint Sharx
55
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Posted - 2013.10.10 14:41:00 -
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When I first heard they were removing my logi ship I took part in quite a few of the flame threads that all popped up.
Is it going to suck going back to nothing but a basic elevator for my sniper suit instead of my ship actually contributing? YES Once I calmed down and thought about it, I realized that maybe just maybe they recognize that dropships are seriously flawed and by going back down to the basic ones the necessary changes to balance all of the vehicles with the ground weapons (*cough* FG *cough*) while not negatively affecting those aspects can be made a bit easier.
As long as they dont move at their normal pace on making changes, Im cool with and even somewhat happy with the removal. I feel like we will see some nice movement in the basic ships and all feel the same eventually. In the mean time be glad that the forge gunner just cost you 120k instead of 540k. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1064
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:01:00 -
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Dropships are transport vehicles intended for large maps.
Since those large maps don't actually exist yet, everything to do with dropships is broken. |
deezy dabest
Warpoint Sharx
55
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Posted - 2013.10.10 15:08:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:Dropships are transport vehicles intended for large maps.
Since those large maps don't actually exist yet, everything to do with dropships is broken.
I have to disagree.
With my logi dropship and a squad mate on mic using the turrets to spot for me I am able to provide active scanning staying right on top of the battle the whole time, even at the risk of losing quite a bit of isk.
While running as infantry I have dealt with assault dropship users that would also agree. |
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BARDAS
DUST University Ivy League
637
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Posted - 2013.10.10 16:20:00 -
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You need to adopt the Scout mentality. We are already dead. All of our clones, every last one. No one will hear us scream and no one will save us. Anyone who is not a masochist will be culled from the herd or switch to medium assault or logi.
(I assume that eventually vehicles and scouts will be fixed, hopefully sooner rather than SoonGäó) |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1108
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Posted - 2013.10.10 16:35:00 -
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Medium Tanking Mods.
That is all. |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
577
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Posted - 2013.10.10 16:43:00 -
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Scouts, Heavies, and pilots are the DUST minorities and in need of a good lawyer to get some serious justice. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3761
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:05:00 -
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Artificer Ghost wrote:I've made a couple of idea on how Dropships could be rebalanced (This character being skilled into every type of dropship, I have plenty of time to think about it while respawning...).
1) Forge Guns. Fudge the Forge Guns. Keep them, but fudge them. I'd be happy with anything, as long as you made it so Forges can't destroy us. They would be able to knock us around, for sure, but maybe even the prototype does just over 100 damage? Those are the only things really keeping us from doing anything with dropships. One forge guns enters play, it's basically telling every dropship to break itself, and save itself from a painful demise.
2) Free Dropships. Having completely free dropships BPOs when you start the game will urge newer players and even vets to take out a dropship and have a blast in the sky, without needing to worry about ISK price. If I died in a free Gorgon, I wouldn't even care, I'd just enjoy being able to fly without my wallet being [killed]. Besides, it's pretty hard to murder taxi in a flying vehicle, and if you're accurate enough to ram a dropship into an infantry, you deserve that kill.
3) Price reduction. At the moment, dropships Risk/Reward is way more balanced towards Risk. The new WP bonuses in 1.5 sort of fixed it, but they still cost to much to make back in one match, making pilot-specific characters terribly scarce. Because like I said, one Forge Gun joins the match and every ship ever is obliterated.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head, but these changes will do a lot towards balancing Dropships, and stuff.
Wow.
Your first suggestion is god awful. Prototype forge guns doing a hundred damage, really. That means it takes at least a dozen shots to kill a militia LAV sitting still. A direct headshot with a forge gun on infantry wouldn't kill anything but unfitted scouts. Even a full squad of them wouldn't worry any vehicle user pretty much ever.
Your second suggestion isn't terrible, but there are a lot of problems with free vehicles as a concept.
Your third suggestion I agree with, and I seem to recall that a price reduction was promised for dropships. It never happened, though.
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CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
403
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:17:00 -
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how is a free default vehicle horrible?
the only who wanted them removed were the ones who loved to stand in the middle of the road and get ran over..
and that still happens.
i would actually like to have a free default gorgon to use as a missile to crash into other derpships.
im pretty sure the main reason ccp removed free default vehicles was because ppl would start spamming them constantly to try to prove a point.
thats all ive seen before their removal.
and to the fg nerf. no just no..
stop hating the individual gun when it comes to stuff like this.
the thing at work there would be damage mods. |
Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
1087
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:34:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Your first suggestion is god awful. Prototype forge guns doing a hundred damage, really.
Think you misunderstood me, mate. I said 100 damage to DROPSHIPS. Half the battle with Forge Gun VS Dropship is the fact that one shot can knock you into a building, or the ground, or even another dropship. I can understand that you thought I meant 100 damage to ALL vehicles, but yea. I meant just to derpships. :P
I'm actually a fan of the Forge Gun. The fact that it hits Infantry as hard as it hits tanks is a little iffy, but balanced out by the low splash (That Assault Forge Gun though... So much hate). It's a precision weapon that hits like a truck and has a charge-up time. I'm always a fan of precision weapons. Always. Plasma Cannons especially. |
Skipper Jones
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Public Disorder.
858
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:42:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:You have screwed with the dropship pilots for too long. If you remove them in the next patch, you will lose nearly all of us. You have ignored us, abused us, disregarded our plea for help and support, and frankly, I've had enough.
For over a year we have asked for a buff, and to no avail. and now you have ruined the camera settings on the dropships so we can't even see where we are flying anymore. You ARE killing the game for us, and you are making the game completely biased for infantry.
On top of your lack of support towards the pilot community, your lack of visible effort in almost every other part of the game is unacceptable. You refuse point blank to tell us what your updates are going to be until its too late to get any potential player saving feedback. One example is a post of 1.5 update notes written in a language designed to trick people into thinking it is readable?
All I can say, is that your game had immense potential, and was a baby that needed nurtured in every aspect. Its like never allowing a baby to learn to walk, you cripple it forever. I feel that Dust514 is in need of a better home, with more communication with its community.
If you ignore this post for over a week, I am quitting Dust. Your call.
all that is left to say is.. what have you got to say for yourselves?
Yet, another dusty thinks if he insults CCP enough they'll change. And that if he threatens to leave then they will bow down and cry for him to stay.
Ugh. Another one bites the dust |
Lanius Pulvis
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:16:00 -
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Personaly I'd hate to see a free BPO of DS, but perhaps 5 to 10 free like the LAV. It would give new players a chance to find out if it's something they want to pursue or not. I'd also hate to see any changes to make piloting easier as some threads have suggested; it should be a tough skill to master, that's half of what makes it rewarding.
As to price though...both ISK and SP are incredibly steep for something that has so few ways to earn points. Let's look at the ways we can earn points as a transport pilot.
1) Carry troops and deliver them safely and hope they live the full minute and earn some WP. A medic only has to revive you, not wait til you earn points. A logi can heal you and walk away. Any drop uplink just requires you spawn, same-ish with nano-hives.
2) Gunners kill targets. Harder to accomplish enough kills to be worth it without an ADS. Targets with AV have a better chance against us because all they have to do is duck behind a pillar for a minute so their shields can recharge from the laughable amount of damage you were able to do with the one gun you could probably bring to bear. Where's MY **** forge gun.
3) Scanning and then hoping someone kills those targets you just lit. The amount of risk we have to incur to get close enough to positions to use these versus the reward is ludicrous! By comparison a militia fit with a scanner can do the same job, get the same reward, and if he dies he's only out 8 or 9k ISK.
If there are others I'm missing, please post them. Bottom line: 1) Make it a high flat rate reward for the drop off. 2) Improve the targeting of missile turrets or dramatically increase splash damage (I mean really, if I strafe with my AR the rounds still go where the crosshairs were, missiles curve apparently) 3) Shorten the range on FGs. Don't touch damage, a FG should still be able to kill you in a tight LZ. 4) Increase the range on airborne scanners, I should be able to spot the swarm launcher if he's close enough for a lock! I apologize for the wall, it comes close to expressing my frustration. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
222
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:46:00 -
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To be honest CCP, "if it ain't broke don't fix it" what i mean is that it was fine the way it was before 1.4 just add a scanner and you could see underneath you, 1.4 i can't see behind me. |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
109
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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:32:00 -
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The dropship can be killed in 1-2 shots by mostly any form of AV. arguing speed is the advantage is bull because we cant out-fly FG or Swarms (especially invisible swarms). My 1.3m isk python can be taken from full flight speed and full hp, to crashing in flames, with ONE breach forge gun hit. NOTHING should one hit anything. CCP obviously agreed with that principal else they wouldn't have nerfed sniper rifles |
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Tanis Jumes
Thors Guard Adventures The Council of Yggdrasil
54
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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:49:00 -
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I don't pilot drop-ships at all, aside from militia to just get across the map, but what you're saying is true. The drop-ships used to be a real pain in the F*CKING ass to deal with during the closed beta but now all I hear is "Im broke, CCP you suck!" They should fix them so you aren't being cheated out of your ISK and Skill Points. Or at-least add PvE so we can farm and actually afford crap. |
Telleth
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
153
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:02:00 -
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What if forges just weren't as accurate, if the center of the forge shot would be a random spot within the aiming reticule. Make it so that a shot 100m or less is a fairly easy shot, and over 100m a lot more difficult, but not impossible. Breach and assaults could vary the amount of shake involved.
Add that to the damage value balances that are going to be needed after the vehicle patch, a good starting point for better balance.
As to the original thread about CCP and the seemingly constant missteps with vehicle users, it does feel rather rough on our end. A solid two months knowing that any sp and actual practice piloting are going to be started over is kinda no fun. The current proposed changes don't make much sense to current vehicle users and because it's hard to picture what CCP's vision is for vehicle use, especially not seeing the other half of the picture with the AV changes that will be coming.
Putting CCP Logibro and CCP Mintchip on specific vehicle user communication, would help. and I don't mean just responding to the one stickied post that is over 20 pages long, getting in and at least a "we've heard your complaint/suggestion" post on a lot of the smaller posts. Vehicle users could do with a reminder that we are a portion of the game, not the whole thing, and that there are lots of different things going on, it takes time to get it right. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
533
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:19:00 -
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You actually think they'll reply?
Which CCP are you thinking of??? |
watcher 19
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:09:00 -
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My dropship pilot bretheren we feel your pain. For the longest there are those of us who have been demanding that ccp fix the lack of canon and finish making the races but like you our pleas fall on deaf ears.
MY BRETHREN CCP HAS BETRAYED US MERCS. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE ABOUSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE WE MUST TAKE ACTION, WE MUST DO SOMETHING TO GAIN THEIR ATTENTION. MY PILOT BROTHERS WE SHALL SEE HOW BADLY CCP SCREWS US OVER IN THE MONTH OR SO AND WHEN THEY DO WE DO THE ONE THING NO MONEY GRABBING CORPORATION LIKES WE MAKE THEM LOSE MONEY. HOW DO WE DO THIS SIMPLE WE LEAVE WITH NO SUPPORT FROM THE FANS AND VERY FEW PEOPLE PLAYING CCP WILL COLLAPSE ,BUT BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION US CANIN DEMANDERS HAVE GIVEN CCP A MONTH TO MAKE THE CORRECT CHANGES IF THEY FAIL WE LEAVE THEY LOSE MONEY. SO PREPARE YOUR SELVES MY BROTHERS WE WILL TAKE ACTION NOBODY BACK STABS THE EVE MERCS AND GET AWAY WITH IT AND I MEAN NO ONE!! |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
659
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:24:00 -
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when I see a dropship in the air I think 'oh, they surrendered.' |
lrian Locust
We Who Walk Alone
176
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:44:00 -
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Artificer Ghost wrote:2) Free Dropships. Having completely free dropships BPOs when you start the game will urge newer players and even vets to take out a dropship and have a blast in the sky, without needing to worry about ISK price.
3) Price reduction. At the moment, dropships Risk/Reward is way more balanced towards Risk. The new WP bonuses in 1.5 sort of fixed it, but they still cost to much to make back in one match, making pilot-specific characters terribly scarce.
I like this. Can we get free-but-pretty-useless dropships, so we can try them out? I usually steal them when sniping at the enemies redline, but can hardly get them off the ground. If people could give them a spin, they'd have fun, we'll get more pilots & CCP gets more players. Win-win-win! |
lrian Locust
We Who Walk Alone
176
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:00:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:NOTHING should one hit anything. CCP obviously agreed with that principal else they wouldn't have nerfed sniper rifles With a proto Charge Sniper Rifle, full proficiency and 3 complex damage mods you can OHK most scouts and assaults (with a headshot). But you still need up to 9 body shots, 2 reloads and 16 seconds to kill a fully buffed heavy with a standard sniper rifle. If anything, sniping needs a buff. That ninja nerf recently was completely unnecessary.
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Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
118
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:13:00 -
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slowly wasting away... can feel my dropsuit sifting to dust .. |
Levithunder
Butt Hurt Try Hards
86
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Posted - 2013.10.12 04:40:00 -
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Wow ccp none of you devs can reply to save 1 costumer ? that's pretty pethetic. |
Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
1091
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:06:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:slowly wasting away... can feel my dropsuit sifting to dust ..
HAH, PUN! :D
I'm sorry. :(
And to Levi; I love CCP, I really do. I've been playing this game for almost a full year, and I'd say I'm one of the more skilled players out there. Not as good as some of the more famous names, but when it comes to spreadsheet work and statistics, I'm your guy. Plus, I almost go positive in a standard scout suit with a MLT AR. Get on my level.
Anyways, like I said, I love CCP, and I love what they do, but the fact is that they honestly couldn't care less about one customer. If you want to lost faith in this game that WILL get better (Thanks to the new EP...), then you probably should just go anyways. I know a lot of people are fed up, but you just need to be patient. With this next patch, the game will get better (An unfitted Grimsnes is as tanky as a super-buffed Prometheus, but it's faster and has more passenger slots). So I would hold on just a little bit, until you see what the new vehicles are like, because I have a good feeling about it.
Back to my point, because I keep on getting sidetracked by myself: They have a successful PC MMO with however many thousands of players each paying 15$ per month. This game is basically an experiment for console gaming. But I'm sure they're working hard and getting things done. Just the fact that they pulled out the vehicle buffs and saved them for 1.6 means that at least one team is thinking "You know, let's get more play-testing done before we get this out, and work out the kinks". I don't know about other people, but I honestly would've liked them to have moved it anyways.
TL;DR: There is no TL;DR, read all of my post. >:( |
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