Exactly.

What if forges just weren't as accurate, if the center of the forge shot would be a random spot within the aiming reticule. Make it so that a shot 100m or less is a fairly easy shot, and over 100m a lot more difficult, but not impossible. Breach and assaults could vary the amount of shake involved.

Add that to the damage value balances that are going to be needed after the vehicle patch, a good starting point for better balance.

As to the original thread about CCP and the seemingly constant missteps with vehicle users, it does feel rather rough on our end. A solid two months knowing that any sp and actual practice piloting are going to be started over is kinda no fun. The current proposed changes don't make much sense to current vehicle users and because it's hard to picture what CCP's vision is for vehicle use, especially not seeing the other half of the picture with the AV changes that will be coming.

Putting CCP Logibro and CCP Mintchip on specific vehicle user communication, would help. and I don't mean just responding to the one stickied post that is over 20 pages long, getting in and at least a "we've heard your complaint/suggestion" post on a lot of the smaller posts. Vehicle users could do with a reminder that we are a portion of the game, not the whole thing, and that there are lots of different things going on, it takes time to get it right.

So, BURN JITA? Raze some monuments? Kill a giant Concord fleet? Logging and not coming back certainly doesn't work. Maybe something slightly different like Burn Mission Hubs Eve side in a formal declaration that if they aren't in Dust soon so people can make non pvp isk, eve won't have it either? Kryosageddon to advocate Dust based PI? Mario Kart Style PC matches with every merc in a vehicle of any type with race conditions set pre PC so both teams can participate?

I hope that your method of or else has more weight than just leaving the game.

You know, there are more play styles then the DS pilot right?

What do you want then to post that you don't already know?

Vehicles are pushed back. Everyone knows it, and they don't like to repeat themselves. That's what the search function is for.

So are scouts.

But you don't see them going "buff me I'm going to quit!"

Relax, put a few SPs in a armor tanked suit, and await buff.

Lvl 1 Gal Med, AR, plates, rep and SMG.

Fill your highs with militia randoms, and await buffing.

It tough being in the vehicle field, but you just need to adapt or die right now.

Be lucky your being spoken of getting a buff, imagine all the heavies with machine guns that can't do any real damage beyond 30 meters and even then have a good deal of trouble hitting. Or the NKing scouts.

I'm going to have to agree with Meeko Fent here.

Get a crap fit, and build up your wallet while you wait to be buffed. Gallente Mediums, btw, are one of the better Mediums out there. I didn't look into the math and stuff, but I've heard from various people stating that the Gallente Medium is one of, if not the, best basic frames in the game currently. No idea why. Might be slot counts.

A part of the problem for vehicles, I've found, are that AI turrets are literally targeting you from across the map. I was sitting a little bit outside the city in one of the maps (The one with the rings), and I was getting shot at by a Railgun from the enemy redline, about 300ish meters away. I didn't see an exact number, I can only tell you it was really far. And I can promise you it was an AI turret, because that's what showed up on the killboard.

My assault dropship is used for tank hunting with squadmates, and to clear off roofs that are spammed with uplinks (though a forge gunner or a few swarms can completely negate that).