Sisi?

Sisi?

It's where DUST was operating through a lot of it's closed beta phase. And where they do a majority of tests for EVE online, and probably now DUST aswell.

Crystal balling that 1.6 will be awsome and now placing unrealistic expectations on ccp

So I guess we are going to need respecs because they said that assault rifles were just place holders for for the combat and rail rifle types.

CCP has confirmed they will not be removing any Assault Rifle variations. Placeholders or not, they're staying.

So I guess we are going to need respecs because they said that assault rifles were just place holders for for the combat and rail rifle types.

Done, so far.

Also, most of the Dust 514 testing is done on Buckingham now, to my knowledge

Updated with complete list of Vehicle Skills and their bonuses.

I would also like to point out that, based on the descriptions, one can speculate that the Combat Rifle is semi-automatic and the Rail Rifle is fully automatic.

LOL you're a funny guy

All of this was pushed back beyond 1.6, as confirmed by CCP.



CCP has confirmed they will not be removing any Assault Rifle variations. Placeholders or not, they're staying.

I dont think you understand how the crystal ball works

My understanding was the Combat Rifle is going to be like the Burst AR and the Rail is like the Breach AR, to follow with the Scram being like the Tac AR

Updated with complete list of Vehicle Skills and their bonuses.

I would also like to point out that, based on the descriptions, one can speculate that the Combat Rifle is semi-automatic and the Rail Rifle is fully automatic.

I'd say the former is burst, and the latter is slow automatic if anything.

Both weapons have separate "assault" variants listed. I'd assume it takes the combat rifle and makes is full-auto, and takes the rail and makes it fire faster. Otherwise, what are we guessing the "assault" variants would do? Within their "variant" framework they seem to have give the guns full-auto versions to start if nothing else so people can have that comforting Gallente AR feel with some variant of the weapon.

(I realize the Combat Rifle says semi, and the Rail says fully auto - but the assault, etc. descriptions are identical too, which hasn't represented how variants have worked with other guns)

Yeh, it's all speculation really. Can never really judge how something is going to work from the descriptions.

A long long time ago when they first put the 'Shock' Assault and 'Hunter' Scout featured fits on Sisi I freaked out with glee thinking they were specialized suits with bonuses and what not based solely on their descriptions.

Could I have been more wrong.

No heavy content as per normal.

Did you have any reason to expect otherwise?

They were vague about "new weapons". Two weapons is the minimum they can add and have the plural be accurate. It's possible people thought all sorts of new things were coming in 1.6, and even conservative estimates might have been "the two rifles and two pistols."

So... I can see people being annoyed.

I'd personally prefer missing suits to guns in a way, because the time and build considerations for suits are much much higher than they are for new weapons. Heavies are somewhat more... lacking than guns as well.

But they never mentioned anything on the board at Fanfest 2013 - so why assume that they magically came up with something when they already had concepts fleshed out?

I meant they were vague about new weapons when they hinted at them for 1.6 before they were pushed back. People had the range/damage profile dev blog from awhile back with names, etc. - and so anything unreleased from that was probably fair game in those people's mind.

Like I said, I would've assume the missing pistols/rifles as a conservative estimate since we had commentary about those at fanfest. The Amarr Heavy weapon, etc. that were TBAs in the range profile seemed less likely to me.

Having just the two rifles is something of a let down, if that winds up being the case. Of course, they were already pushed from 1.6, so the disappointment is already flow-y.

We've had side comments from Devs about the Gallente Heavy looking cool in the past month, but they've been playing with the Combat/Rail rifles since before fanfest. It's frustrating to see them take so long to materialize.

Edit: As of yet these are all the screenshots I have/felt were necessary. Will update with more information as I mine data stuffs.

BEAR IN MIND ALL INFORMATION IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE - BEWARE THE CRYSTAL BALL

Note: color is inverted for some weird reason

More Boosters

More Active-Omega Boosters
Faction Boosters (??? Edit: Probably for completing new tutorial)



Standard Combat Rifles
Advanced Combat Rifles
Prototype Combat Rifles

Standard Rail Rifles
Advanced Rail Rifles
Prototype Rail Rifles



Combat Rifle Skills
(edit: Note shown: Combat Rifle Sharpshooter - 5% reduction in dispersion per level)
Rail Rifle Skills




Vehicle Damage Mods (now with the basic/enhanced/complex layout we see in dropsuit modules)
Vehicle Armor Repair Modules (same)
Missile Ammo Expansion Unit Modules (similar for blasters/rails)
Vehicle Turrets (variations such as compressed nyxxed)
Militia Vehicle Mods (including ammo capacity/damage amplifiers)



'Praetorian VII' Madrugar
'Grayscale' Saga
'Nullarbor' Myron
'Logicloop' Scout M-I
'Remnant IX' Logistics mk.0
'Hellmar' Sentinel ak.0
'Tigris' Sentinel A-I
'Flying Scotsman' Assault ck.0
'Foxfour' Assault G-I
'Rattati' Assault G/1-Series
'Wolfman' Assault A/1-Series



Turret Operation
http://i.imgur.com/YObi9Tv.png
http://i.imgur.com/TGJg0r5.png
http://i.imgur.com/xuY212H.png
http://i.imgur.com/0blYQBS.png

Vehicle Upgrades
http://i.imgur.com/nSebJgO.png
http://i.imgur.com/tXXLRJk.png
http://i.imgur.com/m54f1PP.png

Turret Upgrades
http://i.imgur.com/74XiXIX.png

I dont think you understand how the crystal ball works

They were vague about "new weapons". Two weapons is the minimum they can add and have the plural be accurate. It's possible people thought all sorts of new things were coming in 1.6, and even conservative estimates might have been "the two rifles and two pistols." .

What is funny about it? They said that guns like the AR and TAR were placeholders for the combat and rail rifles. Now all they are doing is renaming them and adding more skills to use them. That isn't diversifying the weapon pool, it's just making it needlessly bigger.

Edit: As of yet these are all the screenshots I have/felt were necessary. Will update with more information as I mine data stuffs.

BEAR IN MIND ALL INFORMATION IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE - BEWARE THE CRYSTAL BALL

Note: color is inverted for some weird reason

More Boosters

More Active-Omega Boosters
Faction Boosters (??? Edit: Probably for completing new tutorial)



Standard Combat Rifles
Advanced Combat Rifles
Prototype Combat Rifles

Standard Rail Rifles
Advanced Rail Rifles
Prototype Rail Rifles



Combat Rifle Skills
(edit: Note shown: Combat Rifle Sharpshooter - 5% reduction in dispersion per level)
Rail Rifle Skills




Vehicle Damage Mods (now with the basic/enhanced/complex layout we see in dropsuit modules)
Vehicle Armor Repair Modules (same)
Missile Ammo Expansion Unit Modules (similar for blasters/rails)
Vehicle Turrets (variations such as compressed nyxxed)
Militia Vehicle Mods (including ammo capacity/damage amplifiers)



'Praetorian VII' Madrugar
'Grayscale' Saga
'Nullarbor' Myron
'Logicloop' Scout M-I
'Remnant IX' Logistics mk.0
'Hellmar' Sentinel ak.0
'Tigris' Sentinel A-I
'Flying Scotsman' Assault ck.0
'Foxfour' Assault G-I
'Rattati' Assault G/1-Series
'Wolfman' Assault A/1-Series



Turret Operation
http://i.imgur.com/YObi9Tv.png
http://i.imgur.com/TGJg0r5.png
http://i.imgur.com/xuY212H.png
http://i.imgur.com/0blYQBS.png

Vehicle Upgrades
http://i.imgur.com/nSebJgO.png
http://i.imgur.com/tXXLRJk.png
http://i.imgur.com/m54f1PP.png

Turret Upgrades
http://i.imgur.com/74XiXIX.png

Were there any stats available through the market on the test server?

Inb4 rail rifle is op since Caldari arent allowed to have anything nice without everyone crying

RS-90 Combat Rifle

The Grind begins to have you in my arms at launch.

I guess most likely the Lv4 CR, hopefully with reduced fittings that can go well with my scout.

SR or CR - decisions decisions.

CCP - dont mess around

Well, if you want something with low fitting requirements, Scramblers are most definitely NOT the way to go

Well, if you want something with low fitting requirements, Scramblers are most definitely NOT the way to go

They could go insane with CR/RR fittings. But right now the plain Scrambler has the highest PG reqs of any regular weapon in the game.

Forge Gun
Sniper Rifle
Swarms

Hell, everything Caldari is pretty well off, lol.

They never said such. They said that the other races rifles would do one variation better than the others.

An example is that you will likely never see an assault variant of the plasma rifle because it is the premier assault variant out of the four race's rifles in terms of normalized engagement range, combat approach, and damage.

It's where DUST was operating through a lot of it's closed beta phase. And where they do a majority of tests for EVE online, and probably now DUST aswell.

Not quite Wolfy-boy, the Assault variant of the Blaster Rifle, currently named the Assault Rifle, is going to be the shortest ranged, highest damaged, most ganky-scouty combat role of them all, not the 'normalized' median. If anything the Combat Rifle will be a nice median as that is the role of the Projectile weapon; namely jack of all master of none. It's the one weapon I'm looking forward to to go with my Minmatar-iness.
If we do get a respec, oh well. If not, I have enough SP saved to V out Ops.

So if we are to believe the descriptions,

The Matari combat rifle is a single shot medium range rifle? (It also suggests it can stay out of the raneg of the AR)

The Caldari rail rifle is going to be a long range single shot high with a smaller clip.

Intresting, not exactly how I expect it all.

Combat rifle is going to be a burst rifle that doesnt suck, rail rifle is going to be a breach rifle that doesnt suck
Otherwise every races specialty but the gallente is going to be modified tactical rifles

I am calling it now.

Minmatar will have breach shotgun as their default variant. Double barrel trench gun.

(??? Edit: Probably for completing new tutorial)

Nope! :P

Also, stop stealing all our secrets from Sisi!

You have no power in eve.

(and probably will never have)

I am calling it now.

Minmatar will have breach shotgun as their default variant. Double barrel trench gun.

I agree with the double barrel, but I think it will be a high scatter SG with mire pellets per level.

Nope! :P

Also, stop stealing all our secrets from Sisi!

(...)'Praetorian VII' Madrugar
'Grayscale' Saga
'Nullarbor' Myron
'Logicloop' Scout M-I
'Remnant IX' Logistics mk.0
'Hellmar' Sentinel ak.0
'Tigris' Sentinel A-I
'Flying Scotsman' Assault ck.0
'Foxfour' Assault G-I
'Rattati' Assault G/1-Series
'Wolfman' Assault A/1-Series(...)

I'm guessing future rewards for faction loyalty in FW matches.

With looks like THIS im sure "she" does

Combat rifle is going to be a burst rifle that doesnt suck, rail rifle is going to be a breach rifle that doesnt suck
Otherwise every races specialty but the gallente is going to be modified tactical rifles

So I guess we are going to need respecs because they said that assault rifles were just place holders for for the combat and rail rifle types.

Almost, but not quite. The scrambler rifle is the tactical rifle that does suck.

Then each race is going to get a "mimic" version of the other races version.
So Amarr will get a breach and burst scrambler rifle (we already have the assault and our base is tactical)
Minmatar will get a breach combat rifle, assault combat rifle, and tactical combat rifle, and their base is burst.
Caldari will get an assault rail rifle, burst rail rifle, and tactical rail rifle, and their base is breach
Gallente already have all their variants, but the range will probably get lowered to be more in-line with hybrid-plasma weapons.

No, the assault rifles are gallente make up. Combat rifles should be minmatar, and rail rifles should be caldari.

Each different "version" of the assault rifle is gallente's attempt at mimicking the other nations weaponry. Breach rifle is trying to compete in close range against the rail rifle. tact rifle is trying to compete with the LR. Assault rifle is trying to compete with the CR. So basically the "jack of all trades but master of none"

Or at least...... that's what CCP said a while back. Maybe im wrong and CR's are supposed to take over Assault rifles but that would seem kind of silly honestly...... Cuz I thought they were trying to add content, not take it away?

No, the assault rifles are gallente make up. Combat rifles should be minmatar, and rail rifles should be caldari.

Each different "version" of the assault rifle is gallente's attempt at mimicking the other nations weaponry. Breach rifle is trying to compete in close range against the rail rifle. tact rifle is trying to compete with the LR. Assault rifle is trying to compete with the CR. So basically the "jack of all trades but master of none"

Or at least...... that's what CCP said a while back. Maybe im wrong and CR's are supposed to take over Assault rifles but that would seem kind of silly honestly...... Cuz I thought they were trying to add content, not take it away?

Well hold the phone there friend. Amar already has two varients of light weapons though. The LR and SR. What could they possibly do about the LR to give it variations? Perhaps there going to get different range types so that different laser rifles are better at different ranges?

Here's how it works, CCP has weapon classes. Each race will get one of that class, so each class has 4 weapons. The main weapon class is what I call "frontline rifles" but CCP may call something else. This is each nation's standard grade rifle. They are the Gallente Assault Rifle (probably get renamed), Combat Rifle, Rail Rifle, and Scrambler Rifle.

Another weapon class that we know the full set of is the pistol weapon class, which contains the Amarr Scrambler Pistol, Minmatar Flaylock Pistol, Gallente Ion Pistol, Caldari Bolt Pistol.

There is also a submachine gun weapon class of which we only know two so far, the Minmatar SMG (probably get renamed) and Caldari Magsec SMG. Amarr and Gallente TBA.

There's a light AV weapon class of which we know two, Caldari Swarm Launcher and Gallente Plasma Cannon. Amarr and Minmatar TBA.

There is a sniper rifle weapon class of which we know two, Caldari Sniper Rifle (again, probably get renamed) and Minmatar Precision Rifle. Amarr and Gallente TBA.

And then there's the knife class, shotgun class, etc. The Laser Rifle I am not too sure of what class it is (and I'll admit when I don't know something), but I know it is definitely not in any of the previously mentioned classes. My guess is it's part of a Special/Support weapon class along with the Minmatar Mass Driver and Caldari and Gallente versions TBA.

Look buddy, I'll be honest, I have way too much time on my hands. Trust me, I know this stuff

reading this, frustrates me even more. where is this stuff!?

Nope! :P

Also, stop stealing all our secrets from Sisi!

Buried deep in the forums never to be seen again, MWAHAHAHAHA

No to be honest if you gave me enough time I could probably find all my sources for what I said above, but it would take awhile. CCP devs have this strange habit of posting news and major details for how the game works in the middle of mega threads so no one can find them.

Nope! :P

Also, stop stealing all our secrets from Sisi!